They need to reverse class changes and masteries

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Roll it all back and release it when all the classes have been done and take feedback from PTS before adding completely broken things to the game, 90% of Cyrodil are playing either DK or Sorc at the moment, it's not fun or healthy 5 of 7 classes being unviable in PvP is not a healthy state of the game and I refuse to play classes I don't like just because it's the current thing.

The class rework schedule doesn't even make sense, rework all the most powerful classes first making them even more powerful while the worst classes have to wait for years?
  • allochthons
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    Not again...
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  • Luneca
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    At least have some consistency. Templar masteries are complete trash. Why is it so restricted for one class and a specific skill line, then other classes have no restriction?

    If they will put those restrictions, that stuff needs to be WAY more powerful than it is right now on live for classes pigeonholed into slotting skills they may not want for the masteries to work.

    It's funny how "themes" matter for some classes and not others to the point that they become absolute trash-tier performers while flexibility is left for the "two classes" left.

    It will kill the game eventually if they keep this up.
  • aLi3nZ
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    DK and sorc? I think you forgot warewolf there friend.

    DK has been broken for a long time now. It basically became a situation where if you can’t beat them join them.

    I have my own dk, sorc and warewolf. Pure sorc is most fun to play for me and I have a disgusting build that is super tanky. Soon I will try it out in cyrodil.

    That said have met some templars that easily hold their own and more.

    And also my Arcanist that uses subclassing is still ridiculously powerful as a pulse ganker. Using spattering disjunction and winterborn with multiple heavy armour peices and gaze of sythis so the build is also quite tanky.
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    aLi3nZ wrote: »
    DK and sorc? I think you forgot warewolf there friend.

    DK has been broken for a long time now. It basically became a situation where if you can’t beat them join them.

    I have my own dk, sorc and warewolf. Pure sorc is most fun to play for me and I have a disgusting build that is super tanky. Soon I will try it out in cyrodil.

    That said have met some templars that easily hold their own and more.

    And also my Arcanist that uses subclassing is still ridiculously powerful as a pulse ganker. Using spattering disjunction and winterborn with multiple heavy armour peices and gaze of sythis so the build is also quite tanky.

    Hey! Not so loud about spattering disjunction. The forums are not ready for that yet.
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    And have other classes fade into the obscurity? They should just benchmark Sorc class mastery to bring other classes up.
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    aLi3nZ wrote: »
    DK and sorc? I think you forgot warewolf there friend.

    DK has been broken for a long time now. It basically became a situation where if you can’t beat them join them.

    I have my own dk, sorc and warewolf. Pure sorc is most fun to play for me and I have a disgusting build that is super tanky. Soon I will try it out in cyrodil.

    That said have met some templars that easily hold their own and more.

    And also my Arcanist that uses subclassing is still ridiculously powerful as a pulse ganker. Using spattering disjunction and winterborn with multiple heavy armour peices and gaze of sythis so the build is also quite tanky.

    Status arca is pretty strong even on pure class, especially during ult windows.
    Biggest issue I find is defense, arca shields ate just notnup to snuff at this point even with Major vitality.
    I mean you can survive for a while but multiple high dmg builds will get to you eventually.
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    Firstmep wrote: »
    aLi3nZ wrote: »
    DK and sorc? I think you forgot warewolf there friend.

    DK has been broken for a long time now. It basically became a situation where if you can’t beat them join them.

    I have my own dk, sorc and warewolf. Pure sorc is most fun to play for me and I have a disgusting build that is super tanky. Soon I will try it out in cyrodil.

    That said have met some templars that easily hold their own and more.

    And also my Arcanist that uses subclassing is still ridiculously powerful as a pulse ganker. Using spattering disjunction and winterborn with multiple heavy armour peices and gaze of sythis so the build is also quite tanky.

    Status arca is pretty strong even on pure class, especially during ult windows.
    Biggest issue I find is defense, arca shields ate just notnup to snuff at this point even with Major vitality.
    I mean you can survive for a while but multiple high dmg builds will get to you eventually.

    Well, not to mention that Arcanist sustain is so terrible while the shields are super expensive. Can't just face tank with armor either because self-healing is very mid.
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  • zammo
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    Firstmep wrote: »
    aLi3nZ wrote: »
    DK and sorc? I think you forgot warewolf there friend.

    DK has been broken for a long time now. It basically became a situation where if you can’t beat them join them.

    I have my own dk, sorc and warewolf. Pure sorc is most fun to play for me and I have a disgusting build that is super tanky. Soon I will try it out in cyrodil.

