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Please Stop Making Antiquity Leads Dependent on Trial Groups
Valkanos
Soul Shriven
Hey there,
For some reason my leads have been failing for two days straight on MoL. To get these leads I need to collect Nightwing Besagew and/or Darkheart Leather which requires me to complete MoL trial. Unfortunately every group i’ve joined has failed at beating the first boss with various reasons including not knowing the mechanics and just flat out being disinterested in learning how to play. This means that instead of farming leads I’m stuck wasting my time playing through this content over and over again hoping that maybe one of those bosses will drop a lead sometime soon… and if they don’t I guess Ill try joining another group.
The part that really frustrates me right now is that I’d love to be able to farm for these leads (something I’m sure many others would as well), but whether or not you can farm for the lead depends on the performance, knowledge and willingness of others players. Please don’t implement antiquity leads this way going forward, let’s all farm our leads however we choose without having to rely on others!
None of us are against challenges, nor is anyone adverse to grouping up with people if they want to, but it shouldn’t come down to depending on others to even get a shot at some antiquity leads.
There’s nothing wrong with an extremely rare lead (or one requiring a challenging activity), but being forced to rely solely on group activities to obtain said lead seems less than ideal.
I hope what I’ve outlined here can be taken into account when designing future Antiquity systems.
Thank you
For some reason my leads have been failing for two days straight on MoL. To get these leads I need to collect Nightwing Besagew and/or Darkheart Leather which requires me to complete MoL trial. Unfortunately every group i’ve joined has failed at beating the first boss with various reasons including not knowing the mechanics and just flat out being disinterested in learning how to play. This means that instead of farming leads I’m stuck wasting my time playing through this content over and over again hoping that maybe one of those bosses will drop a lead sometime soon… and if they don’t I guess Ill try joining another group.
The part that really frustrates me right now is that I’d love to be able to farm for these leads (something I’m sure many others would as well), but whether or not you can farm for the lead depends on the performance, knowledge and willingness of others players. Please don’t implement antiquity leads this way going forward, let’s all farm our leads however we choose without having to rely on others!
None of us are against challenges, nor is anyone adverse to grouping up with people if they want to, but it shouldn’t come down to depending on others to even get a shot at some antiquity leads.
There’s nothing wrong with an extremely rare lead (or one requiring a challenging activity), but being forced to rely solely on group activities to obtain said lead seems less than ideal.
I hope what I’ve outlined here can be taken into account when designing future Antiquity systems.
Thank you
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Renato90085✭✭✭✭✭
✭trial lead is 100% drop
you can try normal trial,this is easy and nothing need to know4 -
YffresTrill✭✭✭✭Renato90085 wrote: »trial lead is 100% drop
you can try normal trial,this is easy and nothing need to know
If this is true, then why did it take me about 30 runs of Sunspire to get the Dov-rha lead from there? Is this a recent change?@ Yffre'sTrill - PC/EU (No Steam)0 -
ValkanosSoul Shriven
Does doing the trial on Normal really change the fact that we still need other players? What if no one wants to run MoL and everyone wants to do something else? How am I supposed to get my leads then?Renato90085 wrote: »trial lead is 100% drop
you can try normal trial,this is easy and nothing need to know
Edited by Valkanos on 8 August 2026 10:453 -
Thoriorz✭✭✭✭
Does doing the trial on Normal really change the fact that we still need other players? What if no one wants to run MoL and everyone wants to do something else? How am I supposed to get my leads then?Renato90085 wrote: »trial lead is 100% drop
you can try normal trial,this is easy and nothing need to know
There are also vendors in IA and IC. If you're looking for a specific Lead, the wait might be long, but it's still an option—you never know, maybe they'll have the Lead you want in stock this week or next!PCEU1 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YffresTrill wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »trial lead is 100% drop
you can try normal trial,this is easy and nothing need to know
If this is true, then why did it take me about 30 runs of Sunspire to get the Dov-rha lead from there? Is this a recent change?
The particular leads the OP is asking about from MoL are guaranteed drops for the first lead.
@Valkanos If you're on PSNA I can point you to a few guilds you can join that can ensure you clear MoL.Edited by DenverRalphy on 8 August 2026 12:531 -
YffresTrill✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »YffresTrill wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »trial lead is 100% drop
you can try normal trial,this is easy and nothing need to know
If this is true, then why did it take me about 30 runs of Sunspire to get the Dov-rha lead from there? Is this a recent change?
The particular leads the OP is asking about from MoL are guaranteed drops for the first lead.
@Valkanos If you're on PSNA I can point you to a few guilds you can join that can ensure you clear MoL.
Ah, I see, thank you.
I wonder if this means that with the lead sourcing changes coming with the next patch (old lead RNG being changed to match up with newer, and the second and third drops being the same as the first drop) all trial leads will now be guaranteed until the codex is complete? I really hope this will be the case, as this would eliminate a lot of frustration.@ Yffre'sTrill - PC/EU (No Steam)1 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YffresTrill wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »YffresTrill wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »trial lead is 100% drop
you can try normal trial,this is easy and nothing need to know
If this is true, then why did it take me about 30 runs of Sunspire to get the Dov-rha lead from there? Is this a recent change?
The particular leads the OP is asking about from MoL are guaranteed drops for the first lead.
@Valkanos If you're on PSNA I can point you to a few guilds you can join that can ensure you clear MoL.
Ah, I see, thank you.
I wonder if this means that with the lead sourcing changes coming with the next patch (old lead RNG being changed to match up with newer, and the second and third drops being the same as the first drop) all trial leads will now be guaranteed until the codex is complete? I really hope this will be the case, as this would eliminate a lot of frustration.
I believe that's the plan. Though they weren't 100% clear beyond saying that 2nd and 3rd lead acquisitions would receive the same odds as 1st lead acquisition. It got kinda fuzzy though where they stand on whether the odds of 1st lead acquisition would be standardized across all leads.
Edited by DenverRalphy on 8 August 2026 13:430 -
GeneralGrundmann✭✭✭✭Didn't they something like they would change older drop rates do be more in line with the newer drop rates?0
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LootAllTheStuff✭✭✭✭✭GeneralGrundmann wrote: »Didn't they something like they would change older drop rates do be more in line with the newer drop rates?
They did, although I wasn't sure whether they were referring to West Weald, Solstice, or Night Market rates (Are they the same or different? They feel different, but perhaps that's because of the 2nd/3rd lead issue).0 -
Treeshka✭✭✭✭✭
✭They said they will change the drop rates of old leads to the new ones. Like the lead from Dragonstar Arena will be guaranteed for example. They also said that until you collect all codex entries, they will keep dropping with the same chance.0
