SwordOfSagas wrote: »

Skorro wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

On PS NA it is already one bar until sometime in the late afternoon most days.

That's a function of demographics more than anything else. 50% of MMO players are in full time employment, a further 25% are full time students. Average age is around 26, but the largest age groups is 25 - 40.

Also, only 50% play more than 18 hours a week.

I have to ask where you're getting these numbers.

I know how to read studies and use Google.

You know that 90% of statistics on the Internet are made up right 🙃

You know we are in a giant simulation made by future Ai right 🤖

Haha WTB Roll-Back to the 90s build!

By the way folks, just to point out the obvious, but Vengeance is coming - so you can avoid it altogether and complain, or actually participate so that you can provide detailed feeback that can improve things and change the direction it goes in. Children or adults, you choose.

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MasterSpatula wrote: »

Two factions deciding to take their ball and go home and the third faction taking advantage of that to steamroll over everything is almost entirely what made the last Vengeance so awful.

So if you want to sabotage the test, don't play. Mind you, that's childish, petty, and willfully mean to the people who actually are engaging in the test. Make your choices, I guess.

I can't be forced to play vengeance and I won't play it. Ever. Never again. I've already been made the fool by being tricked into playing the earlier versions.

Doesn't matter if you play Vengeance or not.

They officially communicated that Vengeance and the new mode are coming regardless. That part has already been decided and is in active development.

ArchMikem wrote: »

ShutUpitsRed wrote: »

Personally, I'm against Vengeance replacing normal Cyrodiil.

I'd rather have Vengeance Cyro than Subclassed Cyro.

This. A thousand times this.^^^^^^^^^

licenturion wrote: »

Doesn't matter if you play Vengeance or not.

They officially communicated that Vengeance and the new mode are coming regardless. That part has already been decided and is in active development.

Yep. And for now I've got a couple good books and plan to do a few small projects around the house with my extra time this week. So in the end this might be a good thing.

speeder is still here even in venge...goodluck

tomofhyrule wrote: »

They straight up said that Grey Host would be active alongside Vengeance for the latter half of that test. If you are interested in keeping Grey Host, the best thing to do is to go into GH during that time while it coexists with vengeance to prove that Vengeance will not be able to compete.

We should get an article introducing the next test in the next two days.

So you're saying they are going to turn gray host on like half way through this vengeance test? Because i thought they said, like a few months ago, it was going to run along side gh during the December test. But then today i saw it was just vengeance.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

By the way folks, just to point out the obvious, but Vengeance is coming - so you can avoid it altogether and complain, or actually participate so that you can provide detailed feeback that can improve things and change the direction it goes in. Children or adults, you choose.

I’m good. Im not beta testing a gamemode that 10 years ago worked just fine. ZoS can push through with this abomination but if GH does get removed. That’s it for me

It’s like Order 66, purge the remaining PvPers off the game. I will never forgive this betrayal if scenario 2 goes ahead

“Just a test” -ZoS

Yep, no Cyrodiil this week, but you still can experience (good) PvP in IC (and sometimes even in the BGs).

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Arboz wrote: »

Yep, no Cyrodiil this week, but you still can experience (good) PvP in IC (and sometimes even in the BGs).

People likely will just not play the game. If people were willing to play imperial city, it would thriving outside of events. But IC is always dead throughout every test. It only had maybe a little relevancy during the first few weeks of no proc and then went back to normal.

Pvp players do not care about Imperial city that much in its current state

Both IC campaigns were poppin' last night, with Cyrodiil regulars and at least a couple groups running around. I'm going back in tonight too.

ShutUpitsRed wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Arboz wrote: »

Yep, no Cyrodiil this week, but you still can experience (good) PvP in IC (and sometimes even in the BGs).

People likely will just not play the game. If people were willing to play imperial city, it would thriving outside of events. But IC is always dead throughout every test. It only had maybe a little relevancy during the first few weeks of no proc and then went back to normal.

Pvp players do not care about Imperial city that much in its current state

Both IC campaigns were poppin' last night, with Cyrodiil regulars and at least a couple groups running around. I'm going back in tonight too.

I was there and yes I have played since release and I did not like it. This is a MMORPG you build your charactors and you play your builds. They’re basically creating a first-person shooter with loadouts that solves the exact problems we’ve been screaming about in ESO PvP for years—speed creep, insane healing, proc-set overload, and groups stacking unlimited buffs.

The issue? They went too far in the opposite direction.

If ZOS doesn’t have the resources or the engine capability to fix the current PvP environment, just say it. Most of us actually understand how the business side works. What we don’t appreciate is pretending everything is fine while building a separate PvP game that addresses all the stuff we’ve been asking to fix.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Something yall dont seem to realize is that what people want from pvp is for people to be killable, including ballgroups. Or maybe y'all do but are going about it the wrong way. As was said by @Durham vengeance isnt going to stop your balancing act, its only going to expose the problems of pvp with the core classes from the start. Sets gave us potential to close the gap between our chosen class and the op ones, and subclassing somewhat has that potential also, but your solution to both lag and revitalizing pvp numbers is a lot simpler.

Mym used to be so much fun, and I believe the last time it was, was during your release of plaguebreak, hrothgars, and Dark Convergence, glitches and problems aside, because it was a damage meta and people were killable. You guys moved in a bad direction when you gave vigor minor resolve, and nerfed the damage perks in the blue tree, making everyone much tankier. Between that, nerfing damage sets that can kill ballgroups like plaguebreak and azura's blight, and scribing skills adding even more healing potential, the game got staler because people stopped dying, making the pvp more frustrating and also attributing to the lag in the game because ballgroups spamming skills and running around keeps for sometimes hours was killing the server. The longer combat goes, the more unstable the game gets per person using skills.

In summation you guys really need to kill healing potential at least by 20 percent, if not 30. Limit heal stacking, unnerf sets that can kill the ballgroups, and when new players complain about the end game pvp being too hard to get into, you need to ignore them because clearly they're not sticking around when it is more accessible. These changes are a lot easier than trying to fundamentally change pvp, and even with vengeance you will still need to cut healing if you really want it to be successful and maintain its audience long term.

Which at this rate I can tell you, it won't.

tldr: nerf heals, bring back the damage meta. More fun for everyone, vengeance or greyhost.