Wizard's Addon Subclass Restriction?

coreymj78 · May 1

Has Wizard's build swap addon not been updated for subclassing? When I try to swap to a build that includes a subclassed skill line that differs from my current subclass skill line (using Herald, but want to swap to a build that uses Gravelord skill line) and it just yells at me in chat, "This skill has not been unlocked, this skill has not been unlocked" simply because I haven't selected it in the subclass panel.

Tell me this is only the case for me and not that the addon itself hasn't been updated for subclassing? If not, what can I do to fix it? Anyone have this problem?

Thanks.

lillybit · May 1

Wizards isn’t the armory, it can't swap morphs and skill lines, they need a respec

tomofhyrule · May 1

We can respec in the UI now, but that addon is still only slotting skills you have purchased. I don’t know if it’s been updated to work with free respecs, but even then it would need to be programmed to buy and morph all of the skills before slotting them.

coreymj78 · May 1

Well it sounds like we are almost there. If the UI can do it free, then the code exists and could be simply modified to work in a different UI panel: Wizard's. LOL Thanks for confirming what I thought.

It's crazy now, we have SO many layers of redundant gear systems that could be condensed into one: just ONE build manager that swaps EVERYTHING and nothing else. We don't need a system for free menu respecs (that only respec skills) + shrine respecs, scroll respecs, etc. + another system that swaps skills and gear, etc. + another system (via addon) that let's you swap builds without swapping subclassing, etc. like bro, it's nuts.

can someone either code Wizard's to do everything (including some visual things + subclass lines) OR can ZOS stop being lazy and clean this mess up?

Thanks for letting me rant.

heimdall14_9 · May 2

coreymj78 wrote: »

Well it sounds like we are almost there. If the UI can do it free, then the code exists and could be simply modified to work in a different UI panel: Wizard's. LOL Thanks for confirming what I thought.

It's crazy now, we have SO many layers of redundant gear systems that could be condensed into one: just ONE build manager that swaps EVERYTHING and nothing else. We don't need a system for free menu respecs (that only respec skills) + shrine respecs, scroll respecs, etc. + another system that swaps skills and gear, etc. + another system (via addon) that let's you swap builds without swapping subclassing, etc. like bro, it's nuts.

can someone either code Wizard's to do everything (including some visual things + subclass lines) OR can ZOS stop being lazy and clean this mess up?

Thanks for letting me rant.

in order for wizards to do what your asking it will have to break even more rules then it already does , but once its able to i hope its the straw that breaks the camels back and zos will remove these type of add-ons as they give unfair advantages that eso system limit for reasons

Treeshka · May 2

coreymj78 wrote: »

Well it sounds like we are almost there. If the UI can do it free, then the code exists and could be simply modified to work in a different UI panel: Wizard's. LOL Thanks for confirming what I thought.

It's crazy now, we have SO many layers of redundant gear systems that could be condensed into one: just ONE build manager that swaps EVERYTHING and nothing else. We don't need a system for free menu respecs (that only respec skills) + shrine respecs, scroll respecs, etc. + another system that swaps skills and gear, etc. + another system (via addon) that let's you swap builds without swapping subclassing, etc. like bro, it's nuts.

can someone either code Wizard's to do everything (including some visual things + subclass lines) OR can ZOS stop being lazy and clean this mess up?

Thanks for letting me rant.

They developed an addon like that, that auto respecs you to morphs and skill lines. Since they removed the ability to do so in leaderboard content during the test server cycle, they would not develop it i think. Because it is where it matters, and game simply does not allow it.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · May 3

The add ons are already out of control. This needs to be sorted out or even eliminated (the game was better without them) before Cross platform or you will see a massive exodus of epic proportions. Add ons should not be permitted in any leaderboard content whatsoever either.

imPDA · May 3

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

Jestir · May 3

You will want the addon "Caro's skill point saver" then

It uses the in-game free respec (which means it can't be used in leaderboard content) to swap attributes, subclassing and skill points

It doesn't completely replace the armory as Caros can't change your mundus or curse but it has its uses to free up armory slots for builds that dont need to change those. It obviously doesn't even touch wizards ability to swap gear in content as well.

coreymj78 · May 9

Thanks!

coreymj78 · May 9

Not sure I understand why it would break any rules? so if you want, just limit the ability so swap builds mid combat obviously, but between fights? why not. i asumme that is why ZOS gave us the armory merchant in the first place. All i was literally saying was i wish the armory had a simple in menu interface instead of a dumb NPC. and it also needs to incorporate all aspects, even visual appearance (motifs, etc)

heimdall14_9 · May 9

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

imPDA · May 9

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

Install the addon lol, and you will be on par. They are not restricted, not hidden from you. It is even accessible now on the console.

