Tallon_IV wrote: »

Where did this come from? They just buffed half of the sets lol

Yep. They buffed a lot of things. Now they're starting to nerf things again quickly despite knowing the power it was bringing us and that players had to grind for the gear.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

This nerf hasn't even happened yet. They can't win for lose lol.

There was already a pointless PVE nerf to Signet. If they do more pointless nerfs to gear that people are grinding for in some of the worst content in the game, it will infuriate them. They already knew the power surge it gave us when it was on the PTS, they still let us have it. I don't even like the power surges, but it's obvious to see that it makes people hate the game when players waste their time with a meta that disappears immediately.
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SaintJohnHM wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

This nerf hasn't even happened yet. They can't win for lose lol.

There was already a pointless PVE nerf to Signet. If they do more pointless nerfs to gear that people are grinding for in some of the worst content in the game, it will infuriate them. They already knew the power surge it gave us when it was on the PTS, they still let us have it. I don't even like the power surges, but it's obvious to see that it makes people hate the game when players waste their time with a meta that disappears immediately.
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It went from 170 to 133% but it applies status effect twice as often. I'm not sure I'd call that a nerf for pve. Maybe a very tiny one.

Edit:
Having higher uptime on effects like poisoned or bleeding might actually be a dps buff on some builds.

Gear nerfs honestly feel like a scam sometimes and not gonna lie — that's literally baseline ESO. Yet players hit close to 200k parses, up from 90k back in 2020.

It works pretty much like this: ZOS releases gear that outperforms everything else by a mile, purely as a cheap cash grab to sell new DLCs. Then the nerf cavalry arrives, but they buff skill damage and passives at the same time. The new item drops from god-tier straight to bruh-tier. Even so, players end up dealing even more damage.

NB class set got nerfed when it was interacting with another set that "overlapped" with what it was doing and caused literal invincibility not too long ago. For those that know or encountered it in PvP, they can attest to how much "fun" it was. It was a well deserved change and nerf no matter who complains about that set getting cut or how much they've grinded.

Thing is, the difficulty of getting these sets means that they aren't really being tested on live, and if they aren't tested on live if interactions like the above one happen then they may not be reported or well-known and result in a nerf.

I know I'm not farming IA and wasting my time, to test interactions between countless sets, then writing a bug report. No way. Not unless I already can see the broken or buggy interaction from a programming perspective and want to test the idea just for "fun".

I did get Arcanist's class set (whatever the one the name is that puts status effects) to stack with another set and one shot people even without the signet. Been doing that since late 2025 in BGs. That set is a sleeper, and probably will be marked for adjustment soon tbh.

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

Not enough whining on the forums lately, now we have to pre-whine about things that haven't even happened?

Yes, as opposed to waiting to see the nerfs happen and watching everyone get mad about it. Some folks think that it's better to keep things from getting broken rather than letting them break and complaining after. Thank you for your responses though, it's nice to see people try.

Which I agree with its crazy to nerf something making it below average for PvP and moderately decent for PVE. But ZOS will do what they do; we just play the game and move on!

Usureki wrote: »

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

Not enough whining on the forums lately, now we have to pre-whine about things that haven't even happened?

I think the intention of OP might have been just to warn about the drawbacks of blindly nerf interesting stuff to the ground instead of taking the time to actually think and find a balanced approach... I did my own post about it as well, but yeah, this post is just outright whining

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Only IA gear should drop in IA. Every piece of every set comes in all three weights. That's a crazy amount of time to get what we're after. Grinds this grueling are not worth the effort. This is the kind of design that causes people to leave games IMO.

ToddIngram wrote: »

Only IA gear should drop in IA. Every piece of every set comes in all three weights. That's a crazy amount of time to get what we're after. Grinds this grueling are not worth the effort. This is the kind of design that causes people to leave games IMO.

I really want to try the nightblade siphoning set and the necromancer one that gives you a DR and healing taken buff, but lordie it's tough trying to make myself actually run IA for it. The only IA set I have in active use is aetheric lancer, and it's not even 'done' technically, I just decided I'd rather use a 2h axe instead of grinding more for the specific 2h weapon I wanted.

I may get to it eventually, but it's such a bad grind I seriously consider replacing them with a crafted set, or more easily acquired non-crafted.

PrinceMeroborn wrote: »

Which I agree with its crazy to nerf something making it below average for PvP and moderately decent for PVE. But ZOS will do what they do; we just play the game and move on!

In this case though, nothing has happened yet. And as for the Signet in PvE (PvP is a whole other story) which one would you say applies in this case? Did they nerf it to the ground? Or did they balance it? Sometimes balancing can entail a nerf. I've noticed a large portion of the complaints come from people that have no actual interest in balance. I direct your attention to exhibit 'A', Update 35 *gracefully gestures in that direction*

They could have added in their while Battle spirit is active you take 50% more damage from Critical Damage.

Sluggy wrote: »

PrinceMeroborn wrote: »

Which I agree with its crazy to nerf something making it below average for PvP and moderately decent for PVE. But ZOS will do what they do; we just play the game and move on!

In this case though, nothing has happened yet. And as for the Signet in PvE (PvP is a whole other story) which one would you say applies in this case? Did they nerf it to the ground? Or did they balance it? Sometimes balancing can entail a nerf. I've noticed a large portion of the complaints come from people that have no actual interest in balance. I direct your attention to exhibit 'A', Update 35 *gracefully gestures in that direction*

No.

I would be really afraid of those players who have their set collection full.
Whatever tiny gear item ZOS nerfed, these players can always shout "I have been grinding for this set!!!"
Horrible situation! Just horrible!

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

PrinceMeroborn wrote: »

Also, why did they choose 133%? Why not choose 150%? I think it's annoying when they don't explain what their formula for balancing things out is.

Grinds my gears personally. Cannot be divided into integer cleanly and games like these when things are not in clean integer, they almost always just drop the decimal part. For example, this thing with the bear will now be 66.5% each and it will likely just be 66% instead of 67%. Hope not but that'd be 1% more nerf than the game lets on if the formular works like this.

Funny you mention that. Integer math is generally faster than floating point math, or at least it used to be. The outcome will depend on whether they truncate the fractional part or round up or something else. Hard to say, my programming experience is kinda old now.