Tomes weekly challenges too much work

Dimorphos · April 15

I can't be the only one who thinks that the weekly challenges for tamriel tomes are just too much. Why every challenge must be done 5 or 6 times? Once would be just fine and let us have all the tomes from that one time and not divide it 6/6 giving 66 tomes per each. That is just stupid grinding.

These tomes challenges are not real content, they are just work, like daily crafting. I already do daily crafting with 20 characters (we can have that many characters on one account so clearly it was intended) and that alone is a lot of work for one day/every day in a week. I do not need more that.

We lack real content and this can not be the way ESO keeps us busy and distracted. I tell you now I will not be keeping up doing all those weekly challenges, every challenge 6 times and eventually I will grow hating this new system and it will impact on my willingness to play this game altogether. I do not think I am the only one who will feel this way. Also, those seasonal challenges that goes like this: "kill thousand creatures.." wouldn't 100 be just fine? All this is just a way to create distraction and trying to keep us busy while the game receives so little actual playable new content. This is at least how I feel and I feel it strongly. I provided a picture to clarify all this.

Silaf · April 15

For me they are way too easy. I'm having fun completing the tome wile i talk with my guildmates on discord but they end way too fast. It takes 1 hour... and for an endgame player after that there is little to do.

Night market will bring new content but i wish i had a way to grind more when i have time.

opalcity · April 15

It doesn't feel much different to me than having daily endeavours. You don't have to do everything all at once, you have a whole week so spread it out.

Killing 10 or so enemies a day for 100 days is nothing. You could just do one of the daily WB quests and your have it done before the season ran out.

It's only a job if you make it a job.

It's your choice to do crafting on all twenty characters, you gave yourself that job.

AzuraFan · April 15

I think they're about right, especially since you can carry challenges over to the next week. And if you want an easy week, re-roll for duplicates. Difficult right now because you can't use gold so it's easy to run out of re-rolls, but when you can use gold, you could try for duplicates.

twisttop138 · April 15

If you think it's too much work, that's ok. Just don't do all of it. Battle passes are exactly for keeping players busy on content that was already produced. That's just how it is now while they move to seasonal, smaller content drops.

I understand that battle passes are put in place because they work. Because players will grind them and pay for the privilege, but I implore players. Please don't treat it like a grind. They are simple tasks. Kill a wb, a public dungeon boss, pick flowers, use the blade of woe. Try to incorporate some into your daily routine but don't stress if you don't finish them all. You will get plenty of time points and all the rewards by doing a minimum amount of tomes. What did they say, earning a few hundred tome points a day will get everything in the pass by the end? These tasks are not too hard or grindy unless you make them.

L_Nici · April 15

I agree for the material grinding that it is to much, but 3 keeps in Cyrodiil is really not much, you can do it in less than 1 hour. 2 Arenas is okay too, did Maelstrom twice in 1 hour. Being forced to beat a specific boss 5 times is stupid too, I would agree to it, if it would be just 5 random bosses.

BretonMage · April 15

Yeah, I find them a bit too repetitive. I don't mind repeating a task a couple of times, but 6 times gets a bit tedious. More variety would be appreciated.

whitecrow · April 15

You can do them just once. You will still get tokens. Just not as many as you would if you did them 5 times.

Dimorphos · April 15

opalcity wrote: »

It doesn't feel much different to me than having daily endeavours. You don't have to do everything all at once, you have a whole week so spread it out.

Killing 10 or so enemies a day for 100 days is nothing. You could just do one of the daily WB quests and your have it done before the season ran out.

It's only a job if you make it a job.

It's your choice to do crafting on all twenty characters, you gave yourself that job.

It is still quite too much to do if you only get these 5-6/6 challenges. It is too much repeating. And while having 20 characters on my account and doing daily crafting with all of them is my choice, the developers certainly meant it that way otherwise the character limit per account would be much lower. Doing daily crafting is the nro1 task to keep up with materials and gold gain in this game. I will never-ever see this any other way than that this is their way to keep us grinding same tasks because they can't deliver enough new and exiting REAL content to the game. And I mean this in no hateful way, I like the new road they chose for ESO and all those new things they added and changes they made, but I am 100% sure about this that the repeating tome challenges needs to be tuned down.

lillybit · April 15

I got all 5 of this weeks done in a couple of hours. Spread over a whole week it would've been less work than the old endeavours used to be - especially the "kill 20 world bosses" one which felt like a lot more work even over a week.

There's definitely quick ones if you don't stress about getting the most possible points with all of them.

The only one that took a bit longer was the 1k kills seasonal one, but as it still has over a couple of months left it's easy to park for now - after next Monday's patch delves and other instances will count for it too so it'll probably be doable alongside weeklies

Dimorphos · April 15

twisttop138 wrote: »

If you think it's too much work, that's ok. Just don't do all of it. Battle passes are exactly for keeping players busy on content that was already produced. That's just how it is now while they move to seasonal, smaller content drops.

