Night Market House Issue

TairenSoul · April 30

Is anyone else not thrilled that certain parts of the house are locked unless you play specific content? The previous "free" homes that I'm aware of have never had this. The issue for me is that most group players can solo content alone, but most solo players can't do group content alone. Shouldn't free homes be free to everyone and not just a certain group of players? This is just my opinion and food for thought.

LunaFlora · April 30

Hall of the Lunar Champion.
To unlock all of its rooms you need to finish the zone stories for Northern and Southern Elsweyr, Lair of Maarselok dungeon, and Moongrave Fane dungeon.

not the exact same requirements, but similar.

TairenSoul · April 30

Interesting. I have the whole Lunar Champion house open. I have never set foot inside Lair of Maarselok or Moongrave Fane.

ETA: So I just looked this up. I did see something about Moongrave Fane. I did Elsweyr when it first came out and it's possible I don't recall going there. I read that to get that tablet you need to do Moongrave Fane on NORMAL. Not the same. I do not consider NM on par with a normal dungeon.

LunaFlora · April 30

to unlock the Moongrave Fane room in the Hall you need the Scalebreaker Scout achievement, which requires you to complete both dungeons on Normal mode.

so you need to have done that to have the whole house open

TairenSoul · April 30

LunaFlora wrote: »

to unlock the Moongrave Fane room in the Hall you need the Scalebreaker Scout achievement, which requires you to complete both dungeons on Normal mode.

so you need to have done that to have the whole house open

Yes, on NORMAL. It would be nice to have NM be either NORMAL or VET like most dungeons.

LunaFlora · April 30

i agree with that!
it would be awesome if Night Market had a normal difficulty mode.

it is indeed not the same, which i said in my first comment.
But i made that comment to note that there is another free house with similar requirements for extra rooms.

NoticeMeArkay · April 30

TairenSoul wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

to unlock the Moongrave Fane room in the Hall you need the Scalebreaker Scout achievement, which requires you to complete both dungeons on Normal mode.

so you need to have done that to have the whole house open

Yes, on NORMAL. It would be nice to have NM be either NORMAL or VET like most dungeons.

The night market isn't a dungeon, tho.
And joining a random group and following them is, undoubtably, easier to do than running a dungeon.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · April 30

It is designed to flourish as we progress the event, as others have mentioned similar to the Hall of the Lunar Champion. Thats not bad at all for a free notable home! Its a nice house and its a good incentive to explore the content.

TairenSoul · April 30

The night market isn't a dungeon, tho. And joining a random group and following them is, undoubtably, easier to do than running a dungeon.

There have been quite a few posts about the NM being compared to the group dungeons released every year.
Don't even get me started about an "event" tailored to a specific group and not all players.

couriersix · April 30

TairenSoul wrote: »

There have been quite a few posts about the NM being compared to the group dungeons released every year.
Don't even get me started about an "event" tailored to a specific group and not all players.

There's already events like that, though? Whitestrakes Mayhem? The events they used to do back when they released a new zone, which effectively paywalled out people who didn't have the latest chapter? You could even argue the Undaunted celebration and Zeal of Zenithar, since the latter requires crafting and a new player may not have ESO+ or an accumulation of materials.

Soarora · April 30

The wings are fairly disappointing imo. I think you’re doing yourself a favor not opening the doors haha. More slots to use in the middle area.

TairenSoul · April 30

couriersix wrote: »

TairenSoul wrote: »

There have been quite a few posts about the NM being compared to the group dungeons released every year.
Don't even get me started about an "event" tailored to a specific group and not all players.

There's already events like that, though? Whitestrakes Mayhem? The events they used to do back when they released a new zone, which effectively paywalled out people who didn't have the latest chapter? You could even argue the Undaunted celebration and Zeal of Zenithar, since the latter requires crafting and a new player may not have ESO+ or an accumulation of materials.

I understand your point. I'd agree, but this "event" is all the Golden Pursuits also. For the last several years, this game has been all about inclusivity. Nerfing builds so noobs could have an easier time of it, as an example. If all players are getting considered, why the NM is tailored to one group of players is a mystery to me. As I stated in my original post, solo players can't do group content without others but group players can do solo content if they want. A solo content based Golden Pursuit can be done by all!

