Vengeance mode for trials, arena's and trifectas now

reazea · April 28

Now that a version of Cyrodiil will be available with pre-made load outs and builds, it's time to do the same for trials, arena's and trifecta's.

I shouldn't have to take the time to create a build, do a parse or anything to complete the hardest PvE content. If I don't have to have gear and builds for PvP I shouldn't need it for PvE either.

Fair is fair. Lets have it ZOS. You owe us vengeance mode for trails, arenas and trifectas now too.

This is not a troll post. I'm totally serious. If PvE players don't have to make builds for PvP, then PvP players shouldn't have to make builds for PvE. I am totally serious with this post.

heimdall14_9 · April 28

give them an inch they'll ask for a mile

Vonnegut2506 · April 28

reazea wrote: »

Now that a version of Cyrodiil will be available with pre-made load outs and builds, it's time to do the same for trials, arena's and trifecta's.

I shouldn't have to take the time to create a build, do a parse or anything to complete the hardest PvE content. If I don't have to have gear and builds for PvP I shouldn't need it for PvE either.

Fair is fair. Lets have it ZOS. You owe us vengeance mode for trails, arenas and trifectas now too.

This is not a troll post. I'm totally serious. If PvE players don't have to make builds for PvP, then PvP players shouldn't have to make builds for PvE. I am totally serious with this post.

This post is new and exciting and hasn't appeared every single time there is a Vengeance test.

Avran_Sylt · April 28

Play one-bar without any heals/Shields, mobility/disengage, DoTS or CC in Vengeance and come back and tell me if you don't need a build in vengenace. Consider Vengence "Normal Mode".

Poss · April 28

I’d actually love to queue into vSS with 70k health with a templated build so I don’t have to grind perfected Ansuuls and spend resources to make it gold. I’ve wanted that Godslayer mount for so long. Grinding gear is so painstakingly boring.

I have a genuine suggestion though, while we test this thrilling new feature, I think ZoS should suspend standard trials every few months so the sweaty score pushers can put their progs on hold and join the test. I’m sure the devs would love for them to share their wisdom. They might even listen?

spartaxoxo · April 28

We have a version of trials that doesn't require a build. It's called normal. I've literally done naked guild runs in those. If we didn't have a normal version of dungeons, trials, and arenas so that casual and new players could experience them too, then you'd have a point. But we do, so this just about Vengeance needing to be tested before it could be put out there. Sorry the new feature needed testing, I guess.

JavaRen · April 28

Okay, people don't like Vengeance and it makes them feel angry or neglected or whatever negative thing, granted.

I get lost on how this translates to "someone else should have their fun decreased." Can anyone explain an honest, rational reason for this request, or is it just upset people lashing out?

Poss · April 28

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have a version of trials that doesn't require a build. It's called normal. I've literally done naked guild runs in those. If we didn't have a normal version of dungeons, trials, and arenas so that casual and new players could experience them too, then you'd have a point. But we do, so this just about Vengeance needing to be tested before it could be put out there. Sorry the new feature needed testing, I guess.

But I want the Godslayer mount but I’m too lazy to farm the gear, and the prospect of spending weeks or months learning how Sunspire works is just way too much effort for me.

I think this is a brilliant idea.

spartaxoxo · April 28

Poss wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have a version of trials that doesn't require a build. It's called normal. I've literally done naked guild runs in those. If we didn't have a normal version of dungeons, trials, and arenas so that casual and new players could experience them too, then you'd have a point. But we do, so this just about Vengeance needing to be tested before it could be put out there. Sorry the new feature needed testing, I guess.

But I want the Godslayer mount but I’m too lazy to farm the gear, and the prospect of spending weeks or months learning how Sunspire works is just way too much effort for me.

I think this is a brilliant idea.

If you want a specific cosmetic restricted from Vengeance, you're better off asking for that directly than pretending that normal trials require builds. It is demonstrably false that there isn't an easier version of trials.

tomofhyrule · April 28

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, people don't like Vengeance and it makes them feel angry or neglected or whatever negative thing, granted.

I get lost on how this translates to "someone else should have their fun decreased." Can anyone explain an honest, rational reason for this request, or is it just upset people lashing out?

It’s lashing out. Especially considering that most of the high-level PvErs also think that Vengeance testing was a bad idea and were against shitting down part of PvP for it. The people who seriously champion Vengeance as a way to get into PvP without gearing up aren’t generally getting into high-level PvE because… they’re not geared up for that either.

I refused to go into Vengeance this test or the last one because I do not think it’s right to get rid of Cyrodiil. I am still mad that U50 will remove the standard Cyrodiil versions other than Grey Host. I dislike what they’re doing to MYM. And I know I’m not the only PvEr who thinks that.

ESO_player123 · April 28

Not this again.

