Yet another thing that was abandoned...

Let's not even pretend that the ones we have make a lot of sense either - the ancestral Akaviri style came from a zone that... never had much to do with the Akaviri in the first place?

I do wish we'd get the other reworks, particularly if Ancestral Redguard took more after the OG Redguard style that they removed from the game because it was too revealing it didn't look enough like modern t-shirts. However, I do not want them to keep the same stupid Treasure Map lead sourcing. Why they're stuffing more and more into Treasure Maps instead of literally anywhere else is beyond me.

Honestly, they should just allow Treasure Map leads to drop from zone chests as well and then a lot of complaints about the lead sourcing system would go away.

Do the vampire Khajiit in N. Elsweyr wear an armour style that's available in-game, or is it unique to them?

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

Do the vampire Khajiit in N. Elsweyr wear an armour style that's available in-game, or is it unique to them?

@LootAllTheStuff Isn't that just the Hollowfang style from Moongrave Fane?

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

Most "races" have their ancient motif styles, even the reik ppl. But not major "races" like khajiit, redguard and bosmer.

Khajiit:
Crafting Motif 73: Anequina Style - dates back to 1st Century, 1st Era - not sure how more ancient you get.
Crafting Motif 74: Pellitine Style - dates back to the founding of Pellitine.

Redguard:
Crafting Motif 20: Yokudan Style - Yokuda are the ancestors of the Redguard.

Bosmer:
Crafting Motif 11: Ancient Elf Style - Bosmer are descended from the Aldmeri.

LunaFlora wrote: »

Y'ffre's Fallen Wood style is very similar to the Heavy Wood Elf armour.
not exactly Ancestral, but close.

How? It has wood on it while default bosmer is bone and other animal/insect parts. It's not close.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

Most "races" have their ancient motif styles, even the reik ppl. But not major "races" like khajiit, redguard and bosmer.

Khajiit:
Crafting Motif 73: Anequina Style - dates back to 1st Century, 1st Era - not sure how more ancient you get.
Crafting Motif 74: Pellitine Style - dates back to the founding of Pellitine.

Redguard:
Crafting Motif 20: Yokudan Style - Yokuda are the ancestors of the Redguard.

Bosmer:
Crafting Motif 11: Ancient Elf Style - Bosmer are descended from the Aldmeri.

What a strange reasoning. Altmer have a lot of motifs too and an anscestral style. Same for bretons, orcs etc. It's not the same, and the ancient elf style is not related to bosmer at all. Bosmer may not even be descended from aldmeri if theor origin story is true.

It's a pity they stopped with the ancestral motifs when we still got base racial motifs left. Although as tomofhyrule already brought up so is the treasure map leads a terrible way to get them.

I also wish we get old redguard back. Especially with updated textures. Removing the old light redguard was a crime.

LunaFlora wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Y'ffre's Fallen Wood style is very similar to the Heavy Wood Elf armour.
not exactly Ancestral, but close.

How? It has wood on it while default bosmer is bone and other animal/insect parts. It's not close.

i was referring to appearance of both styles being similar, not materials. i could have specified, but did not think it would be necessary.

to me the styles look similar, they have a similar shape/form.
Similar is not 100% the same appearance.

Similar does not equal "very similar" or "close". I definitely wouldn't consider Y'ffre's Fallen Wood those nor a replacement for basic wood elf, mainly because of the material which is very important in a wood elf style. It's wood, while basic wood elf is bone and chitin. It also only similar in some lines on the chest piece which isn't much, and many chest styles in ESO are like that, because many follow the same mold. Flaps, kneepads and all.

redlink1979 wrote: »

Ancient Bosmer = Ancient Elf

That's basically Ayleid style. There's a time between Ayleids and the current day Bosmer.

Well, if we want to be really precise, there's a difference between the items' lore descriptions and the actual implementation in game anyway. In practice, the Ancient Elf Style is used in game for all kinds of elves that are supposed to be "from the past" somehow. Even St Nerevar wears it while he actually should not:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Nerevar
In any way, it's not Bosmer-specific.

redlink1979 wrote: »

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

Most "races" have their ancient motif styles, even the reik ppl. But not major "races" like khajiit, redguard and bosmer.

Ancient Redguard = Yakudan style
Ancient Bosmer = Ancient Elf
Ancient Khajiit = Pelletine and Anequina

No idea why this keeps getting repeated. More motifs of a culture's style doesn't equal an ancestral version. The ancestral version is an updated version of a base game motifs, not just a style of the same culture. Like Sapiarch, Divine Prosecution, Welkynar aren't all Ancestral High Elf are they? No, Ancestral High Elf is its own thing.

And Ancient Elf has nothing to do with bosmer. It's aldmer, closer to altmer if anything.

Altyri wrote: »

I could be wrong, and apologies if I am, but this seems to be getting bogged down in lore and such but the ancestral styles are basically just updated/cleaner versions of the other styles, not necessarily anything to do with the history of any given race. So ancestral breton is cleaner than breton, ancestral reach is cleaner that barbarian (think thats the right one) etc.
But there isn't currently an ancestral khajiit and so on, that is basically the same as the original khajiit style, but with cleaner/updated textures and such.

That's exactly what they are. It's just a name they used for a "remastered" version of the base race motif.