You've nerfed the worst class in this PTS
Prionyx
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ZOS, please read this post and take it into consideration.
Above and Beyond: Increased this passive’s bonus to Critical Damage and Healing Done to 25%, reducing to 5% against targets with Battle Spirit, rather than granting 15%, reduced to 7% against targets with Battle Spirit. Increased the Critical Damage and Healing maximum to 35%, up from 25%.
Eye for Exploitation: Increased this passive’s maximum Weapon and Spell Damage to 2500, up from 1250, and damage reduction to 20%, up from 12%. Both values are halved against targets with Battle Spirit.
This is absurd and these changes makes no sence whatsoever. Last PTS week NB was the worst PVP class BY FAR, even worse than arcanist. Everything in NB's toolkit is bad excluding mobility, but you decided to nerf them.
NB's survivability: worst survavbility among all classes. Should I even explain why class that only relies on burst heal and vigor is worse than everyone else? Only class HOT NB has access to is path, which is small, restrists your movement(and NB has to relay on movement in order to survive), doesn't really heal much and is too expansive. Compare it to templar where most of your skills heal you and your healing abilities are not that expansive. Compare it to immortal DKs... Compare it to anyone else. Every other class has access to good survivability skills but since you've nerfed dark cloak into the ground NB doesn't.
NB's damage. Worst burst among all classes and worst pressure. People keep complaining about NB's damage without ever going deeper to realize how weak NB's burst is. I'll explain why NB's burst is horrible with math, I'll give you some examples on how other pure classes combo would look like:
DK's burst:
Let's calculate: without multiple %damage done DK passives full DK's burst skills total tooltip is... 43 299 damage
Warden's burst:
Total tooltip is 31 852+(realistically more depending on your HP)
Necro's burst:
Total tooltip is 31 852+(realistically more depending on your HP)
These are just few examples. Templar's and sorc's(arcanist's burst is terrible tho, but it's a full pressure class and isn't realy made for pvp anyway) burst are also good but I'll not add them there to keep this post a bit more compressed. Not let's take a look on NB's burst
Total tooltip is 21 349(realistically more because of 20% that will buff surprise, but even this way it will still be 50% of DK's burst.
Of course these are VERY rough estimates and they don't include a lot of buffs and class passives that would change actual numbers, but if anything they wouldn't change anything in NB's favor(excluding necro). Why didn't I take incap+merciless "combo" into consideration? Because anyone who have played PVP for at least a few weeks will always dodge merciless. It's not guaranteed, predictable and there is too much time to react. Back in the day I thought it may take some reaction, but in reality it doesn't. Found it out in a few funny ways: I tried playing PC NA for a bit where I have 300 ping and I dodged every single merciless after incap, didn't get hit a single time. But that's nothing, once I logged to duel my friend when I came back after my other friend's birthday where we had a drinking game that didn't go well for me, I guess at this point I had 1000+ ping inside my head but I still dodged all of the bow procs. It doesn't take reaction or skill to dodge it at all. But even if I would take it into consideration incap+merciless still deals less damage than db+bb+bfb, let alone DK's combo.
Why do people complain about NB's damage? It's simple, they see 15k merciless in death recap and think "damn' that's a lot! my blastbones deals 3k less damage, NB's damage is crazy!" without ever realizing that their total burst combo damage far exeeds anything NB can do.
Now onto pressure, it's just bad. NB doesn't have any good pressure tools. No dots and no good hard CC. NB is completely countered by current block meta, the only way NB can bypass block is by using hysteria, but it deals no damage and doesn't guarantee any damage skills, not even a spammable. Pressure is needed to drain enemy's resources but hysteria is so expensive that you'll just end up draining your resoureses instead
Sustain is mediocare. Skills are too expansive and all of your sustain comes from 1 passive, siphoning attacks and path's minor regens. 15% recovery passive is good but it's nowhere near enough to compensate expansive skills, path is soo expansive that it takes more magicka than it gives and siphoning doesn't recover as much as it did before, there are rare circumstances where you can just spamm it to get resources but most of the times you can't, if you press it a few times you'll just have to press your expansive healing skills again and you'll not win much. Your enemy will tho because they are pressing cheap offensive skills while you're pressing expensive defensive skills. It's not NB's worst part, but if sustain isn't good shouldn't at least other important things be good...?