The fact you decided to eat with chopsticks doesn't mean all others should use them too automatically to be on par with you. Grow up.

Arunei · May 9

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

You already had a huge thread ranting about addons bad and ZOS still hasn't changed anything about them. Your opinion on things clearly doesn't align with what ZOS thinks is fine and they've nuked problematic addons in the past, so it's not like they're just ignoring a potential problem.

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

The add ons are already out of control. This needs to be sorted out or even eliminated (the game was better without them) before Cross platform or you will see a massive exodus of epic proportions. Add ons should not be permitted in any leaderboard content whatsoever either.

If you don't like them don't use them, simple as that. There's no reason to remove something other people like and makes the game easier or more convenient just because some people have a hatred of them. ZOS already blocks things in Leaderboards when people bring up the concern so that's a moot point.

Let me guess, you don't like people using Lazy Writ to do a bunch of crafting dailies faster than manually clicking a bunch of buttons? Plenty of addons do things that have nothing to do with saving time not pushing buttons.

Item Set Browser lists all the Sets in the game, where to get them, sorts them by Weight or where you get them, and so on.

Furniture Catalogue tracks all the Furniture in the game and tells you where to get it, what materials it takes if it's craftable, tracks what Blueprints you know on your characters, and so on.

Show Leads tracks all the Leads in the game and tells you where to find them, tracks which ones you can Scry or Excavate, tracks what you've already found, and things like that.

Lost Treasure marks where Treasure Maps and Surveys are on the map so you don't have to constantly use an outside source like Google to find them.

Skyshards and Lorebooks do the same thing for those particular things.

PChat lets you resize the chat box for more than vanilla ESO does, you can stretch it to cover the whole screen if you wanted. It has an option to save chat for up to 48 hours after you log out/crash, it lets you store keywords to be highlighted in chat and even to make a noise when that word is detected, it lets you copy whole chats from specific channels, and so on.

No, Thank You! blocks so many more notifications and other things than the base game does, plus it has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu.

That's just a few off the top of my head that I use (except Skyshards/Lorebooks) that don't affect other players in the slightest but make the game more convenient and enjoyable for me. I can spend more time actually in game doing things without having to consult outside sources to find things, and I can access stuff I know from a menu I can bring up on a whim instead of needing to either dig through ESO's windows to find it or go to a crafting station to find what I know.

lillybit · May 9

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

No, Thank You! has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu

Oh wow, really? I get such bad motion sickness from that spin/zoom thing. I really hope console gets something like it

heimdall14_9 · May 10

imPDA wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

Install the addon lol, and you will be on par. They are not restricted, not hidden from you. It is even accessible now on the console.

The fact you decided to eat with chopsticks doesn't mean all others should use them too automatically to be on par with you. Grow up.

sorry you need add-ons to play the game for you i myself play games to challange myself so why would i than have a bot run my game for me seems them that cant handle a challange really dont want to play eso just have add-ons do it for them , but hey we all aint made the same .... i just dont like having everything handed to me and like to work for what i get not have bots do it for me

heimdall14_9 · May 10

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

You already had a huge thread ranting about addons bad and ZOS still hasn't changed anything about them. Your opinion on things clearly doesn't align with what ZOS thinks is fine and they've nuked problematic addons in the past, so it's not like they're just ignoring a potential problem.

just because ZOS supports ADD-ONS and the disadvantages doesn't mean they aint disadvantages just simply means ZOS can be influenced to make their game unfair to the player by outside developers

heimdall14_9 · May 10

@imPDA @Arunei

and why cant one of you give me something other than insults that disproves that theres a disadvantage??????

Arunei · May 10

lillybit wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

No, Thank You! has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu

Oh wow, really? I get such bad motion sickness from that spin/zoom thing. I really hope console gets something like it

I don't know who made it, but if you go to the Minion site where you can manually download addons and search for it, you can leave a comment asking if they intend to port the addon to console or maybe even just make a specific addon for blocking the spin.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

@imPDA @Arunei

and why cant one of you give me something other than insults that disproves that theres a disadvantage??????

