Scribing inflexibility in the wake of DK changes

TunnelMaster · February 20

So I decide to try to go with the flow with the upcoming DK changes. I have one character who is currently an all stamina, all poison DK but I want to give him a scribed ability so he can enjoy Minor Force. (Don't feel like grinding FG with him at the moment.) Vault, on the bow skill line, seems a natural choice because like I said: he's a poison guy and bow is his bread and butter. But in trying to keep with the times, I figure I'll go with the fire damage focus script since there won't be any incentive to deal poison damage as a DK with update 49...

... except CHOOSING THE FIRE DAMAGE FOCUS SCRIPT turns the skill into a magic ability instead of stamina, which would make it the ONLY non-ult ability on the bow skill line that doesn't use stamina. It wouldn't be a huge deal on a hybrid build... but this character has really always been all about stamina and I honestly just want to save his magic for Igneous Weapons - or whatever new cute name that skill is going to get - and healing.

Rant over. Thanks for listening.

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ESO_Nightingale · February 20

Would be nice to pick what cost we want our ability to have.

Carcamongus · February 20

It's so weird for a bow skill to use magicka. I've never heard of a, uh, wizard ranger. Can the reverse also happen and a staff skill cost stamina? If so, beating enemies to death with a staff when?

I'm not happy with the changes to poison damage for DKs and I guess I'll be even less happy if I read about everything else that's changing.

thesarahandcompany · February 20

Carcamongus wrote: »

It's so weird for a bow skill to use magicka. I've never heard of a, uh, wizard ranger. Can the reverse also happen and a staff skill cost stamina? If so, beating enemies to death with a staff when?

I'm not happy with the changes to poison damage for DKs and I guess I'll be even less happy if I read about everything else that's changing.

A Wizard Ranger is not so farfetched. There's definitely concepts of magically enchanted arrows (Frost Arrow, Arcane Arrows, etc.)The reality is that the bus is so far in the ditch IDK how we pull it out. What I mean is, Hybridization, Subclassing, (and to be fair only a lesser extent scribing) has made it worse.

Scribing in and of itself could have been the solution to Hybridization. Example: Poison injection could be scribed to enchant a bow so it does elemental damage (e.g., shoots flame arrows or frost arrows, etc.). It now costs magicka/scales off magicka/spell damage.

Subclassing is not really subclassing. It's a reskinned version of learning new skill lines (like Mages, Fighters, Psijic) using existing class structures. A subclassing system would have been like:

Dragonknight (primary class) with a subclass of Warden. The Dragonknight retains all of its standard abilities, but now it has more of an "icy fire" or other kind of effect. Example, Engulfing Flames would do frost damage, increase frost damage by 6%, apply chilled. Whip would do frost damage and apply chilled. etc. That would change the aesthetic and also open the DK up to new sets and playstyles (like a frost crit DK).

Stam sorc hurricane with Warden subclass would be a blizzard hurricane/does frost damage and instead of giving minor expedition, slows enemies. Etc.

YandereGirlfriend · February 20

Carcamongus wrote: »

It's so weird for a bow skill to use magicka. I've never heard of a, uh, wizard ranger. Can the reverse also happen and a staff skill cost stamina? If so, beating enemies to death with a staff when?

I'm not happy with the changes to poison damage for DKs and I guess I'll be even less happy if I read about everything else that's changing.

The traditional Elder Scrolls series Witchhunter class says, "Hello!"

"Witchhunters are dedicated to rooting out and destroying the perverted practices of dark cults and profane sorcery. They train for martial, magical, and stealthy war against vampires, witches, warlocks, and necromancers."

They are essentially an arcane archer class mixed with a dash of dash of paladin vibes.

Which is an example of a class that we deserved to have embodied in ESO. I would definitely sacrifice something to Molag Bal to get Witchhunter in the game.

Urzigurumash · 5:39AM

DK using a bow was always an unsettling sight to see for me, the class was supposed to be a Physical Damage Earth-themed Knight and Firemage. The mismatch between the 2016 Poison skills - both a Serpent's poison and Sulfurous volcanic gasses - and Bow being the Poison weapon is a good justification for the change. I expect Poison to land on Necromancer or Warden, where Bow is a more natural fit with the ranged skills.

Poison Bow DK really just came about with the idea that the class needed to fulfill Stam DD, since the Earth Knight had to take the Tank role for the mechanical neccesities of PvE.

The true manifestation of StamDK as a Damage Dealing Earth Knight only ever existed in PvP, but it was destroyed by the hybridization of Whip.

DK is a Firemage now I guess, pardon my rejection of BowKnight but I guess all the flavors of StamDK are now united together in non-existence, or what?

I was surprised when the Earth Knight class was supposed to start using a Poison Claw in 2016, but I grew to like it over the years and defended it on this forum for quite a bit.

ZhuJiuyin · 6:25AM

If I remember correctly, in the TES lore, everyone possesses latent magical abilities, differing only in strength. Even in ESO, the Fighters Guild storyline shows that some Fighters Guild members can use abilities like Portal. Therefore, I think the magic consumption of archery skills is acceptable. Furthermore, as others have mentioned, some hybrid classes, such as Witchhunter, Pilgrim, and Spellsword, utilize both magic and stamina simultaneously.

Urzigurumash · 1:33PM

Let me document here that the association of Earth and Green Noxious Gasses predates ESO, from the Lorebook "The Five Far Stars" which appeared as early as Morrowind and still in ESO:

Spread your dark clouds and green vapors!
Birth earthquakes, shatter stones!
Feed the winds with fire!
Flay the tents of the tribes from the land!
Feed the burned earth with our souls!