NB's mobility is good, no complaints. Shadow image is the best mobility skill in the game. But mobility is the least important thing out of these 4 and obviously it's not enough to make class strong.
Now after you read this please answer my qeustion, why did you nerf passives that were weak as is? What is the reason for NB nerfs? It's by far the worst class in the game at this point, and even if you just remove battle spirit penalties and pure NB can keep 25% crit and up to 2500wpd execute passive NB still will not match DKs or sorcs, but somehow you thought that 5% crit will(and yeah, it's just 5% crit, maximum crit damage doesn't change anything because you'll never reach crit cap in pvp). What is the reason for these battle spirit penalties? Please remove penalties completely and don't make NB mains quit until NB's rework, because if you don't there will be just 2 options for people who want to play NB: just don't or quit ESO.
Please, PLEASE don't change "if battle spirit is active" numbers, just remove this abdurd condition from NB's mastery. It's a good way to balance things, for example if arcanist could keep 30% damage passive everyone would just play 40k HP arcanist bashers, but NB doesn't need these penalties at all.
Small update: I'll just explain why it's impossible to reach crit cap in pvp - Base 1350 crit resist + 1650 RC + resillianse 660 + impen X6 924 = 4 584 crit resist on average. 70% crit resist. Basically you need 195% crit dmg to reach cap.
Edited by Prionyx on 28 April 2026 11:55 Above and Beyond: Increased this passive’s bonus to Critical Damage and Healing Done to 25%, reducing to 5% against targets with Battle Spirit, rather than granting 15%, reduced to 7% against targets with Battle Spirit. Increased the Critical Damage and Healing maximum to 35%, up from 25%.
Eye for Exploitation: Increased this passive’s maximum Weapon and Spell Damage to 2500, up from 1250, and damage reduction to 20%, up from 12%. Both values are halved against targets with Battle Spirit.
This is absurd and these changes makes no sence whatsoever. Last PTS week NB was the worst PVP class BY FAR, even worse than arcanist. Everything in NB's toolkit is bad excluding mobility, but you decided to nerf them.
NB's survivability: worst survavbility among all classes. Should I even explain why class that only relies on burst heal and vigor is worse than everyone else? Only class HOT NB has access to is path, which is small, restrists your movement(and NB has to relay on movement in order to survive), doesn't really heal much and is too expansive. Compare it to templar where most of your skills heal you and your healing abilities are not that expansive. Compare it to immortal DKs... Compare it to anyone else. Every other class has access to good survivability skills but since you've nerfed dark cloak into the ground NB doesn't.
NB's damage. Worst burst among all classes and worst pressure. People keep complaining about NB's damage without ever going deeper to realize how weak NB's burst is. I'll explain why NB's burst is horrible with math, I'll give you some examples on how other pure classes combo would look like:
DK's burst:
Let's calculate: without multiple %damage done DK passives full DK's burst skills total tooltip is... 43 299 damage
Warden's burst:
Total tooltip is 31 852+(realistically more depending on your HP)
Necro's burst:
Total tooltip is 31 852+(realistically more depending on your HP)
These are just few examples. Templar's and sorc's(arcanist's burst is terrible tho, but it's a full pressure class and isn't realy made for pvp anyway) burst are also good but I'll not add them there to keep this post a bit more compressed. Not let's take a look on NB's burst
Total tooltip is 21 349(realistically more because of 20% that will buff surprise, but even this way it will still be 50% of DK's burst.