My guy if you think pointing out of objective fact is somehow an insult, I don't know what to tell you. Nowhere in my response did I insult you, you DID have a huge thread and it WAS ranting.

Tell me how any of the addons I listed somehow give me an "advantage" over someone who doesn't. Oh no, I can find something a bit faster than someone not using Lost Treasure can! Even though those things are instanced to me only and therefore it isn't like I'm competing with other players for the loot!

Addons like the one mentioned here can't be used in Leaderboard content. You also can't switch Skills or Gear or such while in combat so you're not able to use it in the middle of a fight in BGs or Cyro or something. It's literally just a timesaver, so please, tell us how someone saving a couple of seconds is SUCH a huge and unfair advantage compared to people NOT using them.

heimdall14_9 · May 10

Arunei wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

No, Thank You! has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu

Oh wow, really? I get such bad motion sickness from that spin/zoom thing. I really hope console gets something like it

I don't know who made it, but if you go to the Minion site where you can manually download addons and search for it, you can leave a comment asking if they intend to port the addon to console or maybe even just make a specific addon for blocking the spin.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

@imPDA @Arunei

and why cant one of you give me something other than insults that disproves that theres a disadvantage??????

My guy if you think pointing out of objective fact is somehow an insult, I don't know what to tell you. Nowhere in my response did I insult you, you DID have a huge thread and it WAS ranting.

Tell me how any of the addons I listed somehow give me an "advantage" over someone who doesn't. Oh no, I can find something a bit faster than someone not using Lost Treasure can! Even though those things are instanced to me only and therefore it isn't like I'm competing with other players for the loot!

Addons like the one mentioned here can't be used in Leaderboard content. You also can't switch Skills or Gear or such while in combat so you're not able to use it in the middle of a fight in BGs or Cyro or something. It's literally just a timesaver, so please, tell us how someone saving a couple of seconds is SUCH a huge and unfair advantage compared to people NOT using them.

wizards wardrobe is 100% able to be used in leaderboards' as its not locked out of trials like the armory is after start of a run , not ALL add-ons gives an advantage, that doesn't make them that do okay ... so again tell me how the add-on that the PO is about doesn't already give a disadvantage and how adding in respec wouldnt make that disadvantage even greater than it already is

and its quite a bit in difference 2500ms to have all actions done V ill be nice and just say 30s to do 60+ actions manually , 6 times within a SPEED RUN is a VERY BIG advantage in SCORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lillybit · May 10

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

No, Thank You! has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu

Oh wow, really? I get such bad motion sickness from that spin/zoom thing. I really hope console gets something like it

I don't know who made it, but if you go to the Minion site where you can manually download addons and search for it, you can leave a comment asking if they intend to port the addon to console or maybe even just make a specific addon for blocking the spin.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

@imPDA @Arunei

and why cant one of you give me something other than insults that disproves that theres a disadvantage??????

My guy if you think pointing out of objective fact is somehow an insult, I don't know what to tell you. Nowhere in my response did I insult you, you DID have a huge thread and it WAS ranting.

Tell me how any of the addons I listed somehow give me an "advantage" over someone who doesn't. Oh no, I can find something a bit faster than someone not using Lost Treasure can! Even though those things are instanced to me only and therefore it isn't like I'm competing with other players for the loot!

Addons like the one mentioned here can't be used in Leaderboard content. You also can't switch Skills or Gear or such while in combat so you're not able to use it in the middle of a fight in BGs or Cyro or something. It's literally just a timesaver, so please, tell us how someone saving a couple of seconds is SUCH a huge and unfair advantage compared to people NOT using them.

wizards wardrobe is 100% able to be used in leaderboards' as its not locked out of trials like the armory is after start of a run , not ALL add-ons gives an advantage, that doesn't make them that do okay ... so again tell me how the add-on that the PO is about doesn't already give a disadvantage and how adding in respec wouldnt make that disadvantage even greater than it already is

and its quite a bit in difference 2500ms to have all actions done V ill be nice and just say 30s to do 60+ actions manually , 6 times within a SPEED RUN is a VERY BIG advantage in SCORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't hijack yet another post to carry on your vendetta again addons and WW.

A good group without addons will still beat a poor one using them. There's lots of other things that will have a bigger impact on score. Worst case, you come second on the leaderboard instead of first. At least you have the moral high ground.

Now can we get back on topic please?

