Did the Code Of Conduct change?

Goregram1 · August 13

Ive been forced to change my names that were less sexual then calling yourself SEXY but when i reported it the response said to action was taken. can i get sum free name changes if so id like my funny goofy names back. or like what's going on?

SilverBride · August 13

If a name was changed for being inappropriate then it is very doubtful that they will provide free name change tokens to change them back to the same names again.

Goregram1 · August 13

SilverBride wrote: »

If a name was changed for being inappropriate then it is very doubtful that they will provide free name change tokens to change them back to the same names again.

the names were less inappropriate then calling yourself sexy. so did the code of conduct change or something?

PeacefulAnarchy · August 13

Goregram1 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

If a name was changed for being inappropriate then it is very doubtful that they will provide free name change tokens to change them back to the same names again.

the names were less inappropriate then calling yourself sexy. so did the code of conduct change or something?

According to you, not necessarily ZOS. Or maybe just the customer service agents were different.

SilverBride · August 13

I don't think the code of conduct changed. Maybe someone reported your names and they hadn't been aware of them before this. Also "less inappropriate" is still inappropriate.

Tandor · August 13

"Less inappropriate" is a subjective view, your posts are meaningless without telling us what the names were.

Vonnegut2506 · August 13

He can't tell us the names because then he would cross the line into talking about punishment on the forums which would then get him more punishment. It's the ZOS forum Catch-22: you can't complain about overly strict rules, or you get hit by an overly strict rule.

LadyGP · August 13

Tandor wrote: »

"Less inappropriate" is a subjective view, your posts are meaningless without telling us what the names were.

Saving you a lot of trouble and frustration - don't engage.. it's not worth it.

JustLovely · August 13

The CoC is not enforced uniformly or with any kind of consistency. Earlier this week I reported two people for spamming real life politics for half an hour in zone chat. ZOS said neither case was a CoC violation even though section 2.8 of the CoC clearly states real world politics and religion are not to be discussed. Apparently ZOS has an opinion on the matter and if you choose the right side of the political divide everything's just fine and dandy and not a CoC violation.

SilverBride · August 13

There is a simple solution. Don't make names that are questionable. Most "funny" names really aren't.

StackonClown · August 13

Some harmless names are funny though.

I see a lot of 'former Emperior' type names

WaywardArgonian · August 13

The actions taken in regard to names have always been wildly inconsistent, and I've seen people get forced name changes for the most harmless ones. But then you go to Vivec City and it takes only a few minutes to spot several names that technically violate TOS.

The only pattern there is that you are more likely to get a forced name change if you play a lot of PVP because there is a higher chance that someone salty will report you.

spartaxoxo · August 13

I am not officially affiliated with this company in anyway or capacity. However, I did used to be a moderator for another company.

I can't speak to what the mods may or may not have seen in your individual claims or the name you have omitted in the opening post. But I figured I could give my perspective more generally.

What I can say is that this kind of thing was usually done on a case by case basis.
The idea of these rules was generally to ensure that any minors on these games would not come across anything too explicit rather than attempting to ban any and all romantic references. So the type of stuff you'd see in modern typical PG -13 movies would be okay but not raunchy r-rated comedies.

That was for a completely different game so I can't speak to the standards for this game. But I wouldn't be surprised if they were similar as I have noticed that seems to be pretty common across the industry.

BagOfBadgers · August 13

As someone who was suspended for 3 days as 5 names needed to be changed I get the “huh, i’ve seen NPC’s say worse and yet…….”

So mine were, body fluids x2 (neither of a sexual or scatological nature ), miss spelling (we think), body parts (again we think) and the incorrect use of a Bidet (again we think).

So the names broke ToS, not a problem, that’s on me for some but others seemed arbitrary. I say “we think” because if you ask what part of what name was the problem, you’ll only ever get told that you broke the ToS, but not how. (Side note, the words I used that were problematic are used by NPC’s and even OK on here but not as a name. Further side note, the words I used and much, much worse, are still able to be used by anyone else to make a Toon name, which is a bit naught ZoS).

There’s a reason why many Toons in game are named “Approved Name” and the like, can’t think why…….?

Anyho To the OP, it sucks, nothing you can do, ZoS will always ZoS. Don’t let the Fun Police & Fun Sponges on here dictate your enjoyment. We all share the same world and it’s ZoS that has the final say on it!

AND NO, I’m not putting any names on here to be judged by the perfect ones…..

