Motif Drop Rate is Broken!!! >.<

sflanagan21ub17_ESO · May 2014

I'll have to disagree with the OP. Personally I was disappointed when the game launched and the motif drop rate wasn't modified. Motif farming was rampant during the betas...In my opinion finding a motif in a box, vase, urn, desk, etc...Should have been a rarity, not something that happened every few hours while adventuring.

Seeking out a crafter with a particular motif seemed like a cool idea, but when everyone has all the motifs, it took something away from that notion. So I'll have to say that I think the adjustment was needed.

With that said however, I hate the fact that some people do have stacks of the motifs simply because they didn't adjust the drop rate prior to launch.

For my own personal experience over the past week, I've run across one motif and when I opened my bag (I have autoloot enabled with no addons to tell what I've looted), I was almost giddy to find that I received an Ancient Elf motif yesterday.

Food4Thought · May 2014

Drachenfier wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

gunsofdeschain wrote: »

Not a single motif found in the last two weeks and I have looted a heap.

Not only have I not found a motif in about a week and a half, I've sold two stacks of lockpicks to the vendor. Two stacks. I'm provisioning so I loot everything. I also hardly ever see provisioning recipes anymore.

Provisioning seems to be skewed by faction, my Admeri Dominion characters get loads, my Ebonheart Pact character has none, and my Covenent character has only a few.

It's not just provisioning.

On my EP characters (three of them) going through the starter islands and up through stonefalls, I had a full jewelry set by level 7 or so from quest rewards (one of the very first quests in Davon's watch gives a blue ring), i had glyph drops out the ying yang (on all three). On my DC character, didn't get a single piece of jewelry from quest until I did the first harborage quest around level 8. I hardly ever get glyphs, ever. I think in 10 levels I've deconned maybe 8 glyphs from mob drops.

I have started to notice changes in storage loot drops. I too can't get rid of all the lockpicks I have gathered and I open more chests than I care to remember (I think I have three lockpicking achievements at this point).

But recipes are few and far between, I haven't seen a motif in a drop in at least two weeks, (not that I really care as I am only missing one common motif at this point but using it as an example), and don't get me started on resource nodes.

On the Dominon side of the house we seem to have gotten short changed on the enchanting node numbers. Playing on EP I back in the beta days, I seem to trip over the darn things. On the AD side, I actually have to look for them. The places they are at is usually easy to find. Creek beds, lake shores, runes, etc. But on AD, look in the normal spots and you end up with nothing.

As for the other resource nodes, I didn't start having issues until I hit Grahtwood. Then the Blacksmithing nodes seemed to dry up. It got to the point where making a full set of armor and weapons every two levels was getting difficult.

darthbelanb14_ESO · May 2014

Blade_07 wrote: »

I been trying for days to get just 1 motif and I'm getting NOTHING! Every house/dungon I search I come up empty handed.......80$ for this grief! Wanna nerf something....fricken nerf the damn lock picks!!!!!!!!!!! >.<

I doubt you paid $80 solely for the motifs. I've been playing since the beginning and have yet to find a motif, but others are finding plenty, so I don't think it's broken, it's just luck, or bad luck.

SadisticSavior · May 2014

Blade_07 wrote: »

I been trying for days to get just 1 motif and I'm getting NOTHING! Every house/dungon I search I come up empty handed.......80$ for this grief! Wanna nerf something....fricken nerf the damn lock picks!!!!!!!!!!! >.<

LOL

I got 3 new motifs Sunday alone (Nord, Argonian and my 4th Khajit). Doing nothing but casual farming in the bank. You're either looking in the wrong places or you're not looking hard enough.

Short answer: Yes, they are dropping. So it isn't the game.

SadisticSavior · May 2014

I have gotten all of the common ones at least twice except for Imperial and High Elf. For some reason those are rare...I have not even seen the Imperial one for sale. I guess I got lucky when I found mine. Still have not gotten a High Elf one.

Jeremy_gelber_ESO · May 2014

Food4Thought wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Haven't seen a motif drop in over a week

Same if not even longer. It is funny too. I got 8 out of ten commons in no time with virtually no overlap. The ninth took a while and I still am missing the 10th.

For the lower level player crafters I run into, very few seem to have learned any motifs. I have been wondering if maybe the drop rate for the common and rare motifs were modified soon after release to the point they hardly drop at all now.

imp is considered a rare motif. only 1-9 are common

Blade_07 · May 2014

TomSamuel wrote: »

they are rarer now as they should have been, I found one Breton one since the patch . Im glad . Prices for them will increase. It was *** before , I'd just put them in a random guild bank

I agree that the drop rate was to high but now its to low. Everybody has been going a week or better without 1 drop of a motif or a blue recipe & above. Infact I dont think anybody has gotten epic level recipes at all. I have not seen anybody selling any and I have not gotten any at all. The drop rate on those suckers was a bit to low to start with and now its probably .1% or 0%(broken).

Carnagan · May 2014

I don't see much of a problem with the current rate. I went several levels/weeks without finding any motifs. Then I found three copies of the Ancient Elf motif in over two days of playing.