    That said have met some templars that easily hold their own and more.

    And also my Arcanist that uses subclassing is still ridiculously powerful as a pulse ganker. Using spattering disjunction and winterborn with multiple heavy armour peices and gaze of sythis so the build is also quite tanky.

    Status arca is pretty strong even on pure class, especially during ult windows.
    Biggest issue I find is defense, arca shields ate just notnup to snuff at this point even with Major vitality.
    I mean you can survive for a while but multiple high dmg builds will get to you eventually.

    Well, not to mention that Arcanist sustain is so terrible while the shields are super expensive. Can't just face tank with armor either because self-healing is very mid.

    (PvP centric) Not wanting to derail the thread, but concur on the Arc sustain thing. You have to invest so much into sustain, there's hardly any room for much else. Regardless of class reworks, (I understand why Arc is last), it'd be easy enough to adjust a few tool tip / skill cost numbers to help before then. Same with all underperforming classes. We need balance yesterday.

    And as far as the class masteries go, Arcanists 'Fate Realigned' still isn't even providing it's damage bonus.

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    zammo wrote: »
    Firstmep wrote: »
    aLi3nZ wrote: »
    DK and sorc? I think you forgot warewolf there friend.

    DK has been broken for a long time now. It basically became a situation where if you can’t beat them join them.

    I have my own dk, sorc and warewolf. Pure sorc is most fun to play for me and I have a disgusting build that is super tanky. Soon I will try it out in cyrodil.

    That said have met some templars that easily hold their own and more.

    And also my Arcanist that uses subclassing is still ridiculously powerful as a pulse ganker. Using spattering disjunction and winterborn with multiple heavy armour peices and gaze of sythis so the build is also quite tanky.

    Status arca is pretty strong even on pure class, especially during ult windows.
    Biggest issue I find is defense, arca shields ate just notnup to snuff at this point even with Major vitality.
    I mean you can survive for a while but multiple high dmg builds will get to you eventually.

    Well, not to mention that Arcanist sustain is so terrible while the shields are super expensive. Can't just face tank with armor either because self-healing is very mid.

    (PvP centric) Not wanting to derail the thread, but concur on the Arc sustain thing. You have to invest so much into sustain, there's hardly any room for much else. Regardless of class reworks, (I understand why Arc is last), it'd be easy enough to adjust a few tool tip / skill cost numbers to help before then. Same with all underperforming classes. We need balance yesterday.

    And as far as the class masteries go, Arcanists 'Fate Realigned' still isn't even providing it's damage bonus.

    Unfortunately small scale remedies are not in the work culture of ZOS. One of the reason to not do small scale updates is to give some kind of consistency to the game, which many players prefer. In my personal opinion this results in a consistency of the balance being [snip]. Asking for a bit of a fix in balance is like asking a guy with a sledgehammer to carve a statuette. Just look at what they've done to Shattered Paths Signet. Not the slightest attempt to fix: outright delete the effect from PvP.

    One can hope tho...
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    zammo wrote: »
    Firstmep wrote: »
    aLi3nZ wrote: »
    DK and sorc? I think you forgot warewolf there friend.

    DK has been broken for a long time now. It basically became a situation where if you can’t beat them join them.

    I have my own dk, sorc and warewolf. Pure sorc is most fun to play for me and I have a disgusting build that is super tanky. Soon I will try it out in cyrodil.

    That said have met some templars that easily hold their own and more.

    And also my Arcanist that uses subclassing is still ridiculously powerful as a pulse ganker. Using spattering disjunction and winterborn with multiple heavy armour peices and gaze of sythis so the build is also quite tanky.

    Status arca is pretty strong even on pure class, especially during ult windows.
    Biggest issue I find is defense, arca shields ate just notnup to snuff at this point even with Major vitality.
    I mean you can survive for a while but multiple high dmg builds will get to you eventually.

    Well, not to mention that Arcanist sustain is so terrible while the shields are super expensive. Can't just face tank with armor either because self-healing is very mid.

    (PvP centric) Not wanting to derail the thread, but concur on the Arc sustain thing. You have to invest so much into sustain, there's hardly any room for much else. Regardless of class reworks, (I understand why Arc is last), it'd be easy enough to adjust a few tool tip / skill cost numbers to help before then. Same with all underperforming classes. We need balance yesterday.

    And as far as the class masteries go, Arcanists 'Fate Realigned' still isn't even providing it's damage bonus.

    Yep... those short term solutions until we get every class refreshed would be great.
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