Nerf WW (PvP) Immediately.
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CatalinaWineMixer2✭✭✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Im not implying anything. If you're taking it the wrong way, thats on you. No one calls for more nerfs than PvP. No one. Look at the 11 years of threads alone. And it has. Im against nerfs. And yes, the DK was my main character. And all that happened to it was constant calls for it to be nerfed for years. Just like now BTW. After the Warden came out, I chose that hoping the nerfs would stop. And what's happening to it now? Same thing. Its not a PvP or PvE issue, its a game breaking issue that has been going on for entirely too long. If its killing you in PvP, here comes the "It needs nerfed". And the Werewolf. Look at all of the calls for it to be ruined.
Subclassing is an absolute disaster. It never should have happened. Its caused more players to quit from our Guilds than anything in this game. And it still is because our characters are still ruined. And the reworks are only years away. And most of our characters have been ruined for over a year.Militan1404 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Yeah lol, hes making it up as it fits and then forgets about it. First he was a dk main then suddenly he forgetts and is a ww main. Hes just saying annything to keep hes crutches that he so desperately needs
Just because you dont like what im saying doesn't make it any less true.2 -
Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Militan1404 wrote: »Militan1404 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Yeah lol, hes making it up as it fits and then forgets about it. First he was a dk main then suddenly he forgetts and is a ww main. Hes just saying annything to keep hes crutches that he so desperately needs
He’s not even referring to me there (check his quote) plus:
“I have little to no issues killing the vast majority of werewolves on my server as a wolf, DK, and even a pure-class NB now (I do run S&B back bar and have shade, cloak, rally, mono).”
and
“I said I was multiple things (you can re-read above), my friend.”
You can ctrl+F either of those right now and find this (simply letting you know I have not said here I ‘main’ any specific thing or rather ‘I only play one thing’). This is somewhat like the person above that (paraphrasing) just said ‘only people that agree with me have a brain’. Because this is your ‘argument’. 0.o
No dont think i said you dont have a brain, i think i know exactly what your trying to do. Your trying to twist it so it seems ww is not OP and so under dog at all while dk is so OP. There is a reason WW is new think(other than everyone is kind of sick of dk), if dk was still the ultimate top dog then everyone would still be it and not sorc and ww.
Are you reading anything anyone posts here? Just trying to confirm. That last portion of that comment wasn’t even referencing you.
Werewolf is strong, but it doesn’t beat DK mathematically or even in practice. Any and all scenarios outside of this are absolutely a difference of skill (or gear) level on the DK, wolf, or both. DK comes out on top and both are reworked ‘classes’ that are leagues above non-reworked classes (and ergo if anything ‘MUST BE NERFED NOW’ it would either be DK, both, or none-of-the-above preferably). Since you aren’t reading these, it appears, just a reminder of what I said there (should be no surprise):
“(quick reminder that DK and wolf are the only reworked ‘classes’ as of right now, for reference)”
*unrelated but just remembered there is absolutely no kit-based crosshealing (so really, no healing) between werewolves either (so another thing I want to add to ‘things we can’t do that everyone else can’ list)Edited by Wuuffyy on 24 July 2026 05:30Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
ESO player since 2014 (Xbox and PC for PTS)
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✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Im not implying anything. If you're taking it the wrong way, thats on you. No one calls for more nerfs than PvP. No one. Look at the 11 years of threads alone. And it has. Im against nerfs. And yes, the DK was my main character. And all that happened to it was constant calls for it to be nerfed for years. Just like now BTW. After the Warden came out, I chose that hoping the nerfs would stop. And what's happening to it now? Same thing. Its not a PvP or PvE issue, its a game breaking issue that has been going on for entirely too long. If its killing you in PvP, here comes the "It needs nerfed". And the Werewolf. Look at all of the calls for it to be ruined.