SilverBride · August 14

As much as I dislike names that refer to body parts or functions, etc. (I find them immature) I have to agree that they are inconsistent in how these names are dealt with.

Here is an example of how they didn't even follow their own naming rules:

When I was naming my second character after launch I had to alter the spelling of her name because of 4 letters in a row that they found offensive. So I had to add an extra "n" to break up those letters and make it Annalyssa. Yet there is a prominent NPC in game named Vanus Galerion.

spartaxoxo · August 14

SilverBride wrote: »

As much as I dislike names that refer to body parts or functions, etc. (I find them immature) I have to agree that they are inconsistent in how these names are dealt with.

Here is an example of how they didn't even follow their own naming rules:

When I was naming my second character after launch I had to alter the spelling of her name because of 4 letters in a row that they found offensive. So I had to add an extra "n" to break up those letters and make it Annalyssa. Yet there is a prominent NPC in game named Vanus Galerion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem

That's less about them being inconsistent in enforcement and more a known and basically impossible to completely avoid issue with the automation process.

I'm not saying they're the most consistent but just saying that this particular example is a good example of this problem.

SilverBride · August 14

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

As much as I dislike names that refer to body parts or functions, etc. (I find them immature) I have to agree that they are inconsistent in how these names are dealt with.

Here is an example of how they didn't even follow their own naming rules:

When I was naming my second character after launch I had to alter the spelling of her name because of 4 letters in a row that they found offensive. So I had to add an extra "n" to break up those letters and make it Annalyssa. Yet there is a prominent NPC in game named Vanus Galerion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem

That's less about them being inconsistent in enforcement and more a known and basically impossible to completely avoid issue with the automation process.

I'm not saying they're the most consistent but just saying that this particular example is a good example of this problem.

Why did the automation process block the original spelling of my name, which I hadn't even realized what it was until it wouldn't let me use it, but allowed a very similar string of letters for the NPC? NPCs should have to follow the same guidelines as players.

spartaxoxo · August 14

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

As much as I dislike names that refer to body parts or functions, etc. (I find them immature) I have to agree that they are inconsistent in how these names are dealt with.

Here is an example of how they didn't even follow their own naming rules:

When I was naming my second character after launch I had to alter the spelling of her name because of 4 letters in a row that they found offensive. So I had to add an extra "n" to break up those letters and make it Annalyssa. Yet there is a prominent NPC in game named Vanus Galerion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem

That's less about them being inconsistent in enforcement and more a known and basically impossible to completely avoid issue with the automation process.

I'm not saying they're the most consistent but just saying that this particular example is a good example of this problem.

Why did the automation process block the original spelling of my name, which I hadn't even realized what it was until it wouldn't let me use it, but allowed a very similar string of letters for the NPC? NPCs should have to follow the same guidelines as players.

Because they can manually determine the npc name is not offensive but players have automated restrictions since it not humanly possible for them to manually review every player name prior to submission.

They don't want players using the curse word. They don't have a problem with some innocent words that happen to contain the same spelling. But, they don't have a good way for the automated tools to tell when someone is deliberately hiding a bad word to get around swear words without banning innocent ones too. They do the best they can but that's the gist of that article which answers this question in greater depth.

Vulkunne · August 14

You know, you *could* always just send in a ticket and ask ZOS if your name is cool and all. Otherwise no you never know who might report or what might happen. Cause there are people who will send in things both justified and unjustified about other players.

Not telling anyone to do or not do anything other than to abide by TOS and any underlying laws associated with that. But I had this issue a while back and ZOS has green-lit most of my prefer'd names. Just in case. This goes for other things as well. Yeah... we ready. As they say.

AlienatedGoat · August 15

Goregram1 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

If a name was changed for being inappropriate then it is very doubtful that they will provide free name change tokens to change them back to the same names again.

the names were less inappropriate then calling yourself sexy. so did the code of conduct change or something?

If they were less inappropriate, why did you report them?

Lagzee · 3:11AM

Heres a good rule of thumb for you. When naming characters, talking in game, or talking on the forums, try to view everything you write through the eyes of a 10 year old.

You may think thats silly, considering this is a rate M game (rated that way due to "intense content like blood and gore, sexual themes, violence") but unfortunately thats the way zos have always treated their players. And the way they have made their AI treat their players.

And a small minority of players actually like this, and are constantly reporting everyone for every possible thing. So like i said, best to pretend everything you're saying is meant to be read by a 10 year old and you should, hopefully, avoid running into problems. Although, speaking from my own experiences, even that is sometimes not enough. But thats the best advice i can give.