Oakensoul Ring Rebalance

Angnos · July 29

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Or, someone like me just want people from random pug to have at least something easy going for them as bare minimum so that they don't immediately leave from random dungeon queuing us into DLC dungeon. Because this game is not some e-sports game where everyone competes for some millions of dollar for their button mashing skills, there's really no need for the adversity against those who want use it. Or switch up things to try it from time to time.

I never said that people should stop using it. 100K is enough for 99% of the content you are doing. The only time you run into a wall is when you do the latest trial hard modes. And your reaction is exactly the problem I brought up. You and others see Oakensoul as a magical item that suddenly gives you immense power the moment you equip it. But when you see people using those builds in RND and PUG trials, they never hit their max potential because they do everything except use the build correctly. The ring gives you buffs, yes, but it doesn't give you the brains or experience to play the game well.

So please, if you are not disabled, go for an Arcanist build, for example. You only press four or maybe five buttons, and thanks to the class mastery, it becomes really powerful and easy with all the Crux generation and heavy beam usage. Yes, you have to bar swap, but most of the time you are beaming anyway. And you will do more damage than an Oakensoul build in group combat. Also using a controller can help you out with doing damage.

OsUfi · July 29

BretonMage wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

What on earth do you need more than 100k DPS for?

Kill things quickly before they have a chance to kill you 😁

I mean, sure, but really how is that an issue for current Oakensoul users? What are we struggling with doing 100k dps?

tomofhyrule · July 29

Again, a lot of these arguments seem to be of the form “I am unable to play because of my disabilities, so therefore I need to be competitive with the highest end.”

Let’s use a different disability as the example:
“I need a wheelchair for mobility.” Perfectly valid. You should have one.
“Usain Bolt made 27.7 mph in one race! Therefore my wheelchair should be able to get to at least 25 mph!” Uhhh… that’s asking a bit much. The average running speed for people is closer to 8 mph. You should not be comparing against the highest of the high end. That’s just as inaccessible for normal people.
“They’re not allowing my motorized wheelchair in this footrace!” That is understandable. Fortunately, there are wheelchairs designed for athletics that you can use instead, why not use those?

It is fully expected that able-bodied people need to change their skill/gear setup to run content. It is fully expected that able-bodied people practice their rotations and watch timers to maximize their damage. And many players with disabilities have also gotten their trifectas by practicing their builds and running appropriate sets. “I need Oakensoul!” should not be a get-out-of-training-free card.

I do think that ESO could benefit from an accessibility option like WOW (I think it was WOW) just added where it will light attack automatically. Maybe something where you can turn it on and your character will just light attack on a 1 sec cooldown or so, and then all the player needs to do is activate skills. That would help a lot of the “I can’t weave or play a high APM build!” issues. Hopefully the refreshes also bring more “while slotted on either bar” skills as well to make one-bar builds with a backbar of dead skills for buffs more viable.

But Oakensoul is not intended to be, nor should it be, a gear piece that makes you into the top 0.1% without building or practicing towards that.

Wuuffyy · July 29

Just saying things at this point I would assume? You think they don’t do everything possible to ‘cheese’ and OS parse?

You think that top-end OS parses aren’t done with ‘parsing food’, opening up with an ult, and more???

Renato90085 · July 29

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Just saying things at this point I would assume? You think they don’t do everything possible to ‘cheese’ and OS parse?

You think that top-end OS parses aren’t done with ‘parsing food’, opening up with an ult, and more???

no,i mean did you see anytime oaken player parse use pre proc or ult/summon pet to add more 10-15k dps in dummy

Wuuffyy · July 29

Renato90085 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Just saying things at this point I would assume? You think they don’t do everything possible to ‘cheese’ and OS parse?

You think that top-end OS parses aren’t done with ‘parsing food’, opening up with an ult, and more???

no,i mean did you see anytime oaken player parse use pre proc or ult/summon pet to add more 10-15k dps in dummy

What are you even trying to say?

All top-end parses are ‘cheesed’ to a certain degree; this includes OakenSoul parses as well.

Even furthering my point that someone pulling 110k is unlikely to actually even do that much damage in actual fights.

Renato90085 · July 29

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Renato90085 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Just saying things at this point I would assume? You think they don’t do everything possible to ‘cheese’ and OS parse?

You think that top-end OS parses aren’t done with ‘parsing food’, opening up with an ult, and more???

no,i mean did you see anytime oaken player parse use pre proc or ult/summon pet to add more 10-15k dps in dummy

What are you even trying to say?

All top-end parses are ‘cheesed’ to a certain degree; this includes OakenSoul parses as well.

Even furthering my point that someone pulling 110k is unlikely to actually even do that much damage in actual fights.

This part is wrong..
my no pre buff nb parse is 175-180k(lucky for crit or not)
the top 0.1% player no pre buff nb can hit 185k+,if pre can hit 200.

and same build only swap mystic to oaken parse,still can hit 132k-135k
if i swap to dark mer(in nb dummy parse,the crit dmg cap so khajiit not have 3rd passive) no pre buff oakn can hit 137k-139k(258wd=5~7k dps in dummy)

and pre buff maybe can add more dps in this build,but i not have pre gear in PTS/only pre buff in real content hardmode

this is just a simple math problem
if your build not the HA build, and trying use oaken is give up meta mystic(warmask 15%) and back bar arena gear buff(for nb/necro/sorc...etc direct dmg class ,is 12%direct dmg loss),and a little dot dmg .
15%+12% and some dot/ 452 wd glyph not have 50%
and if you are not HA, oaken not give you anything in dummy/real group content(0% dps add )
my friend bash necro meta parse is 198k,use oaken is 143k,the corpsebuster/necro skill/null arca all is direct dmg and it is necro main dmg from
It didn't lose half(100k+) its output; among top players the difference is only about 40-50k damage(25-30%).
not to mention other builds that suffer less(vma bow/staff)

Wuuffyy · July 29

Renato90085 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Renato90085 wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Just saying things at this point I would assume? You think they don’t do everything possible to ‘cheese’ and OS parse?