I'm OK with either waiting to eventually come across it. The numbers will favour me eventually after all.

SadisticSavior · May 2014

Blade_07 wrote: »

TomSamuel wrote: »

they are rarer now as they should have been, I found one Breton one since the patch . Im glad . Prices for them will increase. It was *** before , I'd just put them in a random guild bank

I agree that the drop rate was to high but now its to low. Everybody has been going a week or better without 1 drop of a motif or a blue recipe & above. Infact I dont think anybody has gotten epic level recipes at all.

I have two. Don't remember the other one, but I know I have this one.

http://esohead.com/recipes/689-consummate-black-night-cordial

I will probably end up selling it since I have little interest in provisioning.

As for motifs, I have not seen any real change in the drop rate. They are still dropping for me about the same as they were the first week. Not the ones I want though (High elf and Imperial). I have more Khajit motifs than I ever wanted...4 so far.

Tanabe · May 2014

i got a rare mofit last night, its is meant to be rare, and joyfull when you find one, or else there in no marked for em aswell.
same go for the purple provisioning recipes.

Drachenfier · May 2014

SadisticSavior wrote: »

Blade_07 wrote: »

I been trying for days to get just 1 motif and I'm getting NOTHING! Every house/dungon I search I come up empty handed.......80$ for this grief! Wanna nerf something....fricken nerf the damn lock picks!!!!!!!!!!! >.<

LOL

I got 3 new motifs Sunday alone (Nord, Argonian and my 4th Khajit). Doing nothing but casual farming in the bank. You're either looking in the wrong places or you're not looking hard enough.

Short answer: Yes, they are dropping. So it isn't the game.

Ok, lets rephrase: They're not dropping for people that opening containers as they go. You really shouldn't relate your "bank farming" experience as an example of a decent drop rate, who the hell wants to log in and out all day long and farm containers in a building?

Artemiisia · May 2014

I disagree with OP as well, I super happy its the way it is now.

At this point, when I suddenly see blue motif in the bag, I put my hands up in the air and scare the nighbours with my yelling out load

YEAHHHHHHH !!!!!

Abeille · May 2014

The RNG gods hate you. It doesn't mean it is broken, you are just unlucky.

SadisticSavior · May 2014

Drachenfier wrote: »

SadisticSavior wrote: »

Blade_07 wrote: »

I been trying for days to get just 1 motif and I'm getting NOTHING! Every house/dungon I search I come up empty handed.......80$ for this grief! Wanna nerf something....fricken nerf the damn lock picks!!!!!!!!!!! >.<

LOL

I got 3 new motifs Sunday alone (Nord, Argonian and my 4th Khajit). Doing nothing but casual farming in the bank. You're either looking in the wrong places or you're not looking hard enough.

Short answer: Yes, they are dropping. So it isn't the game.

Ok, lets rephrase: They're not dropping for people that opening containers as they go. You really shouldn't relate your "bank farming" experience as an example of a decent drop rate, who the hell wants to log in and out all day long and farm containers in a building?

Who said I log in and out all day? I just check the trunks and desks at the bank while I'm there. I never deliberately log in and out just to farm stuff (motifs or otherwise).

Thats why I called it "casual" farming...I just do it when I happen to be there. I don't go out of my way to farm, but if I am there anyway, I shake down the bank bank to see if anything falls out.

IMO people are either giving up too easily or looking in the wrong places. Looking in sacks, cupboards, small urns, crates, and backpacks is a waste of time IMO. And the drop rate looks pretty random...you could open up 150 things or more, and find no motifs. Or you could open up 30 things and find two. Both have happened to me before.

I don't even look for them for money anymore...once I find a High Elf motif (the last one I need) I will probably stop looking completely till I get to the vet zones. The only reason I sell them is cuz I don't want to see them wasted.

sr383 · May 2014

Common motifs are still dropping for me. I got 3 in 2 days, this week, but my wife says she hasn't seen one in a while. It seems very random.

With about 10 alts between us, we've yet to lay eyes on a Bosmer, but the other commons seem pretty abundant. No one buys in my guilds, though, so motifs are just another inventory headache. ...

ChairGraveyard · May 2014

All the people lauding the new broken drop rate = people that got theirs, so screw everyone else. As long as their motifs are worth more they're happy.

Drachenfier · May 2014

sr383 wrote: »

Common motifs are still dropping for me. I got 3 in 2 days, this week, but my wife says she hasn't seen one in a while. It seems very random.

With about 10 alts between us, we've yet to lay eyes on a Bosmer, but the other commons seem pretty abundant. No one buys in my guilds, though, so motifs are just another inventory headache. ...

I've gotten one since April 30th, and that was a khajit motif I looted last night. Now, I'm trying to level provisioning, so I open every single container I see.

SadisticSavior · May 2014

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

All the people lauding the new broken drop rate = people that got theirs, so screw everyone else. As long as their motifs are worth more they're happy.

There is nothing I have done that you could not also have done.

And motifs are still dropping. People who are complaining are not trying IMO. I don't think there is anything special about my account.