Edit for typos

heimdall14_9 · 12:50AM

lillybit wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

No, Thank You! has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu

Oh wow, really? I get such bad motion sickness from that spin/zoom thing. I really hope console gets something like it

I don't know who made it, but if you go to the Minion site where you can manually download addons and search for it, you can leave a comment asking if they intend to port the addon to console or maybe even just make a specific addon for blocking the spin.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

@imPDA @Arunei

and why cant one of you give me something other than insults that disproves that theres a disadvantage??????

My guy if you think pointing out of objective fact is somehow an insult, I don't know what to tell you. Nowhere in my response did I insult you, you DID have a huge thread and it WAS ranting.

Tell me how any of the addons I listed somehow give me an "advantage" over someone who doesn't. Oh no, I can find something a bit faster than someone not using Lost Treasure can! Even though those things are instanced to me only and therefore it isn't like I'm competing with other players for the loot!

Addons like the one mentioned here can't be used in Leaderboard content. You also can't switch Skills or Gear or such while in combat so you're not able to use it in the middle of a fight in BGs or Cyro or something. It's literally just a timesaver, so please, tell us how someone saving a couple of seconds is SUCH a huge and unfair advantage compared to people NOT using them.

wizards wardrobe is 100% able to be used in leaderboards' as its not locked out of trials like the armory is after start of a run , not ALL add-ons gives an advantage, that doesn't make them that do okay ... so again tell me how the add-on that the PO is about doesn't already give a disadvantage and how adding in respec wouldnt make that disadvantage even greater than it already is

and its quite a bit in difference 2500ms to have all actions done V ill be nice and just say 30s to do 60+ actions manually , 6 times within a SPEED RUN is a VERY BIG advantage in SCORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't hijack yet another post to carry on your vendetta again addons and WW.

A good group without addons will still beat a poor one using them. There's lots of other things that will have a bigger impact on score. Worst case, you come second on the leaderboard instead of first. At least you have the moral high ground.

Now can we get back on topic please?

Edit for typos

hijack a OP asking why wizards cant do more by saying what it already does hmmmmm , why do facts about wizard bug you so much that you cant discuss them when the OP is asking for more

HatchetHaro · 2:10AM

imPDA wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

Install the addon lol, and you will be on par. They are not restricted, not hidden from you. It is even accessible now on the console.

The fact you decided to eat with chopsticks doesn't mean all others should use them too automatically to be on par with you. Grow up.

Hey! Chopsticks are really good and I refuse to let you slander the most versatile utensil from my culture.

What he's doing is more like choosing to fasten nuts and bolts bare-handed rather than opening the toolbox within reach.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

Install the addon lol, and you will be on par. They are not restricted, not hidden from you. It is even accessible now on the console.

The fact you decided to eat with chopsticks doesn't mean all others should use them too automatically to be on par with you. Grow up.

sorry you need add-ons to play the game for you i myself play games to challange myself so why would i than have a bot run my game for me seems them that cant handle a challange really dont want to play eso just have add-ons do it for them , but hey we all aint made the same .... i just dont like having everything handed to me and like to work for what i get not have bots do it for me

Ah yes, the "challenge" of navigating boring menus to put on different gear rather than engaging in the actual combat loop of trials and dungeons. You do you, pal.

heimdall14_9 · 3:55AM

HatchetHaro wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

Install the addon lol, and you will be on par. They are not restricted, not hidden from you. It is even accessible now on the console.

The fact you decided to eat with chopsticks doesn't mean all others should use them too automatically to be on par with you. Grow up.

Hey! Chopsticks are really good and I refuse to let you slander the most versatile utensil from my culture.

What he's doing is more like choosing to fasten nuts and bolts bare-handed rather than opening the toolbox within reach.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

Install the addon lol, and you will be on par. They are not restricted, not hidden from you. It is even accessible now on the console.

The fact you decided to eat with chopsticks doesn't mean all others should use them too automatically to be on par with you. Grow up.

sorry you need add-ons to play the game for you i myself play games to challange myself so why would i than have a bot run my game for me seems them that cant handle a challange really dont want to play eso just have add-ons do it for them , but hey we all aint made the same .... i just dont like having everything handed to me and like to work for what i get not have bots do it for me

Ah yes, the "challenge" of navigating boring menus to put on different gear rather than engaging in the actual combat loop of trials and dungeons. You do you, pal.

with how gear works and the need to switch out gear for boss fights for trash fights , AOE fights V direct damage fights , knowing what gears what skills you'll want to use and switching in and out of them as fast as possible adds to the OVER ALL challange of trials especially for top tier SPEED RUNS , human errors in switching out gear sets can cost a group lot more than just time

lillybit · 8:43AM

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

No, Thank You! has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu

Oh wow, really? I get such bad motion sickness from that spin/zoom thing. I really hope console gets something like it

I don't know who made it, but if you go to the Minion site where you can manually download addons and search for it, you can leave a comment asking if they intend to port the addon to console or maybe even just make a specific addon for blocking the spin.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

@imPDA @Arunei

and why cant one of you give me something other than insults that disproves that theres a disadvantage??????