Subclassing is an absolute disaster. It never should have happened. Its caused more players to quit from our Guilds than anything in this game. And it still is because our characters are still ruined. And the reworks are only years away. And most of our characters have been ruined for over a year.Militan1404 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Yeah lol, hes making it up as it fits and then forgets about it. First he was a dk main then suddenly he forgetts and is a ww main. Hes just saying annything to keep hes crutches that he so desperately needs
Just because you dont like what im saying doesn't make it any less true.
Yeeep, it is basically the repeat of the past. If this game was a fighting game like a certain street game, this game would've been widely unpopular because characters would end up losing their unique flavors after heeding to the continuous nerf calling grievances.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel2 -
Militan1404✭✭✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Im not implying anything. If you're taking it the wrong way, thats on you. No one calls for more nerfs than PvP. No one. Look at the 11 years of threads alone. And it has. Im against nerfs. And yes, the DK was my main character. And all that happened to it was constant calls for it to be nerfed for years. Just like now BTW. After the Warden came out, I chose that hoping the nerfs would stop. And what's happening to it now? Same thing. Its not a PvP or PvE issue, its a game breaking issue that has been going on for entirely too long. If its killing you in PvP, here comes the "It needs nerfed". And the Werewolf. Look at all of the calls for it to be ruined.
Subclassing is an absolute disaster. It never should have happened. Its caused more players to quit from our Guilds than anything in this game. And it still is because our characters are still ruined. And the reworks are only years away. And most of our characters have been ruined for over a year.Militan1404 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Yeah lol, hes making it up as it fits and then forgets about it. First he was a dk main then suddenly he forgetts and is a ww main. Hes just saying annything to keep hes crutches that he so desperately needs
Just because you dont like what im saying doesn't make it any less true.
Just becouse you says it dosent make it true either.Edited by Militan1404 on 26 July 2026 14:150 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Im not implying anything. If you're taking it the wrong way, thats on you. No one calls for more nerfs than PvP. No one. Look at the 11 years of threads alone. And it has. Im against nerfs. And yes, the DK was my main character. And all that happened to it was constant calls for it to be nerfed for years. Just like now BTW. After the Warden came out, I chose that hoping the nerfs would stop. And what's happening to it now? Same thing. Its not a PvP or PvE issue, its a game breaking issue that has been going on for entirely too long. If its killing you in PvP, here comes the "It needs nerfed". And the Werewolf. Look at all of the calls for it to be ruined.
Subclassing is an absolute disaster. It never should have happened. Its caused more players to quit from our Guilds than anything in this game. And it still is because our characters are still ruined. And the reworks are only years away. And most of our characters have been ruined for over a year.Militan1404 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Yeah lol, hes making it up as it fits and then forgets about it. First he was a dk main then suddenly he forgetts and is a ww main. Hes just saying annything to keep hes crutches that he so desperately needs
Just because you dont like what im saying doesn't make it any less true.
Yeeep, it is basically the repeat of the past. If this game was a fighting game like a certain street game, this game would've been widely unpopular because characters would end up losing their unique flavors after heeding to the continuous nerf calling grievances.
Except Street Fighter actually has tournaments and this game could never have that because the balance is so bad. DK damage doubled, got more CC and escape options, got more healing (even AoE healing), got more tankiness, and got more free sustain, and got better stacking of instances of damage.
Yeah, don't see how it's comparable. And seriously doubt anyone championing ESO's PvP balance dare play a game like that at a high level.. Just no.2 -
NxJoeyD✭✭✭✭ketsparrowhawk wrote: »WW's are about as tough to kill as sorcs these days. And every WW is a sorc. Take a look at those class mastery passives. That's where the nerf hammer needs to be aimed.
I would agree with the Mastery Passives; it’s clear that some are overturned for WW use. I don’t think WW should have access to Class Mastery passives, rather they should have their own.
From what I see it’s not even Sorc as the majority, it’s Warden (with Aerie’s) and DK with (Pyrebrand) then Sorc. .. those are really the only 3 classes where the Mastery Passives align with WW in a meaningful way.
I don’t think WW needs a nerf. WW was elevated in power to be in the ballpark of DK and Subclassed builds and that’s the level of power those builds are bringing.
