How many Unformed Planar Keys is too many?

o_Primate_o · August 11

I'm at 22 (maybe 25) and counting. I just do a round of favors on one or two toons per day for the heck of it. I hope the drops or the gameplay in the Nowhere Vault are good or engaging.

SerafinaWaterstar · August 11

I think you might have some of mine.

agelonestar · August 11

The system says I have 10. My inventory says 7. I fear I may have inadvertently sold (or something) a few of mine. It's irritating that they can be removed like that.

Either that or there's a bug.

tmbrinks · August 11

agelonestar wrote: »

The system says I have 10. My inventory says 7. I fear I may have inadvertently sold (or something) a few of mine. It's irritating that they can be removed like that.

Either that or there's a bug.

If you're referring to the challenge counting to 10, yes, there's a bug when you bank them that it counts it again, so you don't need to actually loot 10 of them in order to complete the challenge.

oddarin · August 11

There were lot of discussion on drop chances already, but I wish to add my twopenn'orth to them. Today I've got two Weekly Challenges - 'open 6 locks' (10 times) and 'open 1 thieves trove' (also 10 times), so 60 locks and 10 troves in general. I've completed them, opened 60 overland treasure chests and found 10 troves. How many keys do I got from it? Aww, the shiniest, the most generous ZERO. Seriously, if it'll keep going that way, I'm afraid that barely noone could appreciate Nowhere Vault when it'll be released just because they'll simply couldnt afford themselves enough attempts to run it.

agelonestar · August 11

@tmbrinks I v much appreciate that insight - I have to be honest, I was wondering how the heck I got to 10, and how I'd have been so stupid as to lose 3.

Maybe I'm not going mad after all!!

Thanks

starkerealm · August 11

oddarin wrote: »

Seriously, if it'll keep going that way, I'm afraid that barely noone could appreciate Nowhere Vault when it'll be released just because they'll simply couldnt afford themselves enough attempts to run it.

If you do the Freerunner dailies, you get a key at 10 days, and another at 20 (at which point the daily shuts down.) So you can get a total of 6 keys per character. (The cache payouts are nice, regardless.)

oddarin · August 11

starkerealm wrote: »

If you do the Freerunner dailies, you get a key at 10 days, and another at 20 (at which point the daily shuts down.) So you can get a total of 6 keys per character. (The cache payouts are nice, regardless.)

I know that and got mine 6 keys already. But it is not the point - except for these guaranteed drops, drop from other resources goes with awful chances and I dont think that so many people wishes to grind Favours with their toons for days to get couple additional guarandeed keys. And there people said that Night Market's keys were hard to get...

DenverRalphy · August 11

I'm relatively confident the drop rate on the keys will be increased when the Nowhere Vault goes Live.

starkerealm · August 11

oddarin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

If you do the Freerunner dailies, you get a key at 10 days, and another at 20 (at which point the daily shuts down.) So you can get a total of 6 keys per character. (The cache payouts are nice, regardless.)

I know that and got mine 6 keys already. But it is not the point - except for these guaranteed drops, drop from other resources goes with awful chances and I dont think that so many people wishes to grind Favours with their toons for days to get couple additional guarandeed keys. And there people said that Night Market's keys were hard to get...

The best part is that keys have a hidden level value. Meaning, if you get one on a low level character, it won't stack with ones you got on a level 50.

Jimbru · August 11

I have seven unformed keys. Six that I got from the Freerunner daily quest chains, and one that I THINK I got from somewhere in the thief story line. So far as I know, I haven't gotten any from the supposed other sources. Same with the leads for the thief armory station; I've been actively seeking thief troves and yet to find a lead from one, only from the heists.

ellmarie · August 11

Wow that's alot of keys! I was wondering this as well though. I have 9 one character and 3 on another. I haven't really been trying for them anymore. I'm assuming we need them for the next questline.

ESO_player123 · August 11

ellmarie wrote: »

Wow that's alot of keys! I was wondering this as well though. I have 9 one character and 3 on another. I haven't really been trying for them anymore. I'm assuming we need them for the next questline.