Of course these are VERY rough estimates and they don't include a lot of buffs and class passives that would change actual numbers, but if anything they wouldn't change anything in NB's favor(excluding necro). Why didn't I take incap+merciless "combo" into consideration? Because anyone who have played PVP for at least a few weeks will always dodge merciless. It's not guaranteed, predictable and there is too much time to react. Back in the day I thought it may take some reaction, but in reality it doesn't. Found it out in a few funny ways: I tried playing PC NA for a bit where I have 300 ping and I dodged every single merciless after incap, didn't get hit a single time. But that's nothing, once I logged to duel my friend when I came back after my other friend's birthday where we had a drinking game that didn't go well for me, I guess at this point I had 1000+ ping inside my head but I still dodged all of the bow procs. It doesn't take reaction or skill to dodge it at all. But even if I would take it into consideration incap+merciless still deals less damage than db+bb+bfb, let alone DK's combo.
Why do people complain about NB's damage? It's simple, they see 15k merciless in death recap and think "damn' that's a lot! my blastbones deals 3k less damage, NB's damage is crazy!" without ever realizing that their total burst combo damage far exeeds anything NB can do.
Now onto pressure, it's just bad. NB doesn't have any good pressure tools. No dots and no good hard CC. NB is completely countered by current block meta, the only way NB can bypass block is by using hysteria, but it deals no damage and doesn't guarantee any damage skills, not even a spammable. Pressure is needed to drain enemy's resources but hysteria is so expensive that you'll just end up draining your resoureses instead
Sustain is mediocare. Skills are too expansive and all of your sustain comes from 1 passive, siphoning attacks and path's minor regens. 15% recovery passive is good but it's nowhere near enough to compensate expansive skills, path is soo expansive that it takes more magicka than it gives and siphoning doesn't recover as much as it did before, there are rare circumstances where you can just spamm it to get resources but most of the times you can't, if you press it a few times you'll just have to press your expansive healing skills again and you'll not win much. Your enemy will tho because they are pressing cheap offensive skills while you're pressing expensive defensive skills. It's not NB's worst part, but if sustain isn't good shouldn't at least other important things be good...?
NB's mobility is good, no complaints. Shadow image is the best mobility skill in the game. But mobility is the least important thing out of these 4 and obviously it's not enough to make class strong.
Now after you read this please answer my qeustion, why did you nerf passives that were weak as is? What is the reason for NB nerfs? It's by far the worst class in the game at this point, and even if you just remove battle spirit penalties and pure NB can keep 25% crit and up to 2500wpd execute passive NB still will not match DKs or sorcs, but somehow you thought that 5% crit will(and yeah, it's just 5% crit, maximum crit damage doesn't change anything because you'll never reach crit cap in pvp). What is the reason for these battle spirit penalties? Please remove penalties completely and don't make NB mains quit until NB's rework, because if you don't there will be just 2 options for people who want to play NB: just don't or quit ESO.
Please, PLEASE don't change "if battle spirit is active" numbers, just remove this abdurd condition from NB's mastery. It's a good way to balance things, for example if arcanist could keep 30% damage passive everyone would just play 40k HP arcanist bashers, but NB doesn't need these penalties at all.
Small update: I'll just explain why it's impossible to reach crit cap in pvp - Base 1350 crit resist + 1650 RC + resillianse 660 + impen X6 924 = 4 584 crit resist on average. 70% crit resist. Basically you need 195% crit dmg to reach cap.
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✭DK's burst:
This is actual incredible that you can get a full-fledged whip with a 15k tooltip to increase by 33%x3 so to ~30k along with multiple other burst moves *sorry, 40k+ burst that also provide utility... but I can't even have a singular second of dot on my werewolf berserker let alone any actual burst of any kind.