Contrary to what others will say about WE downsides, I see WWs currently performing overly well in PvP which means that any downsides that do genuinely exist are more than made up for. A properly built WW can just Fear and then spam Rip & Tear to deal upwards of 4k to 5k on a target, after resistances, plus apply strong bleeds. Combine that with damage from Mastery Passives + class sets and it’s a very easy play style.
Which really isn’t a surprise because when we look at how many of the subclass meta builds worked out as well as the DK refresh we see a trend where the Devs have built the skill mechanics to more reward spamming than actual combat strategy.Edited by NxJoeyD on 28 July 2026 14:122 -
Militan1404 wrote: »Militan1404 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Yeah lol, hes making it up as it fits and then forgets about it. First he was a dk main then suddenly he forgetts and is a ww main. Hes just saying annything to keep hes crutches that he so desperately needs
He’s not even referring to me there (check his quote) plus:
“I have little to no issues killing the vast majority of werewolves on my server as a wolf, DK, and even a pure-class NB now (I do run S&B back bar and have shade, cloak, rally, mono).”
and
“I said I was multiple things (you can re-read above), my friend.”
You can ctrl+F either of those right now and find this (simply letting you know I have not said here I ‘main’ any specific thing or rather ‘I only play one thing’). This is somewhat like the person above that (paraphrasing) just said ‘only people that agree with me have a brain’. Because this is your ‘argument’. 0.o
No dont think i said you dont have a brain, i think i know exactly what your trying to do. Your trying to twist it so it seems ww is not OP and so under dog at all while dk is so OP. There is a reason WW is new think(other than everyone is kind of sick of dk), if dk was still the ultimate top dog then everyone would still be it and not sorc and ww.
Are you reading anything anyone posts here? Just trying to confirm. That last portion of that comment wasn’t even referencing you.
Werewolf is strong, but it doesn’t beat DK mathematically or even in practice. Any and all scenarios outside of this are absolutely a difference of skill (or gear) level on the DK, wolf, or both. DK comes out on top and both are reworked ‘classes’ that are leagues above non-reworked classes (and ergo if anything ‘MUST BE NERFED NOW’ it would either be DK, both, or none-of-the-above preferably). Since you aren’t reading these, it appears, just a reminder of what I said there (should be no surprise):
“(quick reminder that DK and wolf are the only reworked ‘classes’ as of right now, for reference)”
*unrelated but just remembered there is absolutely no kit-based crosshealing (so really, no healing) between werewolves either (so another thing I want to add to ‘things we can’t do that everyone else can’ list)
When I opened some people's speech records and found that DK players were complaining about the PVP strength of werewolves, I couldn't help but laugh, lmao1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭HunterDawn wrote: »Militan1404 wrote: »Militan1404 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »We were killing Werewolves and DKs! With our Wardens until everyone cried and had it taken away and completely ruined. They ruined the Bear, its Class Passive and Shattered Path. You cant make this stuff up. Stop nerfing our characters and gear! Every nerf just creates more problems. It's never enough and it needs to stop.
Could have sworn you claimed elsewhere that:
1. You didn't care about PvP and mostly PvE
2. PvP was getting PvE nerfed, with huge blocks of implying that you're a PvEr angry about being nerfed because of PvP
And yet now you're saying that you did in fact use that mythic in PvP, enough for you to complain here that it was removed from PvP.
Yeah, can't say I didn't expect this when following the continuity of your statements and logic behind them about subclassing, mythics, etc.
Thanks for providing proof for what was already obvious. Thanks for the self-expose.
Yeah lol, hes making it up as it fits and then forgets about it. First he was a dk main then suddenly he forgetts and is a ww main. Hes just saying annything to keep hes crutches that he so desperately needs
He’s not even referring to me there (check his quote) plus:
“I have little to no issues killing the vast majority of werewolves on my server as a wolf, DK, and even a pure-class NB now (I do run S&B back bar and have shade, cloak, rally, mono).”
and
“I said I was multiple things (you can re-read above), my friend.”