My guy if you think pointing out of objective fact is somehow an insult, I don't know what to tell you. Nowhere in my response did I insult you, you DID have a huge thread and it WAS ranting.

Tell me how any of the addons I listed somehow give me an "advantage" over someone who doesn't. Oh no, I can find something a bit faster than someone not using Lost Treasure can! Even though those things are instanced to me only and therefore it isn't like I'm competing with other players for the loot!

Addons like the one mentioned here can't be used in Leaderboard content. You also can't switch Skills or Gear or such while in combat so you're not able to use it in the middle of a fight in BGs or Cyro or something. It's literally just a timesaver, so please, tell us how someone saving a couple of seconds is SUCH a huge and unfair advantage compared to people NOT using them.

wizards wardrobe is 100% able to be used in leaderboards' as its not locked out of trials like the armory is after start of a run , not ALL add-ons gives an advantage, that doesn't make them that do okay ... so again tell me how the add-on that the PO is about doesn't already give a disadvantage and how adding in respec wouldnt make that disadvantage even greater than it already is

and its quite a bit in difference 2500ms to have all actions done V ill be nice and just say 30s to do 60+ actions manually , 6 times within a SPEED RUN is a VERY BIG advantage in SCORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't hijack yet another post to carry on your vendetta again addons and WW.

A good group without addons will still beat a poor one using them. There's lots of other things that will have a bigger impact on score. Worst case, you come second on the leaderboard instead of first. At least you have the moral high ground.

Now can we get back on topic please?

Edit for typos

hijack a OP asking why wizards cant do more by saying what it already does hmmmmm , why do facts about wizard bug you so much that you cant discuss them when the OP is asking for more

Honestly, if i wanted to have the same argument over and over again with someone who invents "facts" to suit themselves and refuses to accept actual facts, I would have stayed married to my first husband.

Nothing you're saying is new, adds nothing to the original conversation, and has been proven to be a huge distortion or just plain wrong many times before.

So if that's all this post is going to be now I'll be bowing out, but I'll leave you with my best wishes and this thought;

"Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference"

heimdall14_9 · 9:20AM

lillybit wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

No, Thank You! has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu

Oh wow, really? I get such bad motion sickness from that spin/zoom thing. I really hope console gets something like it

I don't know who made it, but if you go to the Minion site where you can manually download addons and search for it, you can leave a comment asking if they intend to port the addon to console or maybe even just make a specific addon for blocking the spin.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

@imPDA @Arunei

and why cant one of you give me something other than insults that disproves that theres a disadvantage??????

My guy if you think pointing out of objective fact is somehow an insult, I don't know what to tell you. Nowhere in my response did I insult you, you DID have a huge thread and it WAS ranting.

Tell me how any of the addons I listed somehow give me an "advantage" over someone who doesn't. Oh no, I can find something a bit faster than someone not using Lost Treasure can! Even though those things are instanced to me only and therefore it isn't like I'm competing with other players for the loot!

Addons like the one mentioned here can't be used in Leaderboard content. You also can't switch Skills or Gear or such while in combat so you're not able to use it in the middle of a fight in BGs or Cyro or something. It's literally just a timesaver, so please, tell us how someone saving a couple of seconds is SUCH a huge and unfair advantage compared to people NOT using them.

wizards wardrobe is 100% able to be used in leaderboards' as its not locked out of trials like the armory is after start of a run , not ALL add-ons gives an advantage, that doesn't make them that do okay ... so again tell me how the add-on that the PO is about doesn't already give a disadvantage and how adding in respec wouldnt make that disadvantage even greater than it already is

and its quite a bit in difference 2500ms to have all actions done V ill be nice and just say 30s to do 60+ actions manually , 6 times within a SPEED RUN is a VERY BIG advantage in SCORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't hijack yet another post to carry on your vendetta again addons and WW.