But anyways, ~engagement~. Yes, nightblade has been bottom of the barrel in terms of QOL for PvE and has almost always sacrificed significant amount of cleave for a nominal ST increase on bosses for many players. This has been the case for about as long as I can remember (so pure blade or i.e. not just running assassination), it's unfortunate to hear they likely took a hit in their efforts to remediate stealth builds (not for OP- any of you who don't like me posting places
) and I do hope they revaluate some of these class passives to bring proper 'stop gap' values instead of just nerfing them for the sake of PvP. Edited by Wuuffyy on 28 April 2026 02:18Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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Prionyx✭✭✭✭DK's burst:
This is actual incredible that you can get a full-fledged whip with a 15k tooltip to increase by 33%x3 so to ~30k along with multiple other burst moves that also provide utility... but I can't even have a singular second of dot on my werewolf berserker let alone any actual burst of any kind.
But anyways, ~engagement~. Yes, nightblade has been bottom of the barrel in terms of QOL for PvE for about as long as I can remember (so pure blade or i.e. not just running assassination), it's unfortunate to hear they likely took a hit in their efforts to remediate stealth builds in PvP (not for OP- any of you who don't like me posting places ).
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You think a non-stacked whip is tool tipping for ~7k (7k x (33% x 3)= ~15k)? I am legitimately asking you this.
Actually, better yet- I bet you that means it goes MUCH higher with your average ~damage build~ in PvP. Ah beautifully disgusting as all things should be.Edited by Wuuffyy on 28 April 2026 02:19Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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✭NB needs huge buffs. Easily all its tooltips could be tripled and it would be still be lightyears behind the PVP God Classes like Necro and ArcanistEdited by Urzigurumash on 28 April 2026 01:49Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast16 -
Kleoxcv✭✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance3 -
shadoza✭✭✭✭✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
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@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Because nobody is pureclassed in PvP. But everyone is running Assassination. So we are all NBs in one form or another.4 -
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✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Have you gotten lost in time travel? The bomb assassin from before u46, and the animal assassin from the past year, have been the most popular PVP combinations. If you're really into PVP, how could you miss it?"是燭九陰，是燭龍。"──by "The Classic of Mountains and Seas "English is not my first language,If something is ambiguous, rude due to context and translation issues, etc., please remind me, thanks.4 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
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Why do people complain about NB's damage? It's simple, they see 15k merciless in death recap and think "damn' that's a lot! my blastbones deals 3k less damage, NB's damage is crazy!" without ever realizing that their total burst combo damage far exeeds anything NB can do.
Look despite my flippancy, I have no salt for PureBlade in particular, the fact is these Class Masteries have to beat out the obvious benefits of having Merciless and Blastbones together. And also Deep Fissure or Javelin. That's a huge order when the differences in survivability between NB/Sorc and the other 5 mostly don't matter with the short TTK and the OP Wield Soul.
Did they really even do that on Week 1 let alone after these nerfs?
If not, we're back to the only viable path besides DK is a subclass using Assassination. We all know what it's like playing with and without it so nobody's gonna believe NB would be the weakest pure class in a new pure class paradigm.
But again there's no pure class paradigm unless these are OP so this is definitely a case for
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✭even if they will further trash TTK into a more Table Tennis like experience
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✭✭✭✭✭Did you describe the burst of Nightblade as Incap + Surprise attack instead of Merciless Resolve, the hardest hitting skill in the game? Dragonknight is the king of burst without contest; but Nightblade is and will be even moreso the 2nd best burst.
I am not at all concerned for Nightblade burst or gankers, because they will shred as always. I am concerned about what lies outside of this. What will you do in an age of wing spammers who half your spectral bow's damage and have far beyond 30k HP? If you cannot burst them (no ranged class currently can. Traditional Sorc suffers in this same regard) then they get up and heal to full.
Every other class you can most likely eat up, except toxic Wardens who break things with Shimmering Shield. But what other playstyle do you have besides burst? That is the real question, and I think Nightblade is in this one-sided category and has not many (strong enough) options outside of that. Surprise Attack is top 3 of the best spammables in pvp, but you will not pressured a meta HoT build with this alone.Edited by Dracane on 28 April 2026 04:22Auri-El is my lord,
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Pinktraining✭✭NB definitely needs a buff. This class has always been at the bottom in both PVP and PVE. Even the Necromancer is more than a level above NB.4 -
shadoza✭✭✭✭✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Have you gotten lost in time travel? The bomb assassin from before u46, and the animal assassin from the past year, have been the most popular PVP combinations. If you're really into PVP, how could you miss it?