No, we need them for the Nowhere Vault that is coming with the next update.

Elvenheart · August 11

oddarin wrote: »

There were lot of discussion on drop chances already, but I wish to add my twopenn'orth to them. Today I've got two Weekly Challenges - 'open 6 locks' (10 times) and 'open 1 thieves trove' (also 10 times), so 60 locks and 10 troves in general. I've completed them, opened 60 overland treasure chests and found 10 troves. How many keys do I got from it? Aww, the shiniest, the most generous ZERO. Seriously, if it'll keep going that way, I'm afraid that barely noone could appreciate Nowhere Vault when it'll be released just because they'll simply couldnt afford themselves enough attempts to run it.

oddarin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

If you do the Freerunner dailies, you get a key at 10 days, and another at 20 (at which point the daily shuts down.) So you can get a total of 6 keys per character. (The cache payouts are nice, regardless.)

I know that and got mine 6 keys already. But it is not the point - except for these guaranteed drops, drop from other resources goes with awful chances and I dont think that so many people wishes to grind Favours with their toons for days to get couple additional guarandeed keys. And there people said that Night Market's keys were hard to get...

I’ve been playing frequently since keys were supposed to first start dropping, and I have not gotten a single drop. The only keys I’ve got are the ones from doing the favors, and I’ve only done them on one character so I have six keys total. After we enter the Nowhere Vault, it will take one key to unlock a room, and then another key to unlock a chest inside the room if we want to use a key for the extra loot. I really really hope the drop chance for these keys go up. They are supposed to drop in the new solo dungeons and I think I’ll be doing them a lot so maybe I’ll get some that way.

James-Wayne · August 11

Well you need 3 to enter the Nowhere Vault so you only have enough for a few runs so I'd say keep collecting

SilverBride · August 12

I don't understand why we need keys to open rooms and chests in dungeons. And 3 keys just to enter? That is extremely unreasonable in my opinion. I'm not going to spend all my time farming keys for any content.

kind_hero · August 12

You have been very busy... I only have one! I got it from Lady Arabele's daily, after doing 10 quests. I am not sure how I will get 9 more, or enough to try that vault...

(Oh, and I did a share of dynamic events, troves hunting etc)

Nemesis7884 · August 12

how do you even find them? I ever only found 1 from looking in troves and treasure chests....

Soarora · August 12

I come from PTS with a non-spoiler answer. That sounds about right.

And thankfully, the rewards are really good.

James-Wayne · August 12

Soarora wrote: »

I come from PTS with a non-spoiler answer. That sounds about right.

And thankfully, the rewards are really good.

I've also played on PTS and rewards are debatable on good.

Mind you I'm a 12 year player who has mostly everything so good to me will need to be new.

AzuraFan · August 12

I only have six keys from favours, even though I play daily. If I have to constantly grind for keys to explore the Nowhere Vault, I'll be reconsidering my time here.

There's so little content being released now. They gated aspects of the Night Market behind keys, making people grind for access. Now they're gating the vault behind keys. Does ZOS want people to play this game, or what?

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I'm relatively confident the drop rate on the keys will be increased when the Nowhere Vault goes Live.

So how's it going to work? Grind for keys. Do the Nowhere Vault until you run out. Grind for keys. Do the Nowhere Vault until you run out. Grind for keys...

Sounds like fun. And makes me wonder if ZOS is serious about the longevity of this game.

Dojohoda · August 12

I have 12 from doing favors on two characters. Despite having picked up many of the other potential drop nodes, nothing!

Anyway, twenty-something keys sounds really good!

Arunei · August 12

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

how do you even find them? I ever only found 1 from looking in troves and treasure chests....

Currently they're supposed to be dropping from Delve and World Bosses, Favor, DEs, Thieves' related stuff like Thieves Troves and Safeboxes (and i assume Pickpocketing and Heists), while U51 is supposed to add them to the Solo Dungeons I believe and Rumors.

The drop rate on them currently being atrocious hasn't been addressed afaik since @ZOS_Kevin mentioned passing word of it on to the devs. Is there any news on this? They're supposed to be uncommon, not rarer than a snowball in Red Mountain.