A good group without addons will still beat a poor one using them. There's lots of other things that will have a bigger impact on score. Worst case, you come second on the leaderboard instead of first. At least you have the moral high ground.

Now can we get back on topic please?

Edit for typos

hijack a OP asking why wizards cant do more by saying what it already does hmmmmm , why do facts about wizard bug you so much that you cant discuss them when the OP is asking for more

Honestly, if i wanted to have the same argument over and over again with someone who invents "facts" to suit themselves and refuses to accept actual facts, I would have stayed married to my first husband.

Nothing you're saying is new, adds nothing to the original conversation, and has been proven to be a huge distortion or just plain wrong many times before.

So if that's all this post is going to be now I'll be bowing out, but I'll leave you with my best wishes and this thought;

"Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference"

you tell me one part of anything ive said about the add-on thats not true ?? not just say it show it because nothing ive ever said is wrong, fake or flues , the fact that zos has supported these actions has been why i havent been supporting eso in anyway for the last 6 months outside of playing it only for 1 weekend in NM .... so again what have i ever said thats untrue about anything ??

wizards wardrobe

automatically changes gear, skills, cp, in 2500ms , can be used in leaderboards', gives a major advantage in SPEED RUNS , not blocked in trials , made zos revert UI respec to fit its functionality so that subclassing couldnt be adding into it , that its a exploration of the game, just because eso developers wants to support out-side developers more than keep to their own CoC / ToS /add-on tearms of use doesnt disprove that theres a clear disadvantage that wizard's makes for the players of the game that dont want to have add-ons running it for them

its funny how you are the one ( second to do so ) bringing up passed post / comments from old post but never no fact to DISPROVE ANYTHING I SAY WITH HARD FACTS LIKE IDK IT TAKES 3500MS NOT 2500MS IT CANT DO ALL GEAR IT ONLY CAN DO PART , PROVE A POINT NOT DOWN TALK THE POSTER

rockDokRock · 9:24AM

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

The add ons are already out of control. This needs to be sorted out or even eliminated (the game was better without them) before Cross platform or you will see a massive exodus of epic proportions. Add ons should not be permitted in any leaderboard content whatsoever either.

The game was better off without add ons? Wow, firmly DISAGREE. The lazy writ crafter is the only reason I bother doing my daily writs anymore.

You do know you can just choose to not use them and not spoil it for everyone else right?

frogthroat · 10:06AM

AFAIK WW will never be updated for subclassing. In leaderboard content respec is not possible, so it would not work there anyway. And this addon is mainly for the end game content where swapping setups in the middle of a trial is important.

Avran_Sylt · 10:52AM

Arunei wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

No, Thank You! has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu

Oh wow, really? I get such bad motion sickness from that spin/zoom thing. I really hope console gets something like it

I don't know who made it, but if you go to the Minion site where you can manually download addons and search for it, you can leave a comment asking if they intend to port the addon to console or maybe even just make a specific addon for blocking the spin.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

@imPDA @Arunei

and why cant one of you give me something other than insults that disproves that theres a disadvantage??????

My guy if you think pointing out of objective fact is somehow an insult, I don't know what to tell you. Nowhere in my response did I insult you, you DID have a huge thread and it WAS ranting.

Tell me how any of the addons I listed somehow give me an "advantage" over someone who doesn't. Oh no, I can find something a bit faster than someone not using Lost Treasure can! Even though those things are instanced to me only and therefore it isn't like I'm competing with other players for the loot!

Addons like the one mentioned here can't be used in Leaderboard content. You also can't switch Skills or Gear or such while in combat so you're not able to use it in the middle of a fight in BGs or Cyro or something. It's literally just a timesaver, so please, tell us how someone saving a couple of seconds is SUCH a huge and unfair advantage compared to people NOT using them.

Well, unless Wizards is disabled in PvP areas entirely like the Armory Assistant there's a distinct advantage in easily swapping builds while travelling in Cyro/IC. Don't use the addon myself, but if it doesn't break you out of stealth it can be good for swapping into/out of the sentry set while out of line of sight to use the 3rd person camera to spot gankers. You typically respawn out of combat in BGs unless using a heavy DoT build, which facilitates "class switching" if fast enough. I swap between a ranged build or melee depending on how the match is going, but manually (running an oakensoul build). I do wonder if WW (or similar) is disabled in unranked modes, or if you can UI respec (time to test: yes, in standard BG's you can still respec class lines too!).

