Doubling the number of players in game, when doing things like Tamriel Tomes picking up Mats already is competitive enough and takes a lot of time, is IMHO, a bad idea. Also, what happens to bidding on Guild Traders when all the new Guilds show up and the number of Spots to bid on remains the same?

I think there are Many good reasons to have established games, that have been separate and successful, remain separate.

Major detrimental changes usually do not usually show themselves until After such a major change is implemented.

Between consoles, yes. But PC vs. Console in PVP would be silly

Alastrine wrote: »

No

We don't need this, the game needs other things fixed before it does this. I could just see this being an endless round of glitches and problems. Don't need to create problems, please spend time fixing the ones we already have.

Indeed. At a time when we know ZOS staff numbers have been significantly reduced to the point where we can no longer have regular new content but just reskinned old content we are told that there is a dedicated team working fully on the implementation of Crossplay which won't, however, happen this year. It begs the question of what else they could be working on instead.

I want cross save or being able to import a character to one server or another. I DO NOT want to play along side PC players or console players vice versa.

Console players are at a severe disadvantage when it comes to PC. Console players will suffer and PC players will have the advantage and will be priority in dungeon and trial groups shutting out console players. I don't even want to think how bad PVP will be if PC players are in the mix against console players... it might be funny in a sad way I guess or a fun time if your on PC.

Lastly what about guild traders? The economic implications alone are another thread entirely no thanks just another headache.

allochthons wrote: »

How many times are we going to get this same poll?

Sorry about that, I didn't see the previous polls and today during the maintenance they supposedly worked on this feature on some capacity afaik.

It won't be easy because of many problems. But it is worth implementing.

The most painful I guess will be the naming collisions resolving.
We have no details from ZOS and it is disturbing. I can't imagine yet how it can be solved with all the sides happy. The simplest and the most realistic option - prefixes or suffixes to the names - won't make people happy, I swear.
I hope ZOS will come with some reveal soon.

In-game economy will be affected, sure. Well, I think the effect can be close to the average Anniversary or similar event. Really, we have plenty of things that nuke the economy dramatically from time to time.
Sure, I can be terribly wrong. Anyway I'd love to see kinda detailed prognosis from clever people. I remember some players with strong analytic skills among us.

Technical problems, sure they will be.
Well, I believe in devs. That's, among the other factors, why I still play this game
Actually, I expected that the first steps of crossplay would have been done on the PTS. Like, it should be tested, right? So the first actions for crossplay are prooobably for the test server.
Some changes on _live_ servers, that were made for crossplay this Monday, without any details or premature testing... it is suspicious as fffalkreath.
Well, we won't miss it. I hope we'll have some details from ZOS about it too.

Well, enough about problems.
I remember the PUG community on PC as many-many players, from whom I always could learn something new every day. New tricks, new builds, new ways to die in a trial.
I expect to have the same from crossplay. Because there will be many players that played a bit differently, with their habits, their preferences, and their experience.
I think it will be a very interesting time. Time to learn something new.

allochthons wrote: »

How many times are we going to get this same poll?

until we all answer it "correctly" probably

SilverBride wrote: »

• The economies are too different.

Yes, this will most likely be in the beginning. Markets will find equilibrium eventually and people will mix.

SilverBride wrote: »

• The societal norms are too different.

Bigger difference than with people playing on EU servers, with dozens of nationalities and cultures? And these people shouldn't mix?

Of course there will be an adjustment period, but don't underestimate people. We get along on the EU server just fine, although we have a myriad of cultures mixing. Mixing PC and consoles is not going to be that big of a deal.

SilverBride wrote: »

• Duplicate User IDs and names will have to be dealt with.

Yup. That is a task for the dev team, not us.

SilverBride wrote: »

• Duplicate guild names will have to be dealt with.

Yup. That is a task for the dev team, not us.

SilverBride wrote: »

• There will not be enough merchants for all the trade guilds.

A really good point. My guess is they will increase the amount of merchants throughout Tamriel.

Votes Yes with concerns. Bottom line, the game needs players to remain alive.

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

• The economies are too different.

Yes, this will most likely be in the beginning. Markets will find equilibrium eventually and people will mix.

SilverBride wrote: »

• There will not be enough merchants for all the trade guilds.

A really good point. My guess is they will increase the amount of merchants throughout Tamriel.

The two items are tied together. Some trading guilds will most likely shut down for various reasons. One being there is more competition with more trading guilds. Players will migrate to the more active trade guilds, leading to upheaval. A new normal will emerge, which some players will not like as change scares a lot of people.

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

• The economies are too different.

Yes, this will most likely be in the beginning. Markets will find equilibrium eventually and people will mix.

SilverBride wrote: »

• The societal norms are too different.

Bigger difference than with people playing on EU servers, with dozens of nationalities and cultures? And these people shouldn't mix?

Of course there will be an adjustment period, but don't underestimate people. We get along on the EU server just fine, although we have a myriad of cultures mixing. Mixing PC and consoles is not going to be that big of a deal.

SilverBride wrote: »

• Duplicate User IDs and names will have to be dealt with.