Insults are not necessary. I enjoy PvP, just not in this game. My NB gets killed by DK and templars and now Arcanist. I am not seeing NB in PvP when I go in. If what you are saying is that people are mixing classes to beat classes, then that is not a NB at all. He was saying pure class. You cannot have a pure class if you are mixing the class with other skills.
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✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Have you gotten lost in time travel? The bomb assassin from before u46, and the animal assassin from the past year, have been the most popular PVP combinations. If you're really into PVP, how could you miss it?
Insults are not necessary. I enjoy PvP, just not in this game. My NB gets killed by DK and templars and now Arcanist. I am not seeing NB in PvP when I go in. If what you are saying is that people are mixing classes to beat classes, then that is not a NB at all. He was saying pure class. You cannot have a pure class if you are mixing the class with other skills.
I want to remind you that before U46, the Techies Assassin and ganking Assassin builds were consistently popular and powerful. After U46, through its subclasses, the Nightblade skill tree became top in both PvP and PvE.
This change only slightly balances Nightblade's dominance. Furthermore, NB is a class that hasn't been reworked yet, so comparing it to New-Dragon Knight isn't objective."是燭九陰，是燭龍。"──by "The Classic of Mountains and Seas "English is not my first language,If something is ambiguous, rude due to context and translation issues, etc., please remind me, thanks.3 -
ArctosCethlenn✭✭✭✭Pure nb is going to be held back by the absolute wonder that is the shadow line until zos gets around to the rework. If we're lucky. (We won't be lucky.)
I run pure nb in pvp. I am well aware that it puts me at a distinct disadvantage vs say, replacing shadow with storm calling, but if I wanted to play a sorc I would play a *** sorc. The entire point of the masteries is to narrow the massive gap between subclassing and pureclassing, and yet the nb masteries are so bad and extra neutered in pvp that it will not happen.
The increased crit damage cap isn't going to be super meaningful when a pureblade isn't easily able to build to actually take advantage of it, on top of having dumpster-tier defenses compared to everything else. We're all already building crit damage we aren't gonna magically find 35% 30% more somewhere to use the increased cap in pvp.
Eye for Exploitation is in a weird state where the lower your health is the less effective the mitigation is, and I'm sorry but having mitigation that GOES AWAY WHEN NEAR DEATH is nonsense. The damage aspect is also pathetic compared to the ones other classes get that don't have silly conditions to meet. The anti-execute heal scaling is at least not awful. edit: overall E4E is a winmore mastery when it comes to damage, it won't actually do much unless you were already cutting the target's health down. If you're in a 10 minute stalemate duel you won't see much or any benefit. Players don't generally sit at low health in pvp and keep trying to do damage instead of healing back up, so taking less damage from people at lower health than you? also a bit of a joke.
Our one 'support' mastery trickles resources and a bit of ultimate to group members, that's totally on par with warden's major hero, arcanist's major force and vitality, dk's major protection and berserk, sorc's 6% unique s/wd buff, or plar's unique sd buff. Necro I'm pretty sure joins us in the dumpster-tier support mastery duo, at least.Edited by ArctosCethlenn on 28 April 2026 05:330 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
By default, everyone has these:- Base = 20% crit resist.
- At least 5x impen = 10% crit resist.
- Rallying Cry = 17~21% avg next patch.
- Possibly CP = 10% crit resist.
That's 30% guaranteed, 50% very likely, 60% if you're in CP.
Since the cap is not a hard cap and you can build beyond 125% critical damage, the new effective cap due to enemy resistances is actually between 155% ~ 185%, you won't take that much damage, but thats what a NB can build to without worrying about lost stats. There isn't a single build that will or can reach an additional 35% higher than this, and the new Mastery's 5% in PvP certainly doesn't help.
