Why is it 2026 and we have no Barber Shop or Hair Dyes?

TheBigOBob · July 18

This is a basic functionality of practically every single game today.

1) We should be able to swap between Base Game hairstyles without spending 1k crowns. I don't even spend $10 to get my own hair cut (i shave my own head).

2) The dyes we unlock should also be able to change our hair color, to include base and crown bought hairstyles, and two-tone hair styles you should be able to change both. Just add it to the Costume station.

Even if you don't agree with #1 for the sake of crown spending, there is no reason why we cannot implement #2.

SilverBride · July 18

I'm fine with the hair styles being part of a pack because once we have it we can change our styles as many times as we want on all our characters with no additional cost.

But we absolutely need a hair dye pack. It's ridiculous that we have to do a complete customization of our characters just to change their hair color.

I'd be fine if we had a hair dye pack that works like the one for hairstyles. And I'd be happy with just the normal hair colors being included, but am not against having dye colors added, too.

Glorious_Platypus · July 18

While I agree with you OP, I like the oldschool way ESO does it. It makes your decisions at character creation actually matter.

lolinternet · July 18

We need an independent character creator style interface for designing and redying our own haircuts and beards >:]

and can we get some more GLASSES in the game please I'm trying to look like a heroic version of myself

Altyri · July 18

The ability to dye hair is such a basic function and it has always baffled me that you can't do that without the extortionate token. In a world with dragons and all kinds of magic and alchemy, is there really nobody across Tamriel thats thought to make some hair dye?

NoticeMeArkay · July 18

Glorious_Platypus wrote: »

While I agree with you OP, I like the oldschool way ESO does it. It makes your decisions at character creation actually matter.

What.

Matter in what context? What does one gain from getting it right the first time? Is there some secret validation system running that I've not been familiar with?

The character creation screen has always been the DARKEST, worst lit cell anybody could every attempt to get the details on a character right. Not to forget that later aquired pieces of the style parlor are not visible in the style parlor and LOVE to change your haircolor once you equip them. And Zos knows that.

And Zos sells us the 'Retry-Button' rather than implementing a character creation screen that actually allows us to see stuff properly or all stuff that's available to us after years of playing.

We got two whole races that cannot even keep their fur or scale pattern once they apply later-in-life collected body markings.
Horns and feathers share not always the same color despite being on the same slot.
Oh you want to be a vampire? Oh that's great, hope you got lucky with the character creator before get the curse because we'll absolutely wreck your choices there.

The game doesn't have a "barber" or a better character editor cell because it "matters" but because it makes them the easiest of all coins.

Glorious_Platypus · July 18

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

What.

Matter in what context? What does one gain from getting it right the first time? Is there some secret validation system running that I've not been familiar with?

The character creation screen has always been the DARKEST, worst lit cell .

You know what else is dark? Your consciousness before you were born. You never chose your hair color back then why should you be able to in ESO after making the character? That's what the character creation screen symbolizes, you get to have a little time playing God and decide the features of your character before they get set.

This is a "medieval" style setting where you can't just go to the barber and dye your hair or get plastic surgery, not Cyberpunk 2077. Sorry, but you're not gonna have a Dunmer with electric pink hair.

You say "but magic" - the setting has already been watered down by magic too much as it is. If you're a POWERFUL Telvanni mage and you know alteration magic, sure, whatever, you can use magic to change your hair color.

But a barber in a city is gonna be like "I don't know what kind of herbal tonic to make to dye your hair permanently that color.... Maybe temporarily... maybe??"

idk my 2 septims

LunaFlora · July 18

Glorious_Platypus wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

What.

Matter in what context? What does one gain from getting it right the first time? Is there some secret validation system running that I've not been familiar with?

The character creation screen has always been the DARKEST, worst lit cell .

You know what else is dark? Your consciousness before you were born. You never chose your hair color back then why should you be able to in ESO after making the character? That's what the character creation screen symbolizes, you get to have a little time playing God and decide the features of your character before they get set.

This is a "medieval" style setting where you can't just go to the barber and dye your hair or get plastic surgery, not Cyberpunk 2077. Sorry, but you're not gonna have a Dunmer with electric pink hair.

You say "but magic" - the setting has already been watered down by magic too much as it is. If you're a POWERFUL Telvanni mage and you know alteration magic, sure, whatever, you can use magic to change your hair color.

But a barber in a city is gonna be like "I don't know what kind of herbal tonic to make to dye your hair permanently that color.... Maybe temporarily... maybe??"

idk my 2 septims

What?

