I'm pretty much indifferent on the subject of subclassing but I know some players think it was one of the better changes to the game and many players have been wanting something like this for years.
Rolling back now in my opinion would cause a good chunk of players to give real thought about leaving the game.

I've been leveling skills for subclassing but haven't done a final build yet.

Honestly, I agree. The game is horribly homogenized at the moment and I would like to see subclassing gone (even if it made my chars more powerful). Subclassing and hybridization were the worst combat additions in my opinion.
Edit: I don't think it's realistically possible to get rid of it, but I would like to see some incentive to play pure classes and I really really wish they'd buff all classes to be on par with arcanist subclasses in terms of usability.

Last'One wrote: »

Of course they should rollback and remove this nonsense of subclassing. But that's exactly why it won't happen, because it doesn't make any sense. So… they will keep it.

Meanwhile, they'll probably find something else to break the game even more.

Koshka wrote: »

"... even if it made my chars more powerful...."

And this is the problem: ESO is not about fun or the game anymore it's only about a DPS race. The fun, the lore, the fantasy, the game we enjoy has turned into nothing more than a DPS race.

No mechanics needed, no tanks needed, no healers needed, no fun needed… just DPS!!!

For me personally, getting the hardest achievements is the most fun thing about the game. And the requirements ZOS sets for these achievements correlates with the best possible performance in a given patch. Therefore it's not really possible to get them without caring about dps.
And what's with tanks and healers not being needed? Those are actually crucial roles in trifecta runs.

Last'One wrote: »

Koshka wrote: »

Last'One wrote: »

Of course they should rollback and remove this nonsense of subclassing. But that's exactly why it won't happen, because it doesn't make any sense. So… they will keep it.

Meanwhile, they'll probably find something else to break the game even more.

Koshka wrote: »

"... even if it made my chars more powerful...."

And this is the problem: ESO is not about fun or the game anymore it's only about a DPS race. The fun, the lore, the fantasy, the game we enjoy has turned into nothing more than a DPS race.

No mechanics needed, no tanks needed, no healers needed, no fun needed… just DPS!!!

For me personally, getting the hardest achievements is the most fun thing about the game. And the requirements ZOS sets for these achievements correlates with the best possible performance in a given patch. Therefore it's not really possible to get them without caring about dps.
And what's with tanks and healers not being needed? Those are crucial roles in trifecta runs.

So, are we going to focus the game on trifectas?

No animation needed anymore, because we need… memory!

You were replying to my comment specifically, though.

And btw, putting your words on a picture won't make them more truthful. Braindead dps is only a thing in super easy content - and ironically, this is the type of content where your dps is irrelevant. In the situations where dps/class balance actually matters, you still need supports, still need to deal with mechanics etc.

I was against subclassing, but now that I am used to it I'd rather them not just remove it from people RPing having various skill lines.

I don't do any content where the meta really impacts me, but I am enjoying the flexibility to diversify my characters. You know, that thing I guess only us casuals are doing lol.

Last'One wrote: »

I really don’t want this to happen… but honestly, how can it not?

Those rnds really left a scar, it seems.

YOU don't like it.... so subclassing should be removed ??

For me it can stay. Its gives fun opportunities

However they should give every class skill line a unique passive that does buffs to a skill line and activates only if you use a skill line from your own class

I have not ever touched Subclassing, not on any character, never even looked at it on the PTS.

And I don't ever intend to.

Eliahnus wrote: »

YOU don't like it.... so subclassing should be removed ??

It's got nothing to do with like or not. Subclassing killed build diversity and any real differences between classes and not to mention the classes and skills that were nerfed just to try and make it work.

We used to have unique playstyles for each class with both Stamina and Magicka builds in the game, now there's Fatecarver.

I gave it a solid chance, even had some positive opinions about it post-launch for a bit. But I made clear that I was worried about how it'd settle after a patch or two, and we've now reached that point.

In endgame PVE and PVP where combat balance actually matters, I firmly believe subclassing has done irreparable damage to the playerbase. The unfettered power brought by this system has just completely ruined any remaining semblance of balance, and has created the most watered down homogenized combat experience I've ever had on ESO.

It is really sad to see, because the game use to be so diverse with all it's different classes and specs, with people running a wide variety of things and doing well. This just doesn't exist in a post subclassing world - when it comes to endgame PVP and PVE, you are now losing an unacceptable amount of power to take suboptimal skill line choices.

I know a lot of the casual players enjoy subclassing, and I am happy for them. Truly. But the sentiment I am seeing from the majority of veteran players is that they are unhappy with where subclassing has landed us - and based on the fact that there has been nearly ZERO balancing since it's introduction, it seems very unlikely that the studio has any intentions of trying to make changes to earn those players back.

Maybe this is just the culmination of years worth of pushing against the endgame community's desires, and the game just isn't being made for us anymore.

React wrote: »

…I know a lot of the casual players enjoy subclassing, and I am happy for them. Truly. But the sentiment I am seeing from the majority of veteran players is that they are unhappy with where subclassing has landed us - and based on the fact that there has been nearly ZERO balancing since it's introduction, it seems very unlikely that the studio has any intentions of trying to make changes to earn those players back…

This is the problem entirely. Skills were imbalanced before Subclassing, what did they expect would happen when people have access to all of them?

We’ve been told time and time again, that ZOS balances with a spreadsheet, yet there are very CLEAR outliers to that rule. If there is a spreadsheet, we need to know the weight of each variable on an ability, otherwise it’s all nonsense.

Twohothardware wrote: »

At first I was willing to give subclassing a chance and it felt like it would be a welcome refresh to the game but now it just feels like there's only one class in the game and the way subclassing was even introduced just didn't make sense.

The game needs a reboot and a refocus back to what made ESO popular in the beginning. Unique play styles between the different classes and a separation between Stamina and Magicka focused builds again.

Hybridization and subclassing has only made the game have less and less build diversity to the point we're basically down to one or two builds because when you can just pick the top 5 best skills and put them together there's no reason to use all the rest.

ESO is just not fun as the game used to be and right now subclassing feels like a hodge podge of things thrown together rather than actual different classes and skills with depth.

We tried subclassing, it didn't really work out that well and my opinion is the game needs to find it's soul again and get back to where we started.

Agree or disagree

I do not only agree i also say add hybridisation to the roll back. With this the ship began to sink.

Establishing a balance of power levels throughout the skill-lines while still encouraging whole-classing in addition to other potential emegent themes like a new weapon skill-line perhaps a spear or an instrument or alteration or conjuring magic skill line could preserve existing thematic ideas while introducing a breath of fresh air into the game.