And look, I don't really care about NB as a Sorc main, I have no leg in this race, but I care about all class balance as a whole. An entire Mastery devoted to what amounts to only 5% crit damage/healing is abysmal, a gigantic oversight, and a waste of potential that I hope doesn't bleed to other classes.
I can only assume ZOS thinks this Mastery is great in PvP because they also don't understand the context in which it's used in and how critical resistance works. Shocker after the PvP stream we all like to reference.Edited by MashmalloMan on 28 April 2026 05:483 -
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✭Pure NB burst is so predictable and easy to counter that it doesn't matter how high the damage values are if you can't land said combo/burst reliably. Until NB gets decent counterplay to block or zos do a 180 on their decision to have cast time on skills like incap, pure NB will remain mid in PvP.
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shadoza✭✭✭✭✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Have you gotten lost in time travel? The bomb assassin from before u46, and the animal assassin from the past year, have been the most popular PVP combinations. If you're really into PVP, how could you miss it?
Insults are not necessary. I enjoy PvP, just not in this game. My NB gets killed by DK and templars and now Arcanist. I am not seeing NB in PvP when I go in. If what you are saying is that people are mixing classes to beat classes, then that is not a NB at all. He was saying pure class. You cannot have a pure class if you are mixing the class with other skills.
I want to remind you that before U46, the Techies Assassin and ganking Assassin builds were consistently popular and powerful. After U46, through its subclasses, the Nightblade skill tree became top in both PvP and PvE.
This change only slightly balances Nightblade's dominance. Furthermore, NB is a class that hasn't been reworked yet, so comparing it to New-Dragon Knight isn't objective.
The NB was good way back in the first year. It has been nerfed and nerfed again since that first year. You can add qualifiers if it pleases you but I maintain, I am not seeing NB dominate PvP. I am not seeing it.2 -
Kleoxcv✭✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Because subclassing that’s why. Why do you think every broken subclass build incorporates NB? Because it’s weakest? How can a class with 1 shot potential prior to class masteries be the weakest?
Damage on the NB is fine. My problem with a NB is that it’s squishy
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gammelscroll✭✭✭Templar class mastery needs reworkw or a buff. They are so underwhelming compared to sorc and warden etc. If pure Templar is going to "compete" in PvP , masteries needs to be stronger or reworked. 300 flat dmg to players is just cringe.
Meanwhile you buff DK so insane that they run around "one shotting" players with flame lash.....
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You dorks keep bringing up subclassing builds as if that matters for a discussion on the pure class masteries being terrible. Yeah no *** when you combine assassination with animal companion and storm calling its strong, but that isn't pure nightblade. That very explicitly includes a number of damage buffs and passives which pureblade doesn't have access to.@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Because subclassing that’s why. Why do you think every broken subclass build incorporates NB? Because it’s weakest? How can a class with 1 shot potential prior to class masteries be the weakest?
Damage on the NB is fine. My problem with a NB is that it’s squishy
The masteries are supposed to help the pure classes compete with subclassed meta junk in both pve and pvp, and nightblade's masteries are so heavily nerfed in pvp that they do not. Why does a mastery exist which is only 20% effective vs players?
When are we going to hit Font of Power or Wildfire Embers with -80% effect while battle spirit is active?
You all need to remember that the masteries are there to make it worthwhile for a NB to want to keep shadow, and for a non-soulcleaver or non-healer NB, siphoning.Edited by ArctosCethlenn on 28 April 2026 09:057 -
Kleoxcv✭✭ArctosCethlenn wrote: »
You dorks keep bringing up subclassing builds as if that matters for a discussion on the pure class masteries being terrible. Yeah no *** when you combine assassination with animal companion and storm calling its strong, but that isn't pure nightblade. That very explicitly includes a number of damage buffs and passives which pureblade doesn't have access to.@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Because subclassing that’s why. Why do you think every broken subclass build incorporates NB? Because it’s weakest? How can a class with 1 shot potential prior to class masteries be the weakest?
