On pts it's a 10:1 conversion, which is not great but it's something.
For most people it's not worth it, but while I do think they should have some repeatable claimable so you can get somethimg other than gold, I think it's good that the main tome can be finished this early. I play nearly every day, have not gone over the 12 limit on weeklies and am only halfway through the tome. It's good the tome is achievable by the more casual players otherwise it would be too much of a grind. Plus it still has to be reasonably achievable by the premium buyers.

I honestly like it the way it is - it means I don't "need" to grind brainless chores for about 8 weeks until the hamster wheel resets, and can actually just play the game normally without even looking at them (I decided to do the chores this time for the currencies and the furnishings - if I'll participate in a season will always depend on if I'm interested in the offers).

The thing I find a little strange though is that no rate for the gold conversion was officially communicated anywhere yet. I would think that's important info about the whole system and needs to be adressed clearly and early enough. If that doesn't happen, it will probably lead to avoidable drama - people who keep grinding and will be disappointed about getting too little for it (from their point of view), or people who stopped grinding because they didn't know they get anything for the excess points and then complain about having missed out on something.

Even though I messed up by opening too many caches, I agree with Syldras and am glad I don't "have" to do anything else, though I am still harvesting just because it's "on the way."

I'd rather have a repeatable tri-pot or crown food claim than a 10-1 gold ratio.

L_Nici wrote: »

Maybe they should add a few rewards you can take multiple times in the next seasons. For example the Tristatpotions could easily be a 5x reward or something.

I was originally under the impression that things on the bonus pages could be bought multiple times. Very disappointed finding out that was not the case.

Number_51 wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

Maybe they should add a few rewards you can take multiple times in the next seasons. For example the Tristatpotions could easily be a 5x reward or something.

I was originally under the impression that things on the bonus pages could be bought multiple times. Very disappointed finding out that was not the case.

Exactly. Why are there „bonus pages“ if they are just two additional regular pages?
Give us a Tome Point sink where we can spend as many points into something we like after we opened all pages…

Personally I will not be going out of my way to get much more. I need 1350 more to finish all my rewards. Then another for the carry over 2000... but after that I'm only going to let the challenges happen passively, so I don't expect to collect much more through the season.

The 10:1 ratio is too low imo. I'm pretty sure under the absolute best of best re-rolls you can net 3000 a week, but normally its closer to 2000. So you're looking at 20,000-30,000 a week - BUT many of these tasks demand ~an hour of investment (Dungeons, materials)... EACH. For the time to payoff, its not worth it.

Realistically doing all your challenges will net you about ~25k a week. You're looking at 8-9 weeks (Depending how much this week counts). So you COULD net ~200k at the end of the season... but that also assumes you did ALL your weekly tasks every week. That's alot of time investment for a payout you won't see for another 2 months.

Are you willing to spend an approximate 20 hours over the next 2 months purely for 200,000k that's the real question you have to ask yourself.

Whatever passively stacks up - so be it. But imo its not worth actively pursuing just for the gold because you could make more gold in that time doing otherwise.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

10:1 means for 5000 tome points you get 500 gold? Thats a bit ridiculous tbh and not really worth it at all vs. any other gold making option

No you get 10 gold for every Tome point. 5000 Tome Points = 50,000 gold.

And to tack on my own opinions about the end of season... I think the Auto Claim is awful at a baseline. If it was an Opt-in system that would be one thing, but knowing I HAVE to spend my points on trash potions and wayshrine charts and crap in order to save 2000 is just bunk.

AScarlato wrote: »

I'd rather have a repeatable tri-pot or crown food claim than a 10-1 gold ratio.

This. Seems like the best solution, even if it would be 500-700 points per stack or even more.

I remember suggesting a while ago that it should be a more generous conversion. I am pretty disappointed that suggestion wasn’t taken. It should be at least 100:1. The content is supposed to last months, where you can otherwise make a lot of money.