I understand that battle passes are put in place because they work. Because players will grind them and pay for the privilege, but I implore players. Please don't treat it like a grind. They are simple tasks. Kill a wb, a public dungeon boss, pick flowers, use the blade of woe. Try to incorporate some into your daily routine but don't stress if you don't finish them all. You will get plenty of time points and all the rewards by doing a minimum amount of tomes. What did they say, earning a few hundred tome points a day will get everything in the pass by the end? These tasks are not too hard or grindy unless you make them.

If you don't do them all you will miss tome points. I don't think that is optimal.

Dimorphos · April 15

BretonMage wrote: »

Yeah, I find them a bit too repetitive. I don't mind repeating a task a couple of times, but 6 times gets a bit tedious. More variety would be appreciated.

Yes indeed. As I pointed out too having to repeat same task 2/2 times is more than enough.

Dimorphos · April 15

whitecrow wrote: »

You can do them just once. You will still get tokens. Just not as many as you would if you did them 5 times.

Then you will miss out tome points which is just wasting. Not optimal at all.

LootAllTheStuff · April 15

As long as people view these as the week long tasks they are, and don't treat them as dailies, they don't seem too bad. Just as with previous daily/weekly endeavours, it's not too hard to find ones that can be done either while doing something else or while travelling between other tasks. Grab a few resource nodes here, a few more there, and they accumulate pretty quickly. (Well, unless your the sort of player who rides like the wind everywhere they go...)

Nemesis7884 · April 15

They are super fine... i never needed more than 2 hours for them...gives me something to do

Giaur · April 15

The tome quest, weekly as well as seasonal, are boring as hell. Therefore, I just canceled my subscription. No content, no money!

AScarlato · April 15

My feelings on this feel as RNG as the challenges I get. Week 1 I got only gathering, even after re-rolls so I was unhappy.

Last week I got lots of high-value challenges for activities I enjoy. (Dungeons/BGs)

This week I got mostly gathering again, so I'm unhappy again.

I'm just going to ignore these on weeks I don't get anything I want to do, rather than torture myself.

twisttop138 · April 15

Dimorphos wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

If you think it's too much work, that's ok. Just don't do all of it. Battle passes are exactly for keeping players busy on content that was already produced. That's just how it is now while they move to seasonal, smaller content drops.

I understand that battle passes are put in place because they work. Because players will grind them and pay for the privilege, but I implore players. Please don't treat it like a grind. They are simple tasks. Kill a wb, a public dungeon boss, pick flowers, use the blade of woe. Try to incorporate some into your daily routine but don't stress if you don't finish them all. You will get plenty of time points and all the rewards by doing a minimum amount of tomes. What did they say, earning a few hundred tome points a day will get everything in the pass by the end? These tasks are not too hard or grindy unless you make them.

If you don't do them all you will miss tome points. I don't think that is optimal.

True. What I'm suggesting is don't try to optimize the fun out of it. Some of them can be a lot. I had 5 or 6/6 kill 25 flame atronochs. But I just went about the game and it came naturally. For sure get your points, but just try to work it into what you're already doing. I had pick 15 enchanting nodes 6 times, so anywhere I went I picked nodes. I'll do the same this week with blacksmithing. If you look at it like it's this huge unfun grind, then it's going to be a huge unfun grind.

twisttop138 · April 15

AScarlato wrote: »

My feelings on this feel as RNG as the challenges I get. Week 1 I got only gathering, even after re-rolls so I was unhappy.

Last week I got lots of high-value challenges for activities I enjoy. (Dungeons/BGs)

This week I got mostly gathering again, so I'm unhappy again.

I'm just going to ignore these on weeks I don't get anything I want to do, rather than torture myself.

In update 50 you'll get unlimited rerolls for gold, so you should be able to get tasks you want regardless. Still though, if you do some each week, no matter what you'll get enough points. Though ones I don't wanna do, I just ignore. I don't feel like doing 2 more vMAs so I'm not. When it's for gold I'll just try to get all dungeons and trials. Oh and that world boss in Bangkori that counts as 2.

AScarlato · April 15

twisttop138 wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

My feelings on this feel as RNG as the challenges I get. Week 1 I got only gathering, even after re-rolls so I was unhappy.

Last week I got lots of high-value challenges for activities I enjoy. (Dungeons/BGs)

This week I got mostly gathering again, so I'm unhappy again.

I'm just going to ignore these on weeks I don't get anything I want to do, rather than torture myself.

In update 50 you'll get unlimited rerolls for gold, so you should be able to get tasks you want regardless. Still though, if you do some each week, no matter what you'll get enough points. Though ones I don't wanna do, I just ignore. I don't feel like doing 2 more vMAs so I'm not. When it's for gold I'll just try to get all dungeons and trials. Oh and that world boss in Bangkori that counts as 2.

If I spend a lot of time questing, I simply don't earn enough money to blow it on rerolling battle pass entries. I guess it's nice as an option but I don't plan on spending a sometimes limited resource for some playstyles on another that I also have to do chores for.

Unless I get to pick the exact task, then maybe I would. But I assume I can spend gold just to get more nauseating gathers or trials I won't be doing.