Damage on the NB is fine. My problem with a NB is that it’s squishy
The masteries are supposed to help the pure classes compete with subclassed meta junk in both pve and pvp, and nightblade's masteries are so heavily nerfed in pvp that they do not. Why does a mastery exist which is only 20% effective vs players?
When are we going to hit Font of Power or Wildfire Embers with -80% effect while battle spirit is active?
You all need to remember that the masteries are there to make it worthwhile for a NB to want to keep shadow, and for a non-soulcleaver or non-healer NB, siphoning.
😂 dorks? Why a personal insult? Anyways if you can read you can see I was just answering a question. Why we weren’t seeing pure NB or Pure classes in general.
Damage wise pure NB is 2nd or 3rd.
Survivability wise that’s a different conversation, but it can hide. I don’t know why ZOS don’t just give the class a reliable Major resolve2 -
xylena✭✭✭✭✭
✭They need to expand the diversity of playstyles for NB. They could do this through Mastery buffs. But as long as the class is designed solely around burst crit stacking, it will only ever be busted op or useless garbage, similar to how max mag stacking on MagSorcs is always broken.PC/NA || Cyro/BGs || solo/smallscale || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP6 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
Is this a joke? Have you even read the post? You'd never reach NBs crit damage cap + NB doesn't have any burst or "one shot potential"|, stop complaining about NB if it's just a class you don't like and want it nerfed1 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭Did you describe the burst of Nightblade as Incap + Surprise attack instead of Merciless Resolve, the hardest hitting skill in the game? Dragonknight is the king of burst without contest; but Nightblade is and will be even moreso the 2nd best burst.
I am not at all concerned for Nightblade burst or gankers, because they will shred as always. I am concerned about what lies outside of this. What will you do in an age of wing spammers who half your spectral bow's damage and have far beyond 30k HP? If you cannot burst them (no ranged class currently can. Traditional Sorc suffers in this same regard) then they get up and heal to full.
Every other class you can most likely eat up, except toxic Wardens who break things with Shimmering Shield. But what other playstyle do you have besides burst? That is the real question, and I think Nightblade is in this one-sided category and has not many (strong enough) options outside of that. Surprise Attack is top 3 of the best spammables in pvp, but you will not pressured a meta HoT build with this alone.
Please read my post before texting something like this
Why didn't I take incap+merciless "combo" into consideration? Because anyone who have played PVP for at least a few weeks will always dodge merciless. It's not guaranteed, predictable and there is too much time to react. Back in the day I thought it may take some reaction, but in reality it doesn't. Found it out in a few funny ways: I tried playing PC NA for a bit where I have 300 ping and I dodged every single merciless after incap, didn't get hit a single time. But that's nothing, once I logged to duel my friend when I came back after my other friend's birthday where we had a drinking game that didn't go well for me, I guess at this point I had 1000+ ping inside my head but I still dodged all of the bow procs. It doesn't take reaction or skill to dodge it at all. But even if I would take it into consideration incap+merciless still deals less damage than db+bb+bfb, let alone DK's combo.
Anyone with half a brain will dodge incap+merciless, if you take it into consideration then I"ll say arcanist is op because arc can kill anyone if they just stand and eat their beam, because it's the same thing as not doding bow after incap
NB doesn't have any burst whatsoever compared to other classes2 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »NB needs huge buffs. Easily all its tooltips could be tripled and it would be still be lightyears behind the PVP God Classes like Necro and Arcanist
At this point necro and arcanist are way stronger1 -
Kleoxcv✭✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
Is this a joke? Have you even read the post? You'd never reach NBs crit damage cap + NB doesn't have any burst or "one shot potential"|, stop complaining about NB if it's just a class you don't like and want it nerfed
You will get to the cap quite easily actually. NB was reaching 100% crit damage easily pre subclassing, reaching the new cap will be easy.