Destai wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

We do have to remember that this is the first one. The rewards overall were bad. Nothing was themed to the season. Everything seemed like stuff they thought wouldn't sell on the crown store. I took it as more of a proof of concept. While their communication dropped off after they sold us tomes, they are still listening. They know it's in their best interest to make a pass people wanna buy. Not everyone feels like there's a gun to their head, that if tomes fails ESO fails. Especially now that it's shown to work. Next season is already shaping up to have better rewards, themed stuff around the season. I'm going to give them some leeway. I would like the thing I suggested above though.

I mean they were given the suggestions to just rollover the points and decided it was better to have a more reserved payout ratio.

I do think that Tomes’ success is ESO’s success. As such, I am worried about the game’s future. They needed to get this right and I don’t think it’s fair to give leeway given the game’s history. The game is older now, I am absolutely not treating a monetization system as POC.

They’re getting feedback, they’re listening and engaging, but then not always implementing our suggestions. Sorry, but I don’t think it’s fair to buy tomes with that context.

Completely understandable. Though I'm not sure why anyone expected they would let unlimited points roll over. Even having 2000 is pretty generous, most games they just disappear. Though, those are more established and have good sinks. They for sure needed to get it right, I'm inclined to say they got enough. I'll be interested to see how much they correct over this year though.

We're what, like, a third of the way through the season? And I've collected pretty well everything I want including all of the premium collectibles without even using caches. Gold is nice, but to agree with others, I would love something like a repeatable tri pot tome point sink

Destai wrote: »

They’re getting feedback, they’re listening and engaging, but then not always implementing our suggestions. I mean they were given the suggestions to just rollover the points and decided it was better to have a more reserved payout ratio.

The major problem with a larger carryover is that it compounds the issue in later Tomes. I will have purchased everything that I want to purchase by the end of the season. Starting off with that excess carrying over means I'll be done with next season's Tome even faster, so I'm actually OK with 2K (basically Page 2 unlocked). I'd also be OK with a repeatable 25K gold for 100 points or 50K for 200 points somewhere on the Bonus Pages. AP would be a problematic purchase option (effectively buying rank), but other in-game currencies could also work.

They need to get the Art Team to make a whole bunch of new items for the Tome pages. New costumes, houses, mounts, furniture etc. Maybe 4-5 new items each season.

Not stuff we have had previous. But new items.

Still 63 days remaining in this "season", have claimed everything and still have over 5000 tomes left, that won't be used.

I like the rewards the way they are.

As someone who powererd through the tome for the last month, I now have a well deserved 2 months break, where I can priorize the things I actually want to do (culling Wrothgar wildlife was definitely nowhere on that list.). For challenges I accidentally finish I still get some gold in the end. That's a nice bonus, but not an incentive to go out of my way to do them.

Also for new/returning players it's great when you can still easily get all rewards when you join halfway into the season.

I'd rather have them put some effort into new stuff that can be bought for trade bars.

They 1000% should make the Bonus Pages repeatable purchases. Even if it's just small amounts of currency or Pots or 150% Exp Scrolls, at least give us the option to spend spare Points on stuff we will actually use or want instead of forcing us into things we don't want with the auto-buy and then giving such a small amount of Gold for any left over. Because what's even the point of giving us a choice of what we want if the things we didn't actively buy are forced onto us anyway? And that amount of Gold is so low most people aren't going to care about it.

My main account, even after all told about maybe two or so weeks of not being on, is still almost done with unlocking the full Free Tome. My alt is only on page 4 or so I think but even then I'll easily get everything unlocked there as long as I'm doing stuff one or twice a week on average. And don't get me wrong, it's GOOD that stuff can be unlocked that easily. It means even with different tasks being worth different amounts, people will generally be able to get the Free Tomes fully unlocked every Season.

But once it's unlocked there's just no point in bothering with getting more Points, which causes engagement with the system to plummet, which obviously isn't good. Making it so people can repeatedly buy stuff means people have an incentive to keep doing Challenges if they want to but aren't forced to. It also means the thing with being able to double up on Challenges after unlocking the Bonus Pages more enticing because now you're getting MORE Points to keep getting stuff with. But why bother with that particular mechanic after you get everything and have nothing to spend all those extra Points on?