Zos, we need an explanation
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coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't forget DK got buffed on top of it all lol. Oh my god that's actually hilarious.Hoping for more playable races.
I just want werewolf to be viable in endgame PvE T.T (which not allowed according to PTS update 50)11 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »
I said it multiple times, I'll say it again, they don't want any balance. They just hate NB and want us to suffer, there are no other logical explanations to what is going on4 -
Soarora✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I’m not really a nightblade player so it doesn’t affect me but I’m also confused. Nightblade suffers from being an incredibly single-target class in a world full of AoE… it SHOULD be the highest parsing class on the dummy because compared to other classes, it’ll suffer in content. It SHOULD be the highest damaging class in single target because single target is all nightblade has.[PC/NA] Dungeoneer (Tank/DPS), Retired Trialist, and amateur Battlegrounder (DPS) with a passion for The Elder Scrolls lore.- Current GM of Hard Dungeoneers
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ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭✭They should give nightblade and templar players their own server so they can be competitive somewhere.
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coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »They should give nightblade and templar players their own server so they can be competitive somewhere.
Necromancer too. These three classes are STRUGGLINGHoping for more playable races.
I just want werewolf to be viable in endgame PvE T.T (which not allowed according to PTS update 50)2 -
Jestir✭✭✭✭✭As always there is a giant disconnect between pve and pvp, in pve nightblade was over performing and DK was arguable the second worst class only ahead of templar3 -
ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »They should give nightblade and templar players their own server so they can be competitive somewhere.
Necromancer too. These three classes are STRUGGLING
Necromacer has very strong class masteries and will be ranking ahead of nightblade and templar by a pretty good margin in PvE and especially PvP.1 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As always there is a giant disconnect between pve and pvp, in pve nightblade was over performing and DK was arguable the second worst class only ahead of templar
Okay then Templar is the only one that still just sucks across the board?Hoping for more playable races.
I just want werewolf to be viable in endgame PvE T.T (which not allowed according to PTS update 50)0 -
Jestir✭✭✭✭✭
Yeah pure Templar is kinda just all around horrendous
Low damage, awful sustain and very little pure class group utility (only bringing the w/s damage mastery)Edited by Jestir on 4 May 2026 17:250 -
ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭✭
Templar has no consistent delayed burst and a very bad spammable in PvP. They might be able to be a support in PvE. But yeah you have it right.0 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yay, and templar is my main class LOL.Hoping for more playable races.
I just want werewolf to be viable in endgame PvE T.T (which not allowed according to PTS update 50)0 -
Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭
✭As always there is a giant disconnect between pve and pvp, in pve nightblade was over performing and DK was arguable the second worst class only ahead of templar
Was it even overperforming in pve ? what was pure nb parsing compared to other class? I know I saw 180k+ on dk/ww and sorcEdited by Alchimiste1 on 4 May 2026 17:442 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »As always there is a giant disconnect between pve and pvp, in pve nightblade was over performing and DK was arguable the second worst class only ahead of templar
Was it even overperforming in pve ? what was pure nb parsing compared to other class? I know I saw 180k+ on dk/ww and sorc
NB + WW was hitting 200k+.
Not sure what pureBlade was doing by itself.0 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭As always there is a giant disconnect between pve and pvp, in pve nightblade was over performing and DK was arguable the second worst class only ahead of templar
No. They nerfed NB into the ground specifically in PVP with absurd battle spirit 80% and 50% nerf of passives that are not great to begin withEdited by Prionyx on 4 May 2026 17:581 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »
Templar has no consistent delayed burst and a very bad spammable in PvP. They might be able to be a support in PvE. But yeah you have it right.
At lease there is delayed burst... We are not allowed to have at least thisEdited by Prionyx on 4 May 2026 17:590 -
IncultaWolf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I want pure nightblade to be strong too so more people play with cloak and I can sniff them out on the new werewolf 🐺1 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »As always there is a giant disconnect between pve and pvp, in pve nightblade was over performing and DK was arguable the second worst class only ahead of templar
Was it even overperforming in pve ? what was pure nb parsing compared to other class? I know I saw 180k+ on dk/ww and sorc
NB + WW was hitting 200k+.
Not sure what pureBlade was doing by itself.