Avran_Sylt · April 28

Poss wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have a version of trials that doesn't require a build. It's called normal. I've literally done naked guild runs in those. If we didn't have a normal version of dungeons, trials, and arenas so that casual and new players could experience them too, then you'd have a point. But we do, so this just about Vengeance needing to be tested before it could be put out there. Sorry the new feature needed testing, I guess.

But I want the Godslayer mount but I’m too lazy to farm the gear, and the prospect of spending weeks or months learning how Sunspire works is just way too much effort for me.

I think this is a brilliant idea.

You know you can pay for carries, just like how you can pay for emps in PvP. Aint a lot of the non-GH servers all about social engineering of PvP guilds for stuff like that?

xylena · April 28

Is lag a problem in those modes? If not, there is no need. Vengeance was created to address the Cyro lag first and foremost, to which it largely succeeds.

Blood_again · April 28

Why nobody asks for a Vengeance mode for Fishing?
Please give us a strong pre-built fishing pole, endless bait, and 70k patience.
I'm convinced this would be way more popular than any trial.

edward_frigidhands · April 29

reazea wrote: »

Now that a version of Cyrodiil will be available with pre-made load outs and builds, it's time to do the same for trials, arena's and trifecta's.

I shouldn't have to take the time to create a build, do a parse or anything to complete the hardest PvE content. If I don't have to have gear and builds for PvP I shouldn't need it for PvE either.

Fair is fair. Lets have it ZOS. You owe us vengeance mode for trails, arenas and trifectas now too.

This is not a troll post. I'm totally serious. If PvE players don't have to make builds for PvP, then PvP players shouldn't have to make builds for PvE. I am totally serious with this post.

Let's do this yes!

reazea · April 29

xylena wrote: »

Is lag a problem in those modes? If not, there is no need. Vengeance was created to address the Cyro lag first and foremost, to which it largely succeeds.

As a matter of fact, yes, unequivocally, absolutely and undeniably YES. There is a lag problem in trials and all organized group content.

So we absolutely should get vengeance mode for other group content. I want those rewards and now that we know the standard is get rewards without earning them I want my mounts, titles and shinies that I haven't been able to get yet.

xR3ACTORx · April 29

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, people don't like Vengeance and it makes them feel angry or neglected or whatever negative thing, granted.

I get lost on how this translates to "someone else should have their fun decreased." Can anyone explain an honest, rational reason for this request, or is it just upset people lashing out?

It's because of PvE performance issues that can only be addressed by vengeance pve testing.

PvE lags for a while now.

It's also about me being so bad in vet trials that I need 70k health.

Renato90085 · April 29

is this self deprecation?

ceruulean · April 29

I wouldn't mind if ZOS made Velothi and Oakensoul a gear template. And this is coming from someone with 3 Godslayers.

Gear is usually not the issue with these progs.

heimdall14_9 · April 29

you know what i sit back and thought on this one and you know what ya lets get it done i want to teach my 4 year old grandson how to play eso anyway that be great way to do so

moderatelyfatman · April 29

xylena wrote: »

Is lag a problem in those modes? If not, there is no need. Vengeance was created to address the Cyro lag first and foremost, to which it largely succeeds.

Actually, lag and desyc is a serious problem for people outside the USA for PCNA. Sometimes we've had to abandon trial runs because half our group can't stay logged in.

Hea1y · April 29

Fantastic post

fizzybeef · April 29

I need vengeance for trials, need these training wheels to get the same skins other people worked for, for years

Wuuffyy · April 29

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, people don't like Vengeance and it makes them feel angry or neglected or whatever negative thing, granted.

I get lost on how this translates to "someone else should have their fun decreased." Can anyone explain an honest, rational reason for this request, or is it just upset people lashing out?

Poss wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have a version of trials that doesn't require a build. It's called normal. I've literally done naked guild runs in those. If we didn't have a normal version of dungeons, trials, and arenas so that casual and new players could experience them too, then you'd have a point. But we do, so this just about Vengeance needing to be tested before it could be put out there. Sorry the new feature needed testing, I guess.

But I want the Godslayer mount but I’m too lazy to farm the gear, and the prospect of spending weeks or months learning how Sunspire works is just way too much effort for me.

I think this is a brilliant idea.

I would also like the Godslayer mount and believe that template PvE/ a Vengeance trial would help me get that. I think it would be a great idea for them to have a version of trials that helps a guy that just hopped on the game from Xbox Game Pass immediately work his way into an endgame trial group with endgame gear instead of doing any of the work any other self-respecting MMO would require you to do.

Devalued achievements and lack of player expression you say??? Bah humbug.

amiiegee · April 29

Wuuffyy wrote: »

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, people don't like Vengeance and it makes them feel angry or neglected or whatever negative thing, granted.