CameraBeardThePirate · April 30

TairenSoul wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

to unlock the Moongrave Fane room in the Hall you need the Scalebreaker Scout achievement, which requires you to complete both dungeons on Normal mode.

so you need to have done that to have the whole house open

Yes, on NORMAL. It would be nice to have NM be either NORMAL or VET like most dungeons.

NM is the same difficulty as a Normal Trial. You can PUG it via the group finder, just like you have to PUG Moongrave Fane or Lair of Maarselok via the dungeon finder on normal.

TairenSoul · April 30

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

TairenSoul wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

to unlock the Moongrave Fane room in the Hall you need the Scalebreaker Scout achievement, which requires you to complete both dungeons on Normal mode.

so you need to have done that to have the whole house open

Yes, on NORMAL. It would be nice to have NM be either NORMAL or VET like most dungeons.

NM is the same difficulty as a Normal Trial. You can PUG it via the group finder, just like you have to PUG Moongrave Fane or Lair of Maarselok via the dungeon finder on normal.

That's my point, exactly! Solo content players, like me, are basically shut out of the house wings and Golden Pursuits. Look, I would love to have Skyrim VI released so I can play solo content to my little heart's content. Since that's not happening anytime soon, I play ESO. In the absence of a solo content Elder Scrolls game, I think the devs should be more thoughtful of their solo content players, that's all. No one has to agree with me, but it sure seems like a lot of players do from what I've read in the discussions.

CameraBeardThePirate · April 30

TairenSoul wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

TairenSoul wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

to unlock the Moongrave Fane room in the Hall you need the Scalebreaker Scout achievement, which requires you to complete both dungeons on Normal mode.

so you need to have done that to have the whole house open

Yes, on NORMAL. It would be nice to have NM be either NORMAL or VET like most dungeons.

NM is the same difficulty as a Normal Trial. You can PUG it via the group finder, just like you have to PUG Moongrave Fane or Lair of Maarselok via the dungeon finder on normal.

That's my point, exactly! Solo content players, like me, are basically shut out of the house wings and Golden Pursuits. Look, I would love to have Skyrim VI released so I can play solo content to my little heart's content. Since that's not happening anytime soon, I play ESO. In the absence of a solo content Elder Scrolls game, I think the devs should be more thoughtful of their solo content players, that's all. No one has to agree with me, but it sure seems like a lot of players do from what I've read in the discussions.

If you want to do it solo may I offer some advice? Open the group finder, join a group, port to their instance, and then leave the group. Boom: you're now in an instance with a lot of people running around and you didn't even have to interact with anyone else. You can then hang out around other players, while solo, and complete all of the content.

TairenSoul · April 30

If you want to do it solo may I offer some advice? Open the group finder, join a group, port to their instance, and then leave the group. Boom: you're now in an instance with a lot of people running around and you didn't even have to interact with anyone else. You can then hang out around other players, while solo, and complete all of the content.

While I appreciate this advice, I feel like you're missing my point. It would be nice if this Golden Pursuit was enjoyable content for all players. It's just not to me, and many others it seems. In a perfect world, all content would be enjoyable.

I understand how to group. It has been my experience that unless my friends are in a group, strangers can be very toxic. Most of my friends stopped playing ESO years ago.
I'm not happy with locked areas in the house being accessible to only a certain type of player in a game where inclusivity reigns. I'm not happy with Golden Pursuits being obtainable to a select group of players. Good on ya if you like this content. I'm allowed to be disappointed.

CameraBeardThePirate · April 30

TairenSoul wrote: »

If you want to do it solo may I offer some advice? Open the group finder, join a group, port to their instance, and then leave the group. Boom: you're now in an instance with a lot of people running around and you didn't even have to interact with anyone else. You can then hang out around other players, while solo, and complete all of the content.

While I appreciate this advice, I feel like you're missing my point. It would be nice if this Golden Pursuit was enjoyable content for all players. It's just not to me, and many others it seems. In a perfect world, all content would be enjoyable.

I understand how to group. It has been my experience that unless my friends are in a group, strangers can be very toxic. Most of my friends stopped playing ESO years ago.
I'm not happy with locked areas in the house being accessible to only a certain type of player in a game where inclusivity reigns. I'm not happy with Golden Pursuits being obtainable to a select group of players. Good on ya if you like this content. I'm allowed to be disappointed.