Then nerf werewolf instead... Or disable class masteries for werewolf and compensate it in some way, what the hellEdited by Prionyx on 4 May 2026 18:222 -
danko355✭✭✭✭It seems we can’t play our pure nightblades until summer 2027, what a pity. With no guarantees the rework will actually benefit us, considering the recent tendencies with treating the nightblade as a “single target max crit” class without any other possible build variations.0 -
acanca✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »ItsNotLiving wrote: »They should give nightblade and templar players their own server so they can be competitive somewhere.
Necromancer too. These three classes are STRUGGLING
Necromacer has very strong class masteries and will be ranking ahead of nightblade and templar by a pretty good margin in PvE and especially PvP.
Which class masteries are these so i can try them out? Havent really seen a single good necro in pts, only some tanky people who went down anyway after a while. If there is a good necro build in pts i wanna try it out0 -
ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »ItsNotLiving wrote: »They should give nightblade and templar players their own server so they can be competitive somewhere.
Necromancer too. These three classes are STRUGGLING
Necromacer has very strong class masteries and will be ranking ahead of nightblade and templar by a pretty good margin in PvE and especially PvP.
Which class masteries are these so i can try them out? Havent really seen a single good necro in pts, only some tanky people who went down anyway after a while. If there is a good necro build in pts i wanna try it out
Being tanky > nothing0 -
Can the devs provide some insight as to what is driving their decision making as to balance changes. These changes feel so unmoored from the actual experience of veteran players. Kinda feels like random *** go at the moment
We do a little PvPing."Do you mean, where were the Khajiit when the Dragon Broke? R'leyt tells you where: recording it. 'One thousand eight years,' you've heard it. You think the Cyro-Nordics came up with that all on their own. You humans are better thieves than even Rajhin! While you were fighting wars with phantoms and giving birth to your own fathers, it was the Mane that watched the ja-Kha'jay, because the moons were the only constant, and you didn't have the sugar to see it. We'll give you credit: you broke Alkosh something fierce, and that's not easy. Just don't think you solved what you accomplished by it, or can ever solve it. You did it again with Big Walker, not once, but twice! Once at Rimmen, which we'll never learn to live with. The second time it was in Daggerfall, or was it Sentinel, or was it Wayrest, or was it in all three places at once? Get me, Cyrodiil? When will you wake up and realize what really happened to the Dwarves?"2 -
Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »As always there is a giant disconnect between pve and pvp, in pve nightblade was over performing and DK was arguable the second worst class only ahead of templar
Was it even overperforming in pve ? what was pure nb parsing compared to other class? I know I saw 180k+ on dk/ww and sorc
NB + WW was hitting 200k+.
Not sure what pureBlade was doing by itself.
Then nerf werewolf instead... Or disable class masteries for werewolf and compensate it in some way, what the hell
It’s mostly Signet and class masteries.
Disable signet, give it the same pick 2 out of 5 via ‘werewolf masteries’ with small numerical values or things like: ‘Hircine’s howl’ provides 50% of its healing to other werewolves within 8m’.
Ez fix, everyone wins.
Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
ESO player since 2014 (Xbox and PC for PTS)
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CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »ItsNotLiving wrote: »They should give nightblade and templar players their own server so they can be competitive somewhere.
Necromancer too. These three classes are STRUGGLING
Necromacer has very strong class masteries and will be ranking ahead of nightblade and templar by a pretty good margin in PvE and especially PvP.
Maybe in PvE but PvP? Did we read the same masteries? Necro literally only has 4 out of 5 masteries available to them in PvP. They have a mastery straight up unusable in PvP. Not nerfed or tweaked; it literally doesnt function in PvP.
They're going to be incredibly tanky I'll give you that, but they're not getting nearly as much damage as any other class with their masteries and they're already a class lacking in damage.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on 4 May 2026 19:483 -
ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »ItsNotLiving wrote: »ItsNotLiving wrote: »They should give nightblade and templar players their own server so they can be competitive somewhere.
Necromancer too. These three classes are STRUGGLING
Necromacer has very strong class masteries and will be ranking ahead of nightblade and templar by a pretty good margin in PvE and especially PvP.
Maybe in PvE but PvP? Did we read the same masteries? Necro literally only has 4 out of 5 masteries available to them in PvP. They have a mastery straight up unusable in PvP. Not nerfed or tweaked; it literally doesnt function in PvP.