Skyrim's Ragged Flagon has a wood elf that can change your appearance, the intro quest for unlocking their service is called "Surgery".
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Galathil
Breton women in TES2 Daggerfall could have blue hair, similar to Azure Ombre.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/File:DF-pc-Breton_(female).jpg

if this game is a truly "medieval" setting we would not have sewing machines on our Outfit Stations or thousands of years old steam machines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_coloring
But hair dying is a centuries old practice, even in real life it is still temporary and people have to redye their hair every so often.
Tamriel has expert alchemists so it should be no problem for them.
Our characters can be expert alchemists and dye their outfits in dozens of colours, even metallic colours. it does not require magic, unless you see science as magic.

Regardless, Elder Scrolls Online has several hairstyles with different colours than the character creator.
People want hair dying to be more than these styles.
Azure Ombre is Draping Locks in blue, it would just be nice to make it green or black or yes even electric pink.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_Standing_Flame
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Twilight_Indigo_Tresses
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Viper's_Strike
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Feathered_Kelp-Scalp
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:High_Elven_Instigator
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mane-of-Many-Rivers
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Rotmeth_Hangover_Bed-Head
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Color_Streaked_River_Braid
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dragonfire_Tresses
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Fade_to_Light_War-Locks
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Azure_Ombre
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_Adoring_Stand
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Color_Streaked_River_Braid
Not listing the NPC's that use these hairstyles, but they exist.

Tallon_IV · July 18

Glorious_Platypus wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

What.

Matter in what context? What does one gain from getting it right the first time? Is there some secret validation system running that I've not been familiar with?

The character creation screen has always been the DARKEST, worst lit cell .

You know what else is dark? Your consciousness before you were born. You never chose your hair color back then why should you be able to in ESO after making the character? That's what the character creation screen symbolizes, you get to have a little time playing God and decide the features of your character before they get set.

This is a "medieval" style setting where you can't just go to the barber and dye your hair or get plastic surgery, not Cyberpunk 2077. Sorry, but you're not gonna have a Dunmer with electric pink hair.

You say "but magic" - the setting has already been watered down by magic too much as it is. If you're a POWERFUL Telvanni mage and you know alteration magic, sure, whatever, you can use magic to change your hair color.

But a barber in a city is gonna be like "I don't know what kind of herbal tonic to make to dye your hair permanently that color.... Maybe temporarily... maybe??"

idk my 2 septims

A medieval setting with robots, Daedric invasions, and dragon breaks, but dyed hair is where you draw the line?

Carlos93 · July 18

Because taxes in Tamriel are very high, and setting up a hair salon is very expensive.

Gagoimaliu · July 18

Glorious_Platypus wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

What.

Matter in what context? What does one gain from getting it right the first time? Is there some secret validation system running that I've not been familiar with?

The character creation screen has always been the DARKEST, worst lit cell .

You know what else is dark? Your consciousness before you were born. You never chose your hair color back then why should you be able to in ESO after making the character? That's what the character creation screen symbolizes, you get to have a little time playing God and decide the features of your character before they get set.

This is a "medieval" style setting where you can't just go to the barber and dye your hair or get plastic surgery, not Cyberpunk 2077. Sorry, but you're not gonna have a Dunmer with electric pink hair.

You say "but magic" - the setting has already been watered down by magic too much as it is. If you're a POWERFUL Telvanni mage and you know alteration magic, sure, whatever, you can use magic to change your hair color.

But a barber in a city is gonna be like "I don't know what kind of herbal tonic to make to dye your hair permanently that color.... Maybe temporarily... maybe??"

idk my 2 septims

There's literally an entire book about dying hair from the 1200s lol, we've known about dyes since the 2000s BC. Just the very nature of being able to dye our clothes implies Tamriel has dyes, which logically means we can also dye our hair.

Maybe not bright pink or neon green, but we can definitely use more natural colors like deep greens and natural reds

Glorious_Platypus · July 18

Tallon_IV wrote: »

A medieval setting with robots, Daedric invasions, and dragon breaks, but dyed hair is where you draw the line?

Yes. Lol

@LunaFlora none of that matters to me. Also a breton woman having blue hair is fine if it's lore accurate. But that lore is probably not lore accurate.

duagloth · July 18

Glorious_Platypus wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

What.

Matter in what context? What does one gain from getting it right the first time? Is there some secret validation system running that I've not been familiar with?

The character creation screen has always been the DARKEST, worst lit cell .

You know what else is dark? Your consciousness before you were born. You never chose your hair color back then why should you be able to in ESO after making the character? That's what the character creation screen symbolizes, you get to have a little time playing God and decide the features of your character before they get set.