You can ctrl+F either of those right now and find this (simply letting you know I have not said here I ‘main’ any specific thing or rather ‘I only play one thing’). This is somewhat like the person above that (paraphrasing) just said ‘only people that agree with me have a brain’. Because this is your ‘argument’. 0.o
No dont think i said you dont have a brain, i think i know exactly what your trying to do. Your trying to twist it so it seems ww is not OP and so under dog at all while dk is so OP. There is a reason WW is new think(other than everyone is kind of sick of dk), if dk was still the ultimate top dog then everyone would still be it and not sorc and ww.
Are you reading anything anyone posts here? Just trying to confirm. That last portion of that comment wasn’t even referencing you.
Werewolf is strong, but it doesn’t beat DK mathematically or even in practice. Any and all scenarios outside of this are absolutely a difference of skill (or gear) level on the DK, wolf, or both. DK comes out on top and both are reworked ‘classes’ that are leagues above non-reworked classes (and ergo if anything ‘MUST BE NERFED NOW’ it would either be DK, both, or none-of-the-above preferably). Since you aren’t reading these, it appears, just a reminder of what I said there (should be no surprise):
“(quick reminder that DK and wolf are the only reworked ‘classes’ as of right now, for reference)”
*unrelated but just remembered there is absolutely no kit-based crosshealing (so really, no healing) between werewolves either (so another thing I want to add to ‘things we can’t do that everyone else can’ list)
When I opened some people's speech records and found that DK players were complaining about the PVP strength of werewolves, I couldn't help but laugh, lmao
It's the new Sorc-NB situation that plagued the forums. Except NB is bad right now, so we have to have a replacement. I'm surprised no one has put the Spiderman meme yet.1 -
Xertasian✭✭Major_Mangle wrote: »-no burst (no like really, go through the skills)
Honestly, this borderline "propaganda" needs to stop. Just because werewolf doesn´t have the traditional "delayed skill + ult" combo doesn´t mean that it doesn´t have damage that isn´t equivalent to burst. On my current WW build I´ve several "post SPS nerf" CMX parses against good/proper geared players where I do anywhere from 25-30k damage in less than 2 GCD:s. I can do this kind of damage more or less every other GCD depending on the nature of the fight (not counting duels here but actual GvG´s or open world fights against solid players). I can stack so many instances of damage every other GCD that I put my opponent on full life support 90% of a fight. Only exception is when they abuse bugged Mara´s balm. At some point "pressure" stop being pressure when it does almost 15k dps. That´s not "pressure" that´s just burst disguised as pressure.
I mained ww for the longest time many many years ago so I´m well aware of old metas (even created some of them on PCEU) and how mediocre it became after the HP recovery nerfs and certain mythic nerfs etc etc. But downplaying that ww isn´t meta when played correctly is just down right disingenuous. Sure ww has some downside, but they´re easily mitigated by sets or CP (or in some cases playing as a duo removes 99% of the negatives) so arguing that ww doesn´t have "X, Y or Z" doesn´t hold, because you don´t balance the game from a solo/1vX perspective anyway.
I never debate/argue ESO balance from the perspective of a mediocre/average player, but from the perspective of fighting on an optimized setup vs proper geared players (as one should, since games like ESO should be balanced from the top down, not the other way around). WW is in the strongest spot it´s ever been in, and downplaying it is just utterly insane.
15k DPS on properly geared pvp players. i would love you to fight my 60k+ hp necrotic golden werewolf 1 vs 1. guarantee you wont crank out that number. she do hella damage also.0 -
Xertasian✭✭Reading everything, damn if you do and damn if you don't. same story over and over again. As always i will say the ugly part out loud. It never the class but the player. ZOS can magically fix WW, but you can't fix a crappy player. Until you admit that you suck, and need to get better, or figure out how to counter the class. You will always come to forums crying "NERF".