Soarora · August 12

James-Wayne wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

I come from PTS with a non-spoiler answer. That sounds about right.

And thankfully, the rewards are really good.

I've also played on PTS and rewards are debatable on good.

Mind you I'm a 12 year player who has mostly everything so good to me will need to be new.

I mean, the gear sets are pretty lame but getting rare trait materials and an abundance of tradeable leads (especially furnishings that someone could want multiples of) is pretty exciting.

AzuraFan wrote: »

I only have six keys from favours, even though I play daily. If I have to constantly grind for keys to explore the Nowhere Vault, I'll be reconsidering my time here.

There's so little content being released now. They gated aspects of the Night Market behind keys, making people grind for access. Now they're gating the vault behind keys. Does ZOS want people to play this game, or what?

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I'm relatively confident the drop rate on the keys will be increased when the Nowhere Vault goes Live.

So how's it going to work? Grind for keys. Do the Nowhere Vault until you run out. Grind for keys. Do the Nowhere Vault until you run out. Grind for keys...

Sounds like fun. And makes me wonder if ZOS is serious about the longevity of this game.

You can’t really do it until you run out, it’s not like infinite archive. You have to let the instance reset once you’ve gone through it. I think ~25 would be a good starting number but I think you’d need minimum 15 to do a run through of the entire thing in one sitting. Only 5 to do a run through of one segment in one sitting. And you get some during the run.

I’m also team “they’ll buff the drop rates”. I don’t think it’ll be scribing ink cheap though.

Taucheranzug · August 12

Haven't found a single one so far. OK, I still haven't completed the 10th favor quests (let alone the 20th), but people say they're also dropping from World Bosses, DEs and such. Can't confirm that unfortunately...

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phileunderx2 · August 13

Only ones I've seen so far are from favors.
I farm treasure chests pretty often and can open 200 to 300 a week and so far nothing.

DoofusMax · August 13

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Only ones I've seen so far are from favors.
I farm treasure chests pretty often and can open 200 to 300 a week and so far nothing.

My suspicion, unconfirmed by anyone at ZOS (hint-hint, ZOS) is that keys currently drop from the two (six) Favors missions and very rarely from Thieves Troves and maybe DEs and/or Heists. I've only picked them up from Troves and maybe one Safebox (had to launder it, but don't recall which) and they are not currently in the loot pools for Treasure Chests or other currently available activities. Other activities (Delve/World Bosses, Rumors, Nowhere Vault (which may also be a variant of delve/world boss loot pool), Solo Dungeons, etc.) are not in-game yet, so their loot pools aren't, either. I pick them up with reasonable frequency on PTS, however, so "it gets better" seems to be the way it's going. Save your Treasure Maps until U51 if you're going to farm those.

tohopka_eso · August 13

I'm still at 4. ☹️

L_Nici · August 13

I haven't got a single one, playing daily doing the favours and other things.

o_Primate_o · August 17

i'm at about 35 now. luckily if you get only a few you can run the vault with someone who has a key so you can get many more runs than you have keys.

most of my keys have been coming from the favors, but i've gotten four or five from troves or chests (yes, very low drop rate but at least you can run the vault with ppl who have a key!)

three toons have done 20 favors and about five have done 10 favors. it usually takes 10-15 minutes to knock them out so i'll do a quick run once in a while.

o_Primate_o · August 17

L_Nici wrote: »

I haven't got a single one, playing daily doing the favours and other things.

10th and 20th favor (same toon, same benefactor) = two keys. once you get to the 20th on that toon+benefactor there's no more favors so switch toons. i was doing favors on five toons a day for a while there.

hyperioxes has an incomplete page that can help you track where you are at on each benefactor.

Progress: Each board features a fixed sequential list of 20 distinct tasks (such as defeating delve/world bosses, scouting, gathering, or fetching items). Once you finish all 20, that specific board stops offering new tasks.

Frequency: You can complete one Favor per board, per character, per day. You can work on multiple faction storylines simultaneously.