I did not say you needed to group up; I'm saying that you can join a group via the group finder, teleport to their instance, then drop group and zerg surf. You don't have to interact with anyone at all; the entire process is automated. You're very unlikely to encounter any toxicity since you aren't even grouped with them. The point is to just get to an instance where there are other people running around.

I am not a PvE player. I don't do veteran trials, I barely do veteran dungeons, and the above method worked for me to find zones with other people in them to complete the content by "myself".

TairenSoul · April 30

I was in several areas with multiple people. We weren't grouped together, but we were all fighting the same mob. We all died over and over. Not my idea of a good time. I'm not trying to just get through the area to complete it. It would be nice to enjoy it. I'm glad you do!

couriersix · April 30

TairenSoul wrote: »

I understand your point. I'd agree, but this "event" is all the Golden Pursuits also. For the last several years, this game has been all about inclusivity. Nerfing builds so noobs could have an easier time of it, as an example. If all players are getting considered, why the NM is tailored to one group of players is a mystery to me. As I stated in my original post, solo players can't do group content without others but group players can do solo content if they want. A solo content based Golden Pursuit can be done by all!

That's outright untrue. There have been multiple PVP specific Golden Pursuits before. Just last year, there was a back to back Whitestrake's Mayhem + Cyrodiil one. There are also multiple ways to find a group, including guilds, the group finder and even the forums. It's an MMO, so not every event is going to cater to strictly solo players, which is fine.

DoofusMax · April 30

TairenSoul wrote: »

Is anyone else not thrilled that certain parts of the house are locked unless you play specific content? The previous "free" homes that I'm aware of have never had this. The issue for me is that most group players can solo content alone, but most solo players can't do group content alone. Shouldn't free homes be free to everyone and not just a certain group of players? This is just my opinion and food for thought.

This one would beg to differ. He has two of the three wings of the Hall of the Lunar Champion unlocked. The Hall and one wing came from completion of the Northern Elsweyr zone story and the other came from completing the Southern Elsweyr zone story. The third requires completing the two Scalebreaker dungeons (normal difficulty), which is still on the to-do list. Perhaps Jone and Jode will bless him with a daily random for those two at some point, but perhaps not.

Displaced_Salad · April 30

I also only have one of two wings of the Hall of the Lunar Champion. You know, I never even thought about it, lol. I read the requirements and thought, "Well, I'm never getting that."

TairenSoul · April 30

TairenSoul wrote: »

I understand your point. I'd agree, but this "event" is all the Golden Pursuits also. For the last several years, this game has been all about inclusivity. Nerfing builds so noobs could have an easier time of it, as an example. If all players are getting considered, why the NM is tailored to one group of players is a mystery to me. As I stated in my original post, solo players can't do group content without others but group players can do solo content if they want. A solo content based Golden Pursuit can be done by all!

That's outright untrue. There have been multiple PVP specific Golden Pursuits before. Just last year, there was a back to back Whitestrake's Mayhem + Cyrodiil one. There are also multiple ways to find a group, including guilds, the group finder and even the forums. It's an MMO, so not every event is going to cater to strictly solo players, which is fine.

No, it's not. There has always been at least a couple of things I can do for a Pursuit. Even during PVP events. This is the first time there hasn't been a single one. I'm allowed my opinion of how things work for ME while I AM playing MY game! Please stop being so intolerant of other players opinions. I'm not trying to cause trouble. I'm allowed to post in an open forum about MY experiences. It's not worth arguing over. Have a good day! ZOS please delete this discussion. It has run its course.

lillybit · April 30

I'm mostly a solo player but don't agree that everything should automatically be accessible to me.

I like that that I have to move out of my comfort zone every once in a while. I like that it gives me the push I need to try new things.

If it was always easy to just solo I wouldn't have had a lot of the great experiences I've had in game. I probably wouldn't have even joined any guilds.

Overall my ESO has been a richer experience for being pushed a little

SilverBride · May 1

I'm just going to block off the 3 wings and use the rest of the house. It's so big it really doesn't need any more rooms.