if your only looking at dps, i would agree i think subclass is still probably going to edge out a pureclass

if your looking at other roles (support dps, tank, or healer), then its very likely certain classes will be extremely powerful in those roles (looking mostly at templar/necromancer tanking, and warden support dps/healing)

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if your looking at other roles (support dps, tank, or healer), then its very likely certain classes will be extremely powerful in those roles (looking mostly at templar/necromancer tanking, and warden support dps/healing)

The class mastery passives do nothing to help Templar tanking, because there is nothing wrong with it at present in terms of actual tanking. The massive under-representation at end-game is because a Templar tank lacks unique major group buffs - i.e. buffs you'd only find on the tank spec. And rightly or wrongly (wrongly by the way) tanks and healers are viewed as being there to provide buffs.

The passives only group wide buff is the extra 300 WD/SD, but that can be provided by a healer or DD, meaning it isn't unique.

Subclassing is acceptable only on tanks and healers for dps it leads to the same boring build.
This was an obvious consequence of subclassing and a bad design choiche made purely to sell the DLC.

ZOS you have a chance to fix it with class mastery passives please do so i want to return playing my class and not arcanist.

I don't understand the obsession with being a "pure class" or "subclass" and chasing damage numbers. If you want the best damage numbers, then you'll be running a specific build. It's operated that way in this game for a long time, how is it any different with subclassing to the point that it necessitates class masteries?

It makes no sense that they wasted time on class mastery passives to appease anyone running a "pure class," because if the intent was for classes to be competitive, they have to first be somewhat balanced. And when classes aren't balanced in different scenarios, but clearly have the same weaknesses then why not expand scribing to alleviate that so that players don't have to subclass to do it in the first place?

Instead we get another flavor of "uniqueness" that classes get, of course unequally, and of course not really tested or accounting for the possibilities they enable. What that ultimately means is that the game will simply be even more unbalanced than it is on live with some classes benefiting more than others.

The class masteries aren't going to make me take a necromancer out in PvP and PvE when the skill lines are lackluster, the corpse mechanic is bad, and scribing can't alleviate the classes major pain points. It's not happening.

I don't see anything changing for me regarding templar, or even arcanist in PvP contexts either.

I disagree with that Catalina person. The issue is not that subclassing is OP, it's that it allows you to cover holes you otherwise wouldn't. But the way you are covering it is to exchange a skill line, and skill lines themselves lack balance along with classes.

This is unlike the mythic situation where a single item set gives far too much power and covers more than one build decision, because you still are making decisions and those decisions still do come with consequences even if they are not immediately apparent.

The fact that people don't like subclassing itself has to do with what they must give up in order to do it. Ask them why and let's see their response. And we know it goes beyond just "we are all running the same build" because that was already happening before subclassing for META chasers in the first place.

Even if they got rid of subclassing, the problem of a lack of diversity will not disappear and that's because the game's core loop relies on damage at every turn. That is a problem in PvE and PvP and it makes combat one dimensional.

When combat can be simplified to just do more damage then all that matters is what allows you to do so. Which happens to be exact combinations because the skill lines are not balanced, the gear isn't balanced, the mythics aren't balanced, the CP stars are not balanced, armor lines aren't balanced, skill aren't balanced -- none of it is.

The idea that adding a few passives will somehow alleviate or moderate issues with the game's core design loop is simply misguided and a waste of time. But of course, little three star me that only fires siege all day doesn't know any better than players going deep into a dungeon fighting the same boss a trillion times or PvPers running around a tower.

Sorry i did not mention its for pvp balance

One thing maybe the class mastery will realy shine if the rework of classes come up maybe idk.

For pve i realy dont know what changed

VinnyGambini wrote: »

Nser wrote: »

Sorry i did not mention its for pvp balance

One thing maybe the class mastery will realy shine if the rework of classes come up maybe idk.

For pve i realy dont know what changed

I'm quite sure that u50 pure sorc and pure warden kills every single subclass build.

Uh hello? DK? WW?

Dracane wrote: »

hoangdz wrote: »

VinnyGambini wrote: »

Nser wrote: »

Sorry i did not mention its for pvp balance

One thing maybe the class mastery will realy shine if the rework of classes come up maybe idk.

For pve i realy dont know what changed

I'm quite sure that u50 pure sorc and pure warden kills every single subclass build.

Uh hello? DK? WW?

No, the agenda must be upheld. Only Sorc is strong, every other class is bad.

Well hold on now. Pure class templar kinda looks OP if you spin 3x, hop on 1 leg, and do a handstand.