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[REQUEST] Permanent Vengeance Test Campaign
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YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »I do not have a credulous belief in what players say. If someone has spent almost 2 years in Cyrodiil to become a good player then that is not making sense. The underlying mechanisms that not everyone has access to, can be interpreted as not having the right setup for every situation and become a combatable player. But as some players can do whatever they want in every circumstance, without almost any effect from the surroundings makes me believe that something is missing from the standard game. And that makes sense.
What doesn't make sense about someone spending time in a game to get better at it? That’s called practice and it’s how you get good. You can’t just walk into Cyrodiil on day one and start nuking zergs. You practice and test and iterate until you find what works.
If the underlying mechanisms are “the right gear”, literally everyone has access to those things. You can make a meta setup without paying a single dime for this game. The players who “can do whatever they want in every circumstance” know how to react to every circumstance accordingly.
There are fundamental principles to PvP that a lot of people don't understand, and instead of trying to understand them, they just throw around accusations of exploits, unfair advantages, and (in the worst cases) hacks.
I and many others have a strong belief that Cyrodiil is full of cheaters.
This feels like that quip that, "Sufficiently advanced technology can often appear as magic" or however it goes.
There probably are a tiny number of players who actually cheat (e.g. the people who used to fly around in Cyro or levitate up through floors back in the day) but the VAST majority of the time accusations of cheating are simply people coping with the reality that other players are just absurdly good at the game (and/or have absurdly good builds).0 -
Tigor✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »I do not have a credulous belief in what players say. If someone has spent almost 2 years in Cyrodiil to become a good player then that is not making sense. The underlying mechanisms that not everyone has access to, can be interpreted as not having the right setup for every situation and become a combatable player. But as some players can do whatever they want in every circumstance, without almost any effect from the surroundings makes me believe that something is missing from the standard game. And that makes sense.
What doesn't make sense about someone spending time in a game to get better at it? That’s called practice and it’s how you get good. You can’t just walk into Cyrodiil on day one and start nuking zergs. You practice and test and iterate until you find what works.
If the underlying mechanisms are “the right gear”, literally everyone has access to those things. You can make a meta setup without paying a single dime for this game. The players who “can do whatever they want in every circumstance” know how to react to every circumstance accordingly.
There are fundamental principles to PvP that a lot of people don't understand, and instead of trying to understand them, they just throw around accusations of exploits, unfair advantages, and (in the worst cases) hacks.
I and many others have a strong belief that Cyrodiil is full of cheaters.
This feels like that quip that, "Sufficiently advanced technology can often appear as magic" or however it goes.
There probably are a tiny number of players who actually cheat (e.g. the people who used to fly around in Cyro or levitate up through floors back in the day) but the VAST majority of the time accusations of cheating are simply people coping with the reality that other players are just absurdly good at the game (and/or have absurdly good builds).
PvP is just difficult in this gameEdited by Tigor on 18 November 2025 00:311 -
aetherix8✭✭✭✭
I and many others have a strong belief that Cyrodiil is full of cheaters.
And that’s what stopping you and those “many others” from becoming a competitive PvPer. If you only dismiss skill as cheating then you cannot learn from your opponent, and cannot improve your game because you don’t pay attention to what your opponent is doing.
Yes, it takes long to learn to PvP in Cyrodiil. You have to understand your class, your build, your opponents’ class and how to counter it, etc. It takes a considerable effort to improve but it’s possible, and very satisfying when you start to see the results.
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aetherix8✭✭✭✭RaidingTraiding wrote: »please no more vengeance. the same people who want vengeance are the same ones who were begging for a no proc campaign in no cp. that campaigns been dead for years since. where are all those players now? certainly not in that campaign.
Sure, let’s just stop any attempts at improving PvP, be it performance or balance, let’s just leave it as is and “enjoy” the broken mess that just keeps bleeding out players.
PvP players won't play vengeance. That's the flaw in your belief.
ZOS is perfectly capable of fixing their system of PvP if they just put in the time and money to do it.
Vengeance as is, but what about a potential future version that is much closer to the current Cyro?
I have the impression that ZOS is already putting time and money into fixing Cyro - Vengeance tests cost time and money to develop.PC EU - V4hn10 -
Tigor✭✭✭
I and many others have a strong belief that Cyrodiil is full of cheaters.
And that’s what stopping you and those “many others” from becoming a competitive PvPer. If you only dismiss skill as cheating then you cannot learn from your opponent, and cannot improve your game because you don’t pay attention to what your opponent is doing.
Yes, it takes long to learn to PvP in Cyrodiil. You have to understand your class, your build, your opponents’ class and how to counter it, etc. It takes a considerable effort to improve but it’s possible, and very satisfying when you start to see the results.
I know it takes time to become a competitive PvP player and that is just the whole issue. And yes understanding things is very satisfying, but still some opponents? Being competitive is also playing dirty tricks on their terms and that is just not our mindset. Working on my latest character is fun. And yes it is far from ready, and maybe I will change the name of it when the game is ready for it. You need to understand calling players cheaters in an unfair relation or competition is more a behavioural then technical matter. So yes, improving characters is fine. But unsportsmanlike behaviour is not welcome. The current state of the game made this more of a topic. Then in that respect Vengeance is also good to proceed with.0