DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
Their AI moderation 100% is knee-jerk responding to mass reports. Shoot first, review later type of deal.
Danse_Mayhem wrote: »banded together to report this person, who was successfully banned for the use of the F word in zone chat, for an undisclosed amount of time.
Danse_Mayhem wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
Typically, I would 100% agree with you, and personally I play that way myself.
However, in the example given, the player in question is extremely anonymous aside from this one incident. I doubt this kind of thing happens too often, but I also know very well that certain guilds/groups are very aware that mass reporting is a surefire way to have someone lose their account, whether they deserve it or not.
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Danse_Mayhem wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
Typically, I would 100% agree with you, and personally I play that way myself.
However, in the example given, the player in question is extremely anonymous aside from this one incident. I doubt this kind of thing happens too often, but I also know very well that certain guilds/groups are very aware that mass reporting is a surefire way to have someone lose their account, whether they deserve it or not.
But they did type in chat.
I'm not saying it was right at all to get banned for what they said, but if you don't say anything in chat, you will not get banned. Ignore everything that comes through in chat, don't t-bag, and you will never get banned as there is nothing to ban you for at that point.
Players have weaponized the ban system, and that's a huge problem, but it always starts with chatting. If you never reply or simply reply with a simple : ) then you will never get banned for something you said.
BXR_Lonestar wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
I wish that was all that was to it, but its not. Unfortunately, there is a lot of drama in some campaigns about who gets crowned Emperor for your alliance. The reality is that there are some players who are just on a LOT more than others, and thus, if someone outside their circle wants to Emp, there is a price to be paid (typically gold). If you don't suck up to these people or play nice, they tend to ban together to report bomb you, and people have gotten banned just due to the sheer number of reports that were sent. Players get a "free vacation" so to speak while they take a deeper look into the matter.
This situation DOES lead to some salty exchanges, but not always. But the whole Emp mechanic does lead to a lot of toxicity in PVP when it comes to Emp popularity politics, and if you offend the powers that be, you could find yourself wrongfully on the end of a report bomb.
It's actually pushed a lot of quality players out of the game on Xbox NA.
ZOS has claimed several times that AI cannot ban someone, it only flags offenses for human reps to review, has a new policy been announced or is there some evidence that those statements were lies?
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Danse_Mayhem wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
Typically, I would 100% agree with you, and personally I play that way myself.
However, in the example given, the player in question is extremely anonymous aside from this one incident. I doubt this kind of thing happens too often, but I also know very well that certain guilds/groups are very aware that mass reporting is a surefire way to have someone lose their account, whether they deserve it or not.
But they did type in chat.
I'm not saying it was right at all to get banned for what they said, but if you don't say anything in chat, you will not get banned. Ignore everything that comes through in chat, don't t-bag, and you will never get banned as there is nothing to ban you for at that point.
Players have weaponized the ban system, and that's a huge problem, but it always starts with chatting. If you never reply or simply reply with a simple : ) then you will never get banned for something you said.
These are basically my thoughts as well.
There's like that old Cardinal Richelieu quote to the effect of: "Give me ten words written by the hand of an honest man and I will find three that will hang him" that is wise advice in basically any online setting. Why type anything? Nobody ever has to type anything. It's not always easy to do, of course, but it is a nearly peerless defense against this sort of thing.BXR_Lonestar wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
I wish that was all that was to it, but its not. Unfortunately, there is a lot of drama in some campaigns about who gets crowned Emperor for your alliance. The reality is that there are some players who are just on a LOT more than others, and thus, if someone outside their circle wants to Emp, there is a price to be paid (typically gold). If you don't suck up to these people or play nice, they tend to ban together to report bomb you, and people have gotten banned just due to the sheer number of reports that were sent. Players get a "free vacation" so to speak while they take a deeper look into the matter.
This situation DOES lead to some salty exchanges, but not always. But the whole Emp mechanic does lead to a lot of toxicity in PVP when it comes to Emp popularity politics, and if you offend the powers that be, you could find yourself wrongfully on the end of a report bomb.
It's actually pushed a lot of quality players out of the game on Xbox NA.
IMO, there should be some sort of statistical threshold set for player-initiated actions such as Vote Kicks and Reports. If someone is like a Vote Kick or Reporting poweruser then that person ought to be investigated for abuse or weaponization.
It's like another quote: "If you wake up in the morning and meet someone who is a jerk then that person is probably a jerk; if you wake up in the morning and EVERYONE you meet is a jerk... the jerk is probably YOU."
Normal players simply aren't out there constantly Vote Kicking and Reporting.
edward_frigidhands wrote: »ZOS has claimed several times that AI cannot ban someone, it only flags offenses for human reps to review, has a new policy been announced or is there some evidence that those statements were lies?
I don't know to what extent this is true in practice today after all of the recent layoffs.
How much time does an actual person have to review each case and what measures are in place to ensure that a secondary human review isn't just one person having to quickly go through a 100 ai reports only to okay most of them for expedience?
BXR_Lonestar wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »Also, just all the more reason to largely avoid PvP, feels like, which is a real shame. But from watching threads, a lot of the mass report drama seems to happen there.
I have no comment on this thread's content but what you say is definitely not a genuine concern to have about PvP.
Nearly all drama in PvP starts with getting into someone's DMs. If you stay out of people's DMs then you stay out of drama. You can even put yourself in Offline Mode so that nobody can DM you.
Especially if you are just a casual player surfing along with your zone zerg or something, you are basically anonymous and people will leave you completely alone.
I wish that was all that was to it, but its not. Unfortunately, there is a lot of drama in some campaigns about who gets crowned Emperor for your alliance. The reality is that there are some players who are just on a LOT more than others, and thus, if someone outside their circle wants to Emp, there is a price to be paid (typically gold). If you don't suck up to these people or play nice, they tend to ban together to report bomb you, and people have gotten banned just due to the sheer number of reports that were sent. Players get a "free vacation" so to speak while they take a deeper look into the matter.
This situation DOES lead to some salty exchanges, but not always. But the whole Emp mechanic does lead to a lot of toxicity in PVP when it comes to Emp popularity politics, and if you offend the powers that be, you could find yourself wrongfully on the end of a report bomb.
It's actually pushed a lot of quality players out of the game on Xbox NA.
SwordOfSagas wrote: »They always say its everyone else's fault for reporting them, but the fact is if you really didn't do anything against tos you wouldn't be banned no matter how many report you.
CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »SwordOfSagas wrote: »They always say its everyone else's fault for reporting them, but the fact is if you really didn't do anything against tos you wouldn't be banned no matter how many report you.
I mean I get what you're saying but this is definitely not true just based on how many people get unjustly banned only to get their bans reverted once an actual human reviews their ticket.
Yes, you're going to greatly reduce your chance of getting banned if you don't take the bait and respond to hate tells, don't tbag, etc..., but there are plenty of instances of people being banned for seemingly no reason only to finally get someone to review their ticket and reverse the ban.
Danse_Mayhem wrote: »Any thoughts? (I don’t know how to tag staff, if someone could)