They're going to be incredibly tanky I'll give you that, but they're not getting nearly as much damage as any other class with their masteries and they're already a class lacking in damage.
Blastbones > PotL by a mile Templar kit is worse than necromancer. Necromancer is clunky and has goofy mechanics but Templar does not function in PvP in u50. Being tanky with infinite stamina is better than every single Templar mastery.1 -
ceruulean✭✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »ItsNotLiving wrote: »ItsNotLiving wrote: »They should give nightblade and templar players their own server so they can be competitive somewhere.
Necromancer too. These three classes are STRUGGLING
Necromacer has very strong class masteries and will be ranking ahead of nightblade and templar by a pretty good margin in PvE and especially PvP.
Maybe in PvE but PvP? Did we read the same masteries? Necro literally only has 4 out of 5 masteries available to them in PvP. They have a mastery straight up unusable in PvP. Not nerfed or tweaked; it literally doesnt function in PvP.
They're going to be incredibly tanky I'll give you that, but they're not getting nearly as much damage as any other class with their masteries and they're already a class lacking in damage.
Blastbones > PotL by a mile Templar kit is worse than necromancer. Necromancer is clunky and has goofy mechanics but Templar does not function in PvP in u50. Being tanky with infinite stamina is better than every single Templar mastery.
Yes, at least if necro is tanky and has good sustain you can run 2 or a 3rd monster damage set to make up for lack of damage. And necro DPS line has the most overloaded damage passives, it's only balanced by how clunky the skills are. Meanwhile templars defense has always been OP healing but it requires good reaction time and it doesn't scale against 1vX like damage mitigation does. Now dmg is so high that templars cannot react. Until plars get an HP-scaling shield, better sustain/cheaper skills, innate damage reduction, or a lower cooldown on their restoring light auto block, they're just gonna stay [snip]
[edited for profanity bypass]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 5 May 2026 11:410 -
Jestir✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »As always there is a giant disconnect between pve and pvp, in pve nightblade was over performing and DK was arguable the second worst class only ahead of templar
Was it even overperforming in pve ? what was pure nb parsing compared to other class? I know I saw 180k+ on dk/ww and sorc
NB + WW was hitting 200k+.
Not sure what pureBlade was doing by itself.
A few pure NB parses that I had seen were a single exe crit away from 200k, it wasn't the 220k Sorc had been hitting before but it also was actually viable in content (although NBs natural lack of cleave would continue to be an issue). I think people have guesstimated about a 10k drop which would still leave it in a solid place but I have yet to see any new parses from today2 -
Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭
✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »As always there is a giant disconnect between pve and pvp, in pve nightblade was over performing and DK was arguable the second worst class only ahead of templar
Was it even overperforming in pve ? what was pure nb parsing compared to other class? I know I saw 180k+ on dk/ww and sorc
NB + WW was hitting 200k+.
Not sure what pureBlade was doing by itself.
A few pure NB parses that I had seen were a single exe crit away from 200k, it wasn't the 220k Sorc had been hitting before but it also was actually viable in content (although NBs natural lack of cleave would continue to be an issue). I think people have guesstimated about a 10k drop which would still leave it in a solid place but I have yet to see any new parses from today
This is slightly off topic since this post was made with regards to PvP but can you share any of those cmxs you saw ? You can blur the names, I’m just curious to see the setup0 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The Crit Damage Mastery nerf is whatever for PvE, I'd even say fair, but the fact that it only gives 5% Crit Damage/Healing in PvP must be some sort of joke. Further evidence ZOS doesn't understand PvP context, let alone what Critical Resistance really is or how it's built for.
1 more week though, y'all NB mains could get it fixed in time if you scream loud enough. 😅1 -
IncultaWolf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »The Crit Damage Mastery nerf is whatever for PvE, I'd even say fair, but the fact that it only gives 5% Crit Damage/Healing in PvP must be some sort of joke. Further evidence ZOS doesn't understand PvP context, let alone what Critical Resistance really is or how it's built for.
1 more week though, y'all NB mains could get it fixed in time if you scream loud enough. 😅
I've seen like 2 nightblade mains during this pts cycle. Sorc mains are a lot more vocal on the forums I guess.0