Tandor · April 15

Dimorphos wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

You can do them just once. You will still get tokens. Just not as many as you would if you did them 5 times.

Then you will miss out tome points which is just wasting. Not optimal at all.

Not bothering about tome points enables an optimal use of time for some players...

valenwood_vegan · April 15

I mean I wish they were less repetitive and more of a variety of tasks were added (I imagine they will be eventually).

But I can't say I find them too difficult, I've been finishing them in a couple hours the day they reset. If I'm busy, I can save them up for when I have more time. To me, that's way better than logging in *every* day for endeavors.

Arunei · April 15

If you're doing a full seven (or six if you don't have Summerset for JC) on 20 characters every day, you're probably getting a decent amount of Surveys. Use those to help with any mat harvesting Challenges you get.

I do agree that a lot of the specific ones (like having to kill specific kinds of Atronach) are more annoying. A lot of the specific ones should be generic (kill X number of Atronachs, kill X WB, do the Group Event in X Public Dungeon, etc), because as it is funneling people into the same limited area makes for VERY frustrating incidents of not getting credit for certain kills, waiting for mobs/bosses to respawn instead of being able to go to different places, and so on.

It also makes it easier to achieve because someone might do a lot of WBs but only in a specific Zone, or they might farm a certain Public Dungeon for things and be able to do the Group Event there. Forcing people into specific areas has never been a popular and ZOS knows this so I don't get why they keep doing it.

Especially since there are generic ones like "Clear a Trial" and you aren't forced into doing specific ones. Why be forced into doing specific WBs or Public Dungeons?

BardokRedSnow · April 15

im already done with them lol, was able to reroll so multiple lines were the same thing. Its fine as is, its not meant to be done all in a day but if you want, you can easily do them within an hour or so.

AScarlato · April 15

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

im already done with them lol, was able to reroll so multiple lines were the same thing. Its fine as is, its not meant to be done all in a day but if you want, you can easily do them within an hour or so.

Sure, if you are lucky enough for RNG to give you easy duplicates.

KalevaLaine · April 15

Yeah its all about RNG.

Last two weeks I could do (after 2 or 3 changes) do 4/5 in 10 mins via Dolmen or something.

And 15 ressources are quite easy with surveys imo.

BardokRedSnow · April 15

AScarlato wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

im already done with them lol, was able to reroll so multiple lines were the same thing. Its fine as is, its not meant to be done all in a day but if you want, you can easily do them within an hour or so.

Sure, if you are lucky enough for RNG to give you easy duplicates.

you get ten rerolls and even amongst the ones i didnt feel like doing, they're all trivial. i didnt wanna pick alchemy ingredients and got 3 for incursions instead, by accident really. Its not at all hard. Was similar last time also.

AScarlato · April 15

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

im already done with them lol, was able to reroll so multiple lines were the same thing. Its fine as is, its not meant to be done all in a day but if you want, you can easily do them within an hour or so.

Sure, if you are lucky enough for RNG to give you easy duplicates.

you get ten rerolls and even amongst the ones i didnt feel like doing, they're all trivial. i didnt wanna pick alchemy ingredients and got 3 for incursions instead, by accident really. Its not at all hard. Was similar last time also.

You get 5 a week. And for me, most of those have been rerolling one annoying task to another rather than something I'd want to do. Again, RNG.

I literally let out an expletive Tuesday morning (not in game chat which may violate some sort of rule, but IRL) when I saw 5 more gather tasks, and then getting gathering again and running out of rerolls.

LootAllTheStuff · April 15

AScarlato wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

im already done with them lol, was able to reroll so multiple lines were the same thing. Its fine as is, its not meant to be done all in a day but if you want, you can easily do them within an hour or so.

Sure, if you are lucky enough for RNG to give you easy duplicates.

you get ten rerolls and even amongst the ones i didnt feel like doing, they're all trivial. i didnt wanna pick alchemy ingredients and got 3 for incursions instead, by accident really. Its not at all hard. Was similar last time also.

You get 5 a week. And for me, most of those have been rerolling one annoying task to another rather than something I'd want to do. Again, RNG.

I literally let out an expletive Tuesday morning (not in game chat which may violate some sort of rule, but IRL) when I saw 5 more gather tasks, and then getting gathering again and running out of rerolls.

I hope that, at some point, ZoS are able to figure out a way to filter tasks on rerolls a bit better so you truly get something in a different category entirely. Perhaps they could also make it so that the initial rolls are one from each of a set of categories (gather resources, kill specific enemies, complete delves, kill WBs, run a group dungeon/trial, PvP, ...). If there's a category someone doesn't want, then rerolling should pull from the other available categories. That would be a nice QoL upgrade.

SkaiFaith · April 15

Points of view

twisttop138 · April 15

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Points of view

The dichotomy of man. On full display in the forums 7 days a week.

As for challenges. We gotta try to remember also that this is their first outing. I didn't want the battle pass but it's here and not going away. They seem to be open to feedback so Im sure it's something that will get dialed in.