This is a "medieval" style setting where you can't just go to the barber and dye your hair or get plastic surgery, not Cyberpunk 2077. Sorry, but you're not gonna have a Dunmer with electric pink hair.

You say "but magic" - the setting has already been watered down by magic too much as it is. If you're a POWERFUL Telvanni mage and you know alteration magic, sure, whatever, you can use magic to change your hair color.

But a barber in a city is gonna be like "I don't know what kind of herbal tonic to make to dye your hair permanently that color.... Maybe temporarily... maybe??"

idk my 2 septims

You play your game your way, but thats not how MMOs work.

Glorious_Platypus · July 18

ESO simply being an MMO is not a good enough reason to water it down and make it exactly the same as* all the other MMOs by putting all the same features into it

Arunei · July 18

Glorious_Platypus wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

What.

Matter in what context? What does one gain from getting it right the first time? Is there some secret validation system running that I've not been familiar with?

The character creation screen has always been the DARKEST, worst lit cell .

You know what else is dark? Your consciousness before you were born. You never chose your hair color back then why should you be able to in ESO after making the character? That's what the character creation screen symbolizes, you get to have a little time playing God and decide the features of your character before they get set.

This is a "medieval" style setting where you can't just go to the barber and dye your hair or get plastic surgery, not Cyberpunk 2077. Sorry, but you're not gonna have a Dunmer with electric pink hair.

You say "but magic" - the setting has already been watered down by magic too much as it is. If you're a POWERFUL Telvanni mage and you know alteration magic, sure, whatever, you can use magic to change your hair color.

But a barber in a city is gonna be like "I don't know what kind of herbal tonic to make to dye your hair permanently that color.... Maybe temporarily... maybe??"

idk my 2 septims

...what?

My guy this is a game, it's not real life. A game does not need to follow weird logical stretches as to why something as basic as changing hair styles (which people have been able to do for centuries just by cutting it) or dyeing their hair (which also has been something going on for literal centuries in human history) can't exist. You try to claim "but real life!" but then want to ignore the fact that real life doesn't work the way you think it does.

Also you're the person who was upset before at not being able to delete characters infinitely because it apparently took you days to decide if you liked a name on your character and Name Change Tokens are expensive. But a person also doesn't get to change their name at birth, do they? Even though the ability to legally change one's name does exist. By your logic we shouldn't have Name Change Tokens.

You know what a person CAN'T do irl but we can do in ESO? Change our entire race. Yet somehow being able to change our hair style and color is too much? A person doesn't have to be a "POWERFUL Telvanni mage" dude, one of the most powerful mages in lore was Shalidor and he was a Nord, a race not known for being all that handy with magick.

There are magicks in the game that can literally destroy reality. There are spells that let people use portals to travel, summon beings from other realms to do their bidding, form and control elements from thin air, breathe underwater, turn their skin as hard as stone, where time is not only not linear but can actually BREAK. The stars and Sun are LITERAL holes in the sky that lead to the realm Magicka comes from. Things aren't "watered down" by magic in a setting where it LITERALLY permeates the entire universe the world exists in and is such a huge role in the lore of that world.

Glorious_Platypus · July 18

We're at 99% hedonism and I'm trying to prevent the last 1% from being put into the game.

heaven13 · July 18

Glorious_Platypus wrote: »

We're at 99% hedonism and I'm trying to prevent the last 1% from being put into the game.

Hair color is not the line to draw in the sand on this, my dude. Especially since we already have crown hairstyles that do this, as linked by LunaFlora (though apparently you don't care as long as it's lore accurate and then in the second half of your sentence admit it's likely not lore accurate anyway).

NoticeMeArkay · July 18

Let's all ignore the obvious ragebaiter and move on.

Glorious_Platypus · July 18

I'm not ragebaiting, sometimes i just like to pvp. And... I don't think you should be able to change your character after character creation.

You can pay ZOS $10 or whatever it is and do it, even that I don't like. But it's already in the game

Elvenheart · July 18

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Glorious_Platypus wrote: »

While I agree with you OP, I like the oldschool way ESO does it. It makes your decisions at character creation actually matter.

What.

Matter in what context? What does one gain from getting it right the first time? Is there some secret validation system running that I've not been familiar with?

The character creation screen has always been the DARKEST, worst lit cell anybody could every attempt to get the details on a character right. Not to forget that later aquired pieces of the style parlor are not visible in the style parlor and LOVE to change your haircolor once you equip them. And Zos knows that.