I don't care if motifs increase in price. I do care that motifs remain rare. If everyone can make everything, there is no reason to buy stuff from other players. This is an MMO, not a single player game.

Drachenfier · May 2014

I'm not sure why you want racial motifs rare....any level 1 character made in that faction can craft them. I can see primal, daedric, etc being rare, but Argonian? What's the point of that?

And, of course, the downside to this, is that provisioning recipes are now also rare. On my newest alt, I've gotten 6 provisioning recipes in 10 levels. Around launch, I'd have 6 before I left Coldharbor, which means I have even more stockpiled provisioning mats because I don't know if I'll need them or not.

AlMcFly · May 2014

SadisticSavior wrote: »

People who are complaining are not trying IMO.

Don't be a troll.

I spent nine hours on Sunday May 4th logging in and out collecting provisioning materials within a V6 zone. I saw a grand total of zero motifs, zero recipes, zero palladium, and 3 Daedra Hearts. This entire week I have been opening every container I see as I got 100% completion on the V6 and V7 zones. I only saw a few Palladium and Daedra Hearts that entire time.

But you know...I guess this doesn't qualify as "trying" hard enough. :rolls eyes:

My farming was considered pretty hardcore. If I've found nothing, the regular players ON AVERAGE are finding even less, REGARDLESS of what a few outlier players find.

Nebthet78 · May 2014

I have found two motifs in the last couple of days.. Mind you they are ones I already have. Orc and Wood elf.. I still have a few extra others.. I am hoping to Find a Breton and Argonian eventually.

As for Provisioning Recipes, they are dropping for me like crazy. I found four Blue (RI#4, Quality 2) in addition to a few green ones today.

I need to find another forum I can go to in order to organize trades..

KerinKor · May 2014

Lkory wrote: »

Blade_07 wrote: »

lol, just got primal. About damn time! I bragged about in zone chat and somebody offered me 50k for it. Nope!

Think it was better before, 50k for primal or barbaric...damn! Imagine how much is Deadric worth now.

Got RMT mail spam yesterday with Ancient Elf and Daedric were being sold for 100k.

AlexDougherty · May 2014

The only Motif I found was after the patch, before that I found nothing, so as far as I'm concerned the patch made things better.

Reevster · May 2014

Less is good, maybe now less spam of people trying to sell them.

SadisticSavior · May 2014

AlMcFly wrote: »

SadisticSavior wrote: »

People who are complaining are not trying IMO.

Don't be a troll.

The people complaining are the ones trolling...obviously this stuff is dropping.

AlMcFly wrote: »

I spent nine hours on Sunday May 4th logging in and out collecting provisioning materials within a V6 zone. I saw a grand total of zero motifs, zero recipes, zero palladium, and 3 Daedra Hearts.

So why did I get 3? What makes me special?

It's never a guarantee. It's random. I've gone hundreds of tried finding nothing and a few dozen finding two. But if you are looking in the wrong place or not looking at all, your chances are zero.

SadisticSavior · May 2014

Drachenfier wrote: »

I'm not sure why you want racial motifs rare....any level 1 character made in that faction can craft them.

And if you are constantly levelling your skills in 8 different characters, or if you never want to craft beyond level 14 items, thats a great solution. For most people, that won't be good enough. I personally would not want to juggle all those characters to do it anyway.

Drachenfier wrote: »

I can see primal, daedric, etc being rare, but Argonian? What's the point of that?

Mixing and matching to create a unique set.

Selthius · May 2014

Zenimax realized instant gratification will not hold players for a prolonged amount of time. Good for them... finally. Instead of QQ you should adapt to what the game is becoming, don't worry that so and so has this before you do and now it takes longer to get it, and realize there is no technique to getting everything you want right away. This game isn't here to coddle you, it takes time, effort and that extra bit of dedication to get the rarer things now and that's how it should be.

So congrats to everyone who got max lvl and all the rare stuff when it was broken and in easy mode, I will get much more satisfaction playing it as it was intended to be played and getting everything I want. Don't brag about it, it's no more of an accomplishment than editing a save game file to beat a game.

And don't whine and complain because you couldn't exploit along with the other players who have, didn't get a drop when the rare drop rates were way too high, and aren't max level because you couldn't grind through the VR levels. Play the game realizing this is a MMO and is going to take a long time to do everything you want to do. Throwing hissy fits on the forums isn't going to change anything now, Zenimax had a plan and is tweaking everything until it fits, consider drops tweaked and move on.

Selthius · May 2014

Here's something I've noticed has higher drop rates.

Desks and Cabinets for Style stones and the occasional recipe

Dressers have a higher rate of recipes in them, along with prov mats and completed foods.

Trunks have a mixture of things usually as well, usually prov.

Sacks have mostly prov mats, not to be confused with heavy sacks that have enchanting runes in them.

Crates are full of provisioning stuff.

Backpacks have the most random assortment, have found everything in them.

I have found motifs in everything except sacks and crates (produce stuff obviously too). Don't get discouraged by drop rates, and use the log off and on technique if you are really serious about getting them without buying. Zenimax has considered it and it's one of the reasons the drop rates are so low now. Good luck!