99% of merfs in this game wasn't needed. It was bad players, never admitting that they suck and don't try to get better. Since i been playing E.S.O. for a very long time, i say only 2 times was a nerf needed. That what ruined other games, nerfs that wasn't needed. ZOS don't let the same fate happen in this game.1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭Reading everything, damn if you do and damn if you don't. same story over and over again. As always i will say the ugly part out loud. It never the class but the player. ZOS can magically fix WW, but you can't fix a crappy player. Until you admit that you suck, and need to get better, or figure out how to counter the class. You will always come to forums crying "NERF".
99% of merfs in this game wasn't needed. It was bad players, never admitting that they suck and don't try to get better. Since i been playing E.S.O. for a very long time, i say only 2 times was a nerf needed. That what ruined other games, nerfs that wasn't needed. ZOS don't let the same fate happen in this game.
Pretty sure anyone can go into the game on any platform and faction and ask if WW is OP right now and a majority of players will agree. It's not really a debate. Low skill cost, HP% healing, stacked buffs with 100% uptime, etc.
By every metric it's better and holds an immense advantage over anyone that isn't a sorc, DK, or WW themselves. That's a literal fact.
Not sure why when a FACT is called out players that enjoy WW and punching down always resort to the "skill" argument and baiting.
I've held off on getting WW nerfed into the ground because of my brother, but man do comments like this provide motivation for me to do so even if it makes my brother sad.3 -
Xertasian✭✭Reading everything, damn if you do and damn if you don't. same story over and over again. As always i will say the ugly part out loud. It never the class but the player. ZOS can magically fix WW, but you can't fix a crappy player. Until you admit that you suck, and need to get better, or figure out how to counter the class. You will always come to forums crying "NERF".
99% of merfs in this game wasn't needed. It was bad players, never admitting that they suck and don't try to get better. Since i been playing E.S.O. for a very long time, i say only 2 times was a nerf needed. That what ruined other games, nerfs that wasn't needed. ZOS don't let the same fate happen in this game.
Pretty sure anyone can go into the game on any platform and faction and ask if WW is OP right now and a majority of players will agree. It's not really a debate. Low skill cost, HP% healing, stacked buffs with 100% uptime, etc.
By every metric it's better and holds an immense advantage over anyone that isn't a sorc, DK, or WW themselves. That's a literal fact.
Not sure why when a FACT is called out players that enjoy WW and punching down always resort to the "skill" argument and baiting.
I've held off on getting WW nerfed into the ground because of my brother, but man do comments like this provide motivation for me to do so even if it makes my brother sad.
Again it's not the class, sure WW in a good spot. It can be beaten, also it's the player behind the wolf. I fought some good WW's and some crappy one's. The crappy ones got beat down, again they using same gear as other's and bar build. So where is nerf needed, because the player isn't good compared to other's. i guess Lunecac you fall in this catergory, hence the nerf. Even if they nerf WW, to the ground, i bet you and other's will be on forum's to nerf something else.1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭Reading everything, damn if you do and damn if you don't. same story over and over again. As always i will say the ugly part out loud. It never the class but the player. ZOS can magically fix WW, but you can't fix a crappy player. Until you admit that you suck, and need to get better, or figure out how to counter the class. You will always come to forums crying "NERF".
99% of merfs in this game wasn't needed. It was bad players, never admitting that they suck and don't try to get better. Since i been playing E.S.O. for a very long time, i say only 2 times was a nerf needed. That what ruined other games, nerfs that wasn't needed. ZOS don't let the same fate happen in this game.
Pretty sure anyone can go into the game on any platform and faction and ask if WW is OP right now and a majority of players will agree. It's not really a debate. Low skill cost, HP% healing, stacked buffs with 100% uptime, etc.
By every metric it's better and holds an immense advantage over anyone that isn't a sorc, DK, or WW themselves. That's a literal fact.
Not sure why when a FACT is called out players that enjoy WW and punching down always resort to the "skill" argument and baiting.
I've held off on getting WW nerfed into the ground because of my brother, but man do comments like this provide motivation for me to do so even if it makes my brother sad.