And Zos sells us the 'Retry-Button' rather than implementing a character creation screen that actually allows us to see stuff properly or all stuff that's available to us after years of playing.

We got two whole races that cannot even keep their fur or scale pattern once they apply later-in-life collected body markings.
Horns and feathers share not always the same color despite being on the same slot.
Oh you want to be a vampire? Oh that's great, hope you got lucky with the character creator before get the curse because we'll absolutely wreck your choices there.

The game doesn't have a "barber" or a better character editor cell because it "matters" but because it makes them the easiest of all coins.

I agree, I’ve been saying we need an in-game barber since the beginning. It still kills me huh back in Elsweyr, I created a new character and played through the tutorial at the time and got a skill point. After I got out of the tutorial, I realized I didn’t like the look of the character, something very minor to do with the hair color, so I deleted it and recreated it, and then without thinking skip the tutorial and lost the skill point forever. 😩

Nomadic_Atmoran · July 19

Glorious_Platypus wrote: »

While I agree with you OP, I like the oldschool way ESO does it. It makes your decisions at character creation actually matter.

But it doesn't matter because you can log in, go to the crown store and immediately buy up the hair pack and unlock every single hair style the base game offers. Switching them out in a matter of seconds so long as you dont time out.

Glorious_Platypus · July 19

Yeah the crown store transaction to pay for a appearance change is fine, I guess, not just because it provides some revenue to ZOS but also because it can be explained as an outside source from the mundus (the player is the godhead type of thing?) that rewrites history inside of the TES universe.

Shrug emoji isn't available. But imagine I put it in here lol

Toanis · July 19

Wow. I hope my barber doesn't increase prices too significantly, now that it's confirmed that haircuts rewrite the history of the universe.

Elvenheart · July 19

I would think changing your hairstyle and hair color at an in-game barber would be more realistic and lore friendly than rewriting your character’s existence by going outside the Mundus, but that’s just me. 🙂

Gagoimaliu · July 19

Elvenheart wrote: »

I would think changing your hairstyle and hair color at an in-game barber would be more realistic and lore friendly than rewriting your character’s existence by going outside the Mundus, but that’s just me. 🙂

"D-Did you just use an Elder Scroll and a Dragonbreak to change your hair?"

"Blonde was always my color"

Glorious_Platypus · July 19

Gagoimaliu wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

I would think changing your hairstyle and hair color at an in-game barber would be more realistic and lore friendly than rewriting your character’s existence by going outside the Mundus, but that’s just me. 🙂

"D-Did you just use an Elder Scroll and a Dragonbreak to change your hair?"

"Blonde was always my color"

Rookie mistake. You're also supposed to use the scroll to rewrite everyone's memories as well.

Frayton · July 19

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm fine with the hair styles being part of a pack because once we have it we can change our styles as many times as we want on all our characters with no additional cost.

But we absolutely need a hair dye pack. It's ridiculous that we have to do a complete customization of our characters just to change their hair color.

I'd be fine if we had a hair dye pack that works like the one for hairstyles. And I'd be happy with just the normal hair colors being included, but am not against having dye colors added, too.

If we can't have a barbershop, hair dye packs are a good idea.

Cin_Vhetin · July 19

Barbershop has been requested for years. QoL improvements being a recently stated priority, they probably just laid off the dev who was working on it.

But hey, lets keep up the pressure. It could happen.

Arunei · July 20

Elvenheart wrote: »

I would think changing your hairstyle and hair color at an in-game barber would be more realistic and lore friendly than rewriting your character’s existence by going outside the Mundus, but that’s just me. 🙂

Iirc can't Spinners literally change a person's past? Make the Barber a Spinner who can do Bosmer shenanigans and make it so a person's natural hair color was always X or Y.

Also I would think changing hairstyle and hair color would be more realistic than 90% of what goes on in TES but I guess we're wrong about that.

Kendaric · July 20

We should at the very least get 1 free option for an appearance change after character creation. Since the character creation screen is darker than than most areas in game and you can't really get a good impression of how your character actually looks in game.
It should also be noted that the real TES games have that option right before you leave the tutorial dungeon.

MasterSpatula · July 20

[quote="SilverBride;c-8507615" It's ridiculous that we have to do a complete customization of our characters just to change their hair color.

[/quote]

Or any other tweak, for that matter. Changing everything costs the same as nudging your mouth one increment towards a smile or frown. It was always ridiculous, and many of us called that out the day they implemented appearance change in the game.

I've never seen them so much as acknowledge the criticism.