You think that top-end OS parses aren’t done with ‘parsing food’, opening up with an ult, and more???

no,i mean did you see anytime oaken player parse use pre proc or ult/summon pet to add more 10-15k dps in dummy

What are you even trying to say?

All top-end parses are ‘cheesed’ to a certain degree; this includes OakenSoul parses as well.

Even furthering my point that someone pulling 110k is unlikely to actually even do that much damage in actual fights.

This part is wrong..
my no pre buff nb parse is 175-180k(lucky for crit or not)
the top 0.1% player no pre buff nb can hit 185k+,if pre can hit 200.

and same build only swap mystic to oaken parse,still can hit 132k-135k
if i swap to dark mer(in nb dummy parse,the crit dmg cap so khajiit not have 3rd passive) no pre buff oakn can hit 137k-139k(258wd=5~7k dps in dummy)

and pre buff maybe can add more dps in this build,but i not have pre gear in PTS/only pre buff in real content hardmode

this is just a simple math problem
if your build not the HA build, and trying use oaken is give up meta mystic(warmask 15%) and back bar arena gear buff(for nb/necro/sorc...etc direct dmg class ,is 12%direct dmg loss),and a little dot dmg .
15%+12% and some dot/ 452 wd glyph not have 50%
and if you are not HA, oaken not give you anything in dummy/real group content(0% dps add )
my friend bash necro meta parse is 198k,use oaken is 143k,the corpsebuster/necro skill/null arca all is direct dmg and it is necro main dmg from
It didn't lose half(100k+) its output; among top players the difference is only about 40-50k damage(25-30%).
not to mention other builds that suffer less(vma bow/staff)

Okay (*sorry, missed the screenshots originally so missed context at first), so that’s definitely more than I thought (I appreciate the concrete proof). You are absolutely right on the money regarding OS being higher than I anticipated (repeated searches in various ways for me online was demonstrating 130k being the rough cap and I attributed that primarily to necro and maybe DK).

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However, even with the added context and mainly in the spirit of debating whether the classes and specs not poised to take advantage of mathematically incredible (for ESO) class masteries and class sets (tiny tangent: again Corpsebuster comes to mind simply because I do know that’s the highest parse I.E. around 205k+ best-of-the-best and necro being the top in this capacity has been verified by multiple posters I’ve seen today alone)… ‘not poised’ being those such as Templar- paraphrasing what a few other posters have mentioned:

-as reworks occur, skills become more bloated (which I personally think is fine). With this in conjunction with future mythic and sets (look at Signet for the most recent example) unnecessarily pushing the bar higher for the sake of ‘new thing to grind’, Oakensoul falls further and further out of relevance…

-this concept is exacerbated in a greater way given that we know certain masteries (such as NB) are also essentially ‘stat stims’ that will likely be relegated to the side lines as reworks are completed (in other words, big numbers become small numbers as full pure class works well again).

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Right now, with everything you and I have said, I still believe Oakensoul could gain Major Slayer (as an example) and the community would be better off for it- I believe that any ‘off-meta’ picks validate this greatly and that, over time, the gap between OS and non-Oakensoul will become even greater.

DenverRalphy · July 29

As someone who's had to work through playing with a disabling physical condition affecting my ability to use ESO's controls (I actually used it as a form of physical/rehabilitation therapy for a couple of years), I honestly believe the majority of the accessability/disability claims are largely overblown. I feel like the delicate nature of accessibility is all too often exploited as an excuse, because claimants are relatively confident others will be hesitant to contradict.

Oakensoul does not remove nor shave any physical manipulation from the player's physical game activity. With controller input, the single button click it removes is quite literally nullified by the fact that the same digit spends 100% of its time controlling the left joystick (which is the movement stick) if it's not tapping a d-pad button anyway. Any disability that blocks bar swapping on a controller would also significantly impact, if not outright block, the player's ability to move or drink potions. Keyboard players have the added advantage that the key can be remapped anywhere they see fit.

I would really like to see fewer players use accessibility to champion their cause. It's exploitive and in bad form.

BretonMage · July 29

tomofhyrule wrote: »

“Usain Bolt made 27.7 mph in one race! Therefore my wheelchair should be able to get to at least 25 mph!”

But Oakensoul is not intended to be, nor should it be, a gear piece that makes you into the top 0.1% without building or practicing towards that.

I'm sorry but all this sounds like elitism. Assuming Oakensoul users don't practise, for one, or trying to imply that it's pure skill and not gear that puts endgamers ahead of the rest. People aren't achieving 200K with bad gear, for example. A player in meta gear is not Usain freaking Bolt, it's John Gamer in meta gear.

If you gave a skilled, experienced player good gear, sure they would do better than a mediocre player with good gear, but at least good gear will give a mediocre player a chance. The last thing you want to be is a mediocre player with outdated gear.

In any case, again, OP wasn't asking for Oakensoul to be meta, just not so underperforming.

Hopefully the refreshes also bring more “while slotted on either bar” skills as well to make one-bar builds with a backbar of dead skills for buffs more viable.

Definitely agree with this.