Not to mention the various PvP addons that give you blaring dodge prompts for abilities whose audio components you might miss/not be able to react to as fast to without that visual component at the center of the screen reducing the skill-floor for defensive combat.

Daily Writs are also a way to make gold and get resources, and when using Lazy Writ crafter, in a shorter timeframe. None of which are bound to you and influence the economy: get more faster using this addon. (though I doubt this ever gets addressed, gives grind-minded players more reason to buy extra character slots).

Hell I use Harvestmap.

Addons can give an advantage, sometimes significantly (especially in PvP where a couple of seconds can mean being in execute range or not).

heimdall14_9 · 10:56AM

Add-on Terms of Use 1 (iii) undue or unfair burden to the Game, its Services, including customer service support, and/or to other users.
id have to say a disadvantage is a burden on the player
made zos revert UI respec
so it has been and still is a burden on the game development / other players

Code of Conduct 5.2 In relation to online/competitive games, you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax game

automatic , 2500ms gear , skill , cp change id have to say that gives a BIG DISADVANTAGE in SPEED RUNS and leaderborads of trials
bypasses in game systems that blocks armory use in trials

them are just the facts dont attack the poster attack the facts

heimdall14_9 · 11:19AM

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

Why restrict addons which can do the same thing what you already can do manually, but faster? Is it a big deal? I can swap gear by opening inventory and pressing Equip 5 times (to change one set), 6 seconds at most, with addon it is 1-2 seconds. What's the point of removing it then? It will just make people 5-10 seconds slower and less satisfied.

the add-on takes 2500ms to switch out full gear, weapons, jewelry, skills and cp automatically , its totally impossible to get anywhere close to its time manually and in SPEED RUNS that time matters 100% so without the add-on you are 100% at a disadvantage.. something no add-on should make the players have/be in as it makes the add-on 100% MANDATORY

No, Thank You! has options for not spinning your character and zooming in when you open a menu or the "pause" menu

Oh wow, really? I get such bad motion sickness from that spin/zoom thing. I really hope console gets something like it

I don't know who made it, but if you go to the Minion site where you can manually download addons and search for it, you can leave a comment asking if they intend to port the addon to console or maybe even just make a specific addon for blocking the spin.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

@imPDA @Arunei

and why cant one of you give me something other than insults that disproves that theres a disadvantage??????

My guy if you think pointing out of objective fact is somehow an insult, I don't know what to tell you. Nowhere in my response did I insult you, you DID have a huge thread and it WAS ranting.

Tell me how any of the addons I listed somehow give me an "advantage" over someone who doesn't. Oh no, I can find something a bit faster than someone not using Lost Treasure can! Even though those things are instanced to me only and therefore it isn't like I'm competing with other players for the loot!

Addons like the one mentioned here can't be used in Leaderboard content. You also can't switch Skills or Gear or such while in combat so you're not able to use it in the middle of a fight in BGs or Cyro or something. It's literally just a timesaver, so please, tell us how someone saving a couple of seconds is SUCH a huge and unfair advantage compared to people NOT using them.

Well, unless Wizards is disabled in PvP areas entirely like the Armory Assistant there's a distinct advantage in easily swapping builds while travelling in Cyro/IC. Don't use the addon myself, but if it doesn't break you out of stealth it can be good for swapping into/out of the sentry set while out of line of sight to use the 3rd person camera to spot gankers. You typically respawn out of combat in BGs unless using a heavy DoT build, which facilitates "class switching" if fast enough. I swap between a ranged build or melee depending on how the match is going, but manually (running an oakensoul build). I do wonder if WW (or similar) is disabled in unranked modes, or if you can UI respec (time to test: yes, in standard BG's you can still respec class lines too!).

Not to mention the various PvP addons that give you blaring dodge prompts for abilities whose audio components you might miss/not be able to react to as fast to without that visual component at the center of the screen reducing the skill-floor for defensive combat.

Daily Writs are also a way to make gold and get resources, and when using Lazy Writ crafter, in a shorter timeframe. None of which are bound to you and influence the economy: get more faster using this addon. (though I doubt this ever gets addressed, gives grind-minded players more reason to buy extra character slots).

Hell I use Harvestmap.

Addons can give an advantage, sometimes significantly (especially in PvP where a couple of seconds can mean being in execute range or not).

i wont get into the disadvantages it has in pvp for not using it even tho it two has a leaderborad system , a ranking system , AP, that all befit from this add-on