Again it's not the class, sure WW in a good spot. It can be beaten, also it's the player behind the wolf. I fought some good WW's and some crappy one's. The crappy ones got beat down, again they using same gear as other's and bar build. So where is nerf needed, because the player isn't good compared to other's. i guess Lunecac you fall in this catergory, hence the nerf. Even if they nerf WW, to the ground, i bet you and other's will be on forum's to nerf something else.
More bait, as expected. But you're right about one thing: I will call for nerfs when something isn't balanced. Either that or they bring everything else in line. They haven't and won't be doing that anytime soon, so guess what needs to happen? A nerf.
The skill argument is invalid when it can be demonstrated it isn't balanced from the start. No amount of skill will change the fact that I could forego many build decisions that I couldn't on another "class" like Arcanist/Necro/Templar, and even NB.
But you can keep pretending it's skill. After all, I'd find it hard to admit my victories come from an unfair advantage if the core of my existence were tied up in a poorly balanced PvP game.
Fortunately, it's not. And I just fire siege.0 -
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✭More bait, as expected. But you're right about one thing: I will call for nerfs when something isn't balanced. Either that or they bring everything else in line. They haven't and won't be doing that anytime soon, so guess what needs to happen? A nerf.
Bringing everything in line is literally what they’re doing with the class reworks. You’re screaming for nerfs and they’re not even halfway through. Maybe fire less siege and pay more attention to what ZOS says about their plans for the future 🤷🏻
Here’s another, more general thought. If the state of the game is so bad and unenjoyable…maybe stop playing until it’s better for you? Some of you act like you’re shackled to the computer or console. Some of you are making the same complaints you’ve been making for months, if not years. Go do something else. Come back when you can actually enjoy ESO. The rest of us will still be here, once all the class reworks are done.2 -
Xertasian✭✭Reading everything, damn if you do and damn if you don't. same story over and over again. As always i will say the ugly part out loud. It never the class but the player. ZOS can magically fix WW, but you can't fix a crappy player. Until you admit that you suck, and need to get better, or figure out how to counter the class. You will always come to forums crying "NERF".
99% of merfs in this game wasn't needed. It was bad players, never admitting that they suck and don't try to get better. Since i been playing E.S.O. for a very long time, i say only 2 times was a nerf needed. That what ruined other games, nerfs that wasn't needed. ZOS don't let the same fate happen in this game.
Pretty sure anyone can go into the game on any platform and faction and ask if WW is OP right now and a majority of players will agree. It's not really a debate. Low skill cost, HP% healing, stacked buffs with 100% uptime, etc.
By every metric it's better and holds an immense advantage over anyone that isn't a sorc, DK, or WW themselves. That's a literal fact.
Not sure why when a FACT is called out players that enjoy WW and punching down always resort to the "skill" argument and baiting.
I've held off on getting WW nerfed into the ground because of my brother, but man do comments like this provide motivation for me to do so even if it makes my brother sad.
Again it's not the class, sure WW in a good spot. It can be beaten, also it's the player behind the wolf. I fought some good WW's and some crappy one's. The crappy ones got beat down, again they using same gear as other's and bar build. So where is nerf needed, because the player isn't good compared to other's. i guess Lunecac you fall in this catergory, hence the nerf. Even if they nerf WW, to the ground, i bet you and other's will be on forum's to nerf something else.
More bait, as expected. But you're right about one thing: I will call for nerfs when something isn't balanced. Either that or they bring everything else in line. They haven't and won't be doing that anytime soon, so guess what needs to happen? A nerf.
The skill argument is invalid when it can be demonstrated it isn't balanced from the start. No amount of skill will change the fact that I could forego many build decisions that I couldn't on another "class" like Arcanist/Necro/Templar, and even NB.
But you can keep pretending it's skill. After all, I'd find it hard to admit my victories come from an unfair advantage if the core of my existence were tied up in a poorly balanced PvP game.
Fortunately, it's not. And I just fire siege.
Again more excuses, at least ZOS is trying to put everything in line, have some patience. WW don't need to be nerfed, as any new class or build. Good player's will figure out how to beat it. Only bad players, will come here crying nerf, they getting more class reworks out. I rather they do it one class at a time. at least you can fix alot of things. instead of doing all classes at once, then you really gonna have a problem.