Yup. That is a task for the dev team, not us.

SilverBride wrote: »

• Duplicate guild names will have to be dealt with.

Yup. That is a task for the dev team, not us.

SilverBride wrote: »

[*] There will not be enough merchants for all the trade guilds.

A really good point. My guess is they will increase the amount of merchants throughout Tamriel.

That last one is a puzzler to me.

Bids for traders are already crazy on PC (vs the 'weekly returns') to the point that many of us haven't traded 'for profit' for a long, long time; we trade to be able to finance the trader with the proceedings.

I have no reason to believe that console trading guilds are not at the very least as competitive as PC ones, if not more due to the fact that they had to conduct their business for most of their 'lives' without any addons (which requires serious dedication).

Unless some sorcery takes place with crossplay when it comes to trading guilds 'shark infested waters' is not going to come even close to the carnage that is going to be unleashed.

EDIT: I don't see 'increasing the number of merchants' as a solution either unless they want to undertake the work involved in 'remodelling' existing zones to accommodate them.

Not all traders are equal, not by a long shot, so when three trading guilds converge on the same 'desirable' trader after crossplay is enabled, 'oh but you have now traders available in the **** end of nowhere' ain't gonna cut it.

Is already a 'race to the bottom' to see who runs out of means first when it comes to hiring the most desirable spots, triple the competition overnight... as I said is going to be carnage.

Bguk wrote: »

Votes Yes with concerns. Bottom line, the game needs players to remain alive.

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

• The economies are too different.

Yes, this will most likely be in the beginning. Markets will find equilibrium eventually and people will mix.

SilverBride wrote: »

• There will not be enough merchants for all the trade guilds.

A really good point. My guess is they will increase the amount of merchants throughout Tamriel.

The two items are tied together. Some trading guilds will most likely shut down for various reasons. One being there is more competition with more trading guilds. Players will migrate to the more active trade guilds, leading to upheaval. A new normal will emerge, which some players will not like as change scares a lot of people.

You make it sound like all those "more active trade guilds" have a surplus of empty member slots open to accommodate the hordes of players who's guilds fold up.

Or that it's simply okay and natural for all those players who've invested years building up their guilds and camaraderie to just dissolve for assimilation into the master race guilds.

Bguk wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Bguk wrote: »

Votes Yes with concerns. Bottom line, the game needs players to remain alive.

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

• The economies are too different.

Yes, this will most likely be in the beginning. Markets will find equilibrium eventually and people will mix.

SilverBride wrote: »

• There will not be enough merchants for all the trade guilds.

A really good point. My guess is they will increase the amount of merchants throughout Tamriel.

The two items are tied together. Some trading guilds will most likely shut down for various reasons. One being there is more competition with more trading guilds. Players will migrate to the more active trade guilds, leading to upheaval. A new normal will emerge, which some players will not like as change scares a lot of people.

You make it sound like all those "more active trade guilds" have a surplus of empty member slots open to accommodate the hordes of players who's guilds fold up.

Or that it's simply okay and natural for all those players who've invested years building up their guilds and camaraderie to just dissolve for assimilation into the master race guilds.

If there is that much invested and camaraderie in a guild, that guild should be fine. Also, notice I didn't say whether it's PC or console guilds. When crossplay happens, there will be guilds on all platforms that will have some strain on players migrating between guilds folding for lack of funds, etc. This is a natural occurrence. Those guilds with strong bonds normally remain in place.

The obscene disparity between PC and Console economies will all but guarantee consoles would be the big loser here. Those guilds will most definitely not be fine. The game's guild structure is built in such a manner that no strength of bond can survive the fallout.

LadyGP wrote: »

YffresTrill wrote: »

I did not vote because my response would be "Overall don't care, but have some concerns." That is, they have not given us any detail about how character names and such will be handled. While I understand this is unlikely, I am concerned that I might be forced to rename some of my characters or have an ugly "-PC" tag appended to them. It would be nice if ZOS could come out and explain how this will be handled.

My 2 second thought on this is they would just offer one/both of the people a way to change their toon name to avoid all this.

And if both players say "My toon's name and identity is very important to me so I'm not changing it!"...?

I'm sure they could just hand out name change tokens like candy - they already do if a name breaks ToS. But some people are hardcore into RP and have had these names for a decade at this point, so changing it is effectively a nonstarter for these people.

The only solution that would be acceptable for both parties would be for ZOS to remove the requirement that every character name on the server be unique. That way everyone could keep the name they care about. Account names still would need to be unique, and those could append a server.
Yes, that means you would have 15 "Geralt of Riverhold"s walking around. But if everything (reports/mail/etc) goes through account name, then it'd still work out. The character name would essentially be just something for RP used in dialogue, and then we already have the "show character/account name" options for people who want to see either one around.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

The obscene disparity between PC and Console economies will all but guarantee consoles would be the big loser here. Those guilds will most definitely not be fine. The game's guild structure is built in such a manner that no strength of bond can survive the fallout.

If there was such a strength of bind it will survive cross play. And if not, the bond was always an illusion.