Ele sus 10% crit damage
Warden is getting 20% crit damage buff
Arcanist has 20% crit damage buff
Mora’s scribe thesis 12% etc
Monomyth 20%
Possible 18% crit damage buff from champion points
Minor force 10% crit damage
There are way more sources of crit damage I haven’t even included1 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Have you gotten lost in time travel? The bomb assassin from before u46, and the animal assassin from the past year, have been the most popular PVP combinations. If you're really into PVP, how could you miss it?
Insults are not necessary. I enjoy PvP, just not in this game. My NB gets killed by DK and templars and now Arcanist. I am not seeing NB in PvP when I go in. If what you are saying is that people are mixing classes to beat classes, then that is not a NB at all. He was saying pure class. You cannot have a pure class if you are mixing the class with other skills.
I want to remind you that before U46, the Techies Assassin and ganking Assassin builds were consistently popular and powerful. After U46, through its subclasses, the Nightblade skill tree became top in both PvP and PvE.
This change only slightly balances Nightblade's dominance. Furthermore, NB is a class that hasn't been reworked yet, so comparing it to New-Dragon Knight isn't objective.
They were never powerful. They were popular because NB is a popular archetype, is fun to play, non dlc class and has access to cloak which many new players like, but problems I described here applied to NB long before subclassing
You just don't like NB and want NB to get nerfed without any argumentation, read my original message and tell me how I'm wrong
It's funny how I always write massive posts about how weak NB's burst is, people don't even read it, write "what are you talking about, it's good" without EVER trying to justify their words. I know why, because it's impossible to justify, you just want NB to get nerfed because you don't like this class, even tho it's by far weakest class atm2 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
Is this a joke? Have you even read the post? You'd never reach NBs crit damage cap + NB doesn't have any burst or "one shot potential"|, stop complaining about NB if it's just a class you don't like and want it nerfed
You will get to the cap quite easily actually. NB was reaching 100% crit damage easily pre subclassing, reaching the new cap will be easy.
Ele sus 10% crit damage
Warden is getting 20% crit damage buff
Arcanist has 20% crit damage buff
Mora’s scribe thesis 12% etc
Monomyth 20%
Possible 18% crit damage buff from champion points
Minor force 10% crit damage
There are way more sources of crit damage I haven’t even included
You need 180%+ crit damage to reach crit cap in pvp atm, you'll never reach it unless you are doing this intentionally which doesn't make sense because other damage buffs would give you more, you'd never reach crit cap in a normal circumstances, please stop trying to get NB nerfed because you don't like the class0 -
Prionyx✭✭✭✭ArctosCethlenn wrote: »
You dorks keep bringing up subclassing builds as if that matters for a discussion on the pure class masteries being terrible. Yeah no *** when you combine assassination with animal companion and storm calling its strong, but that isn't pure nightblade. That very explicitly includes a number of damage buffs and passives which pureblade doesn't have access to.@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Because subclassing that’s why. Why do you think every broken subclass build incorporates NB? Because it’s weakest? How can a class with 1 shot potential prior to class masteries be the weakest?
Damage on the NB is fine. My problem with a NB is that it’s squishy
The masteries are supposed to help the pure classes compete with subclassed meta junk in both pve and pvp, and nightblade's masteries are so heavily nerfed in pvp that they do not. Why does a mastery exist which is only 20% effective vs players?
When are we going to hit Font of Power or Wildfire Embers with -80% effect while battle spirit is active?
You all need to remember that the masteries are there to make it worthwhile for a NB to want to keep shadow, and for a non-soulcleaver or non-healer NB, siphoning.
😂 dorks? Why a personal insult? Anyways if you can read you can see I was just answering a question. Why we weren’t seeing pure NB or Pure classes in general.
Damage wise pure NB is 2nd or 3rd.
Survivability wise that’s a different conversation, but it can hide. I don’t know why ZOS don’t just give the class a reliable Major resolve
Please stop trying to get NB nerfed because you don't like the class, NB is 2nd worst in terms of damage and you can't prove it wrong.Edited by Prionyx on 28 April 2026 11:371