I read your post, im trying my best to give you the benefit of doubt. But you sound like other's on the nerf train, stopping in the nearest town.1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭Reading everything, damn if you do and damn if you don't. same story over and over again. As always i will say the ugly part out loud. It never the class but the player. ZOS can magically fix WW, but you can't fix a crappy player. Until you admit that you suck, and need to get better, or figure out how to counter the class. You will always come to forums crying "NERF".
99% of merfs in this game wasn't needed. It was bad players, never admitting that they suck and don't try to get better. Since i been playing E.S.O. for a very long time, i say only 2 times was a nerf needed. That what ruined other games, nerfs that wasn't needed. ZOS don't let the same fate happen in this game.
Pretty sure anyone can go into the game on any platform and faction and ask if WW is OP right now and a majority of players will agree. It's not really a debate. Low skill cost, HP% healing, stacked buffs with 100% uptime, etc.
By every metric it's better and holds an immense advantage over anyone that isn't a sorc, DK, or WW themselves. That's a literal fact.
Not sure why when a FACT is called out players that enjoy WW and punching down always resort to the "skill" argument and baiting.
I've held off on getting WW nerfed into the ground because of my brother, but man do comments like this provide motivation for me to do so even if it makes my brother sad.
Again it's not the class, sure WW in a good spot. It can be beaten, also it's the player behind the wolf. I fought some good WW's and some crappy one's. The crappy ones got beat down, again they using same gear as other's and bar build. So where is nerf needed, because the player isn't good compared to other's. i guess Lunecac you fall in this catergory, hence the nerf. Even if they nerf WW, to the ground, i bet you and other's will be on forum's to nerf something else.
More bait, as expected. But you're right about one thing: I will call for nerfs when something isn't balanced. Either that or they bring everything else in line. They haven't and won't be doing that anytime soon, so guess what needs to happen? A nerf.
The skill argument is invalid when it can be demonstrated it isn't balanced from the start. No amount of skill will change the fact that I could forego many build decisions that I couldn't on another "class" like Arcanist/Necro/Templar, and even NB.
But you can keep pretending it's skill. After all, I'd find it hard to admit my victories come from an unfair advantage if the core of my existence were tied up in a poorly balanced PvP game.
Fortunately, it's not. And I just fire siege.
Again more excuses, at least ZOS is trying to put everything in line, have some patience. WW don't need to be nerfed, as any new class or build. Good player's will figure out how to beat it. Only bad players, will come here crying nerf, they getting more class reworks out. I rather they do it one class at a time. at least you can fix alot of things. instead of doing all classes at once, then you really gonna have a problem.
I read your post, im trying my best to give you the benefit of doubt. But you sound like other's on the nerf train, stopping in the nearest town.
Who is the one that should be patient? The one attacking others because they don't want to play an unbalanced game, orthe one discussing the fact that the game isn't balanced and a joke?
Even if they did all the reworks, it doesn't seem like anything would change, esp. if we consider how disappointing some planned changes are (removal of minor sorcery on templar and replacing with a useless resistance buff).
Masteries also failed to be balanced, with some classes having them virtually unsuable without being pigeonholed into a unfun and otherwise terrible playstyle, while being lackluster at the same time.
How masteries came out so disappointing was truly a feat in and of itself. But your solution for anyone that complains about it is to be quiet and be patient because you and the others defending the state of the game are afraid that your cheese will be melted?
You do know what a forum is right? It exists for discussion. Whether you agree to the topic at hand is a different matter, but you're not going to be able to stop people from discussing whether things are balanced or not.
I'll say it again: WW isn't balanced. That's a fact. And apparently, you know its true too becasue you cannot provide a single couterargument besides pointing to an uncertain future event that may or may not ever come.
Imagine if your boss promised everyone raises and then only gave those that they were friendly with a raise. They then said "ah, yah you guys will get it in the future sometime. Be patient." Are you going to be patient? Maybe you would, but I'm already clocking out for good.1 -
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