I get lost on how this translates to "someone else should have their fun decreased." Can anyone explain an honest, rational reason for this request, or is it just upset people lashing out?

Poss wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have a version of trials that doesn't require a build. It's called normal. I've literally done naked guild runs in those. If we didn't have a normal version of dungeons, trials, and arenas so that casual and new players could experience them too, then you'd have a point. But we do, so this just about Vengeance needing to be tested before it could be put out there. Sorry the new feature needed testing, I guess.

But I want the Godslayer mount but I’m too lazy to farm the gear, and the prospect of spending weeks or months learning how Sunspire works is just way too much effort for me.

I think this is a brilliant idea.

I would also like the Godslayer mount and believe that template PvE/ a Vengeance trial would help me get that. I think it would be a great idea for them to have a version of trials that helps a guy that just hopped on the game from Xbox Game Pass immediately work his way into an endgame trial group with endgame gear instead of doing any of the work any other self-respecting MMO would require you to do.

I agree and we all should have equal chances to get titles and mounts from trial.
Im disabled and have ADHD and cant focus the long time to progress trials by joining a toxic trial guild and get shouted at by trial leads for hours.
Should i be left out now? With vengeance i can keep up in pvp with people who have usually better gear then me, i need the same for PVE trials and dungeons.

twisttop138 · April 29

It sucks. I get the anger and the lashing out. It'll never happen, and shouldn't, but the anger is justified. Total bait and switch on the whole vengeance is a test thing and then to just say, at the end, this is all we can do, sorry bout your luck. I haven't been a Cyrodil guy in many years, but but it doesn't mean I don't recognize.

ceruulean · April 29

fizzybeef wrote: »

I need vengeance for trials, need these training wheels to get the same skins other people worked for, for years

Yes it's possible, it's called "put up a gf posting until you literally get carried by high DPS players." Do these end gamers give a crap whether newbies "deserve" a skin or hm clear? No, for the most part nobody gives a crap. One of my past raid groups gave a random oakensoul player a free TTT.

Heronisan · April 29

Vengeance was made to fix lag in cyrodiil no? They are also making a smaller scale GH, they have straight out said, large scale GH is not fixable. Previous dev team should have said this instead of keeping it hidden, atleast with this new dev communicaton they are beeing honest telling us whats possible and not with current hardware and programming limitations.

Vengeance in PvE dont makes sense, lets say you do get a premade setup with fully kitted out null arca/deadly, ur supports are getting full support gear.

It wont change a thing, if u cant complete it now, ur not gonna complete it if these sets where handed out to you, its a l2p issue, where u still need to learn to do dps, make the dps checks, and do mechs.
A good player can do 140k dps in the same setup a bad player is doing 40k dps

Even if u where handed a build with 70k hp, and doing less dmg, just like u do less dmg in Vengeance compared to GH, one shot mechs will still kill you, ur max hp is not the problem in PvE, again, its mostly lack of dps and mechs, there are also dots, that deal dmg based on ur max HP, the more HP u have, the more dot dmg u take, to the point healers cant outheal it

If they made vengeance mode for PvE it would still be just as hard to complete.

I do think that both PvP gear and PvE gear should somehow be stored in their own sepparate inventory, not connected to ur own inventory, this way more people can get into both PvP and PvE, without running srouns will full inventory of gear

The gear is not the issue in PvE, its the coordination between 12 players and nobody failing dps, mechs or their role.

Of you are asking for easier mechs and free clears where u dont have to listen to a single trial leader or meet up 4 times a week at a certain time agreed upon by everyone else and prog trials for weeks, then we allresdy have that mode, its called normal/veteran

BardokRedSnow · April 29

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have a version of trials that doesn't require a build. It's called normal.

Nah nah fam see we had ravenwatch, below 50 AND BR, three different flavors of "normal mode". PvE deserves more difficulties including a Vengeance mode for trifecta trials, I want my icey fire cat mount same as you, but I don't have the time to zerg in Vengeance and also make builds for Trials, plus work, and taking care of my Alfiq

Give Us Vengeance in Trials

HatchetHaro · April 29

This is actually unironically a really good idea for Infinite Archive. Make it a real roguelike!

Wuuffyy · April 29

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

We have a version of trials that doesn't require a build. It's called normal.

Nah nah fam see we had ravenwatch, below 50 AND BR, three different flavors of "normal mode". PvE deserves more difficulties including a Vengeance mode for trifecta trials, I want my icey fire cat mount same as you, but I don't have the time to zerg in Vengeance and also make builds for Trials, plus work, and taking care of my Alfiq

Give Us Vengeance in Trials

I would actually be interested in this, I am so deeply honest to the core of my soul for this one. I don’t have an Alfiq, but if I had one I’m sure they’d appreciate it too.