Cyrodiil pvp is only existing for like 3-4 hours per day

MISTFORMBZZZ · October 9

Hello everyone,

first of all to claify, this is CONSOLE , PLAYSTATION EUROPEAN server.

While it´s no secret the population is low overall and specificly on our server, i just want to focus on pvp with this.

Back in the days, when i came home from work at like 5pm it was 3 bars of pvp in cyrodiil everyday, on the weekend we had queues, i remember a friend used to switch alliance to my alliance, because he had queues from +100 outside of a event on AD.

Nowadays, we have bareky 3-4 hours of populated pvp during the day, in the hours of 6-10 pm europe time, sometimes a bit earlier, sometimes a bit later.
When i say populated pvp, i mean in fact every alliance has like 2 bars. Recently sometimes AD has 3 bars but thats it. And thats rare.

Normaly on the weekends its more then during the week, but this also doesnt appear anymore.

The last vengeance i participated for one hour, noticed nobody was playing and stopped aswell. The last midyear mayhem before, greyhost was full, but just - no bars on blackreach, as always nothing in IC, GH just got a queue of like 15.

Its nice to get straight into the campaign during the pvp event, but its not nice when after 9 pm the first alliance has only 2 bars.

I see the good old days of busy and populated pvp, i was reffering to earlier are over.

But im questioning myself why is that?
Why are there no propper incentives, wich lead people into the game?
Why is there nothing being done by ZOS to keep that part of the game alive?

It has been said crossplay is in developement but even when im probably the biggest enthusiast for ESO cross play, i just dont see it happen anytime soon.

The pvp community is smaller then the pve community, i get that - but dont we deserve some love and caring by yous too?
I dont mean vengeance, this is just a slap in the face for me personally.

Im since years your customer and are paying my eso plus and getting all your chapters.
I feel lost and dont enjoy this game without pvp. And pvp is currently just dead.

Im asking you Zos , are you doing something ?

Dock01 · October 9

Move to PC, but sadly you’ll have to rebuy everything , outfits, morphs, houses, pets, mounts. No need to worry about DLCs, since ESO Plus unlocks them all. I guess that’s why they’ll never add cross-platform. Honestly, it’s unbelievable… a miracle anyone’s still interested in this pay-for-everything MMO with a free to play model

BXR_Lonestar · October 10

It is the same thing on Xbox NA.

IMO, this is the result of the fact that there is no regulation as to how many players each faction has. Regardless of what campaign you play in, one faction or the other has a distinct numbers advantage and it is pure, unchecked, and unbalanced combat.

It always happens, with one faction dominating in one campagin, then some players jump ship to the other alliances, thinking they're going to help make the campaign more competitive, and all they do is throw the numbers out of balance in a different direction.

I honestly if Zos was to encourage more players to play PVP in Cyrodil, we need more than low population or low score buffs to keep us playing in a campaign that is out of balance. AP is not the most useful currency in the world once you've accumulated tens of millions of it. They should seriously consider debuffing the faction that has a population advantage, and giving combat buffs to factions that are at a numbers disadvantage so that those 30 v 10 battles just don't feel so pointless.

It doesn't have to be a big buff, but enough to give the outnumbered faction a fighting chance. Increased damage with defensive seige, for instance, would help a lot.

fizzybeef · October 11

Dock01 wrote: »

Move to PC, but sadly you’ll have to rebuy everything , outfits, morphs, houses, pets, mounts. No need to worry about DLCs, since ESO Plus unlocks them all. I guess that’s why they’ll never add cross-platform. Honestly, it’s unbelievable… a miracle anyone’s still interested in this pay-for-everything MMO with a free to play model

Moving to pc is not an option for everyone for different reasons

LadyGP · October 11

PC isn't much better fwiw.

Rohamad_Ali · October 11

There is one packed campaign on PC on the weekends. Everything else is the same right now.

MISTFORMBZZZ · October 12

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

There is one packed campaign on PC on the weekends. Everything else is the same right now.

I heared something like that from a friend on pc.
Sad days.

I wonder why we are being let down like this

Gankform · October 13

there is no reason to play much at this point if i don't know the future of cyro..too many venge tests and still dont know what coming next..i will keep farming procs and builds or they will remove it all ? or they will cut the main camp again next week with venge and kick me out? no hm cyro play at this point..just w8ing

MJallday · October 13

On Xbox EU... its arguably in a worse state

The "blues" are pretty much much non existant, you rarely see more than 1 bar. theres one noteable chap that does seem to get people to rally around him, but hes from the US and barely on these days.

the "reds" seem to contain nothing but 80k heath and 50k resistance tanks, Vicious death / rush of agony bombers and cronos users - and run around as 1 or 2 giant x healing, collosos dropping ball groups - which basically makes it impossible to counter - which is why their are currently 3x the score of anyone else, and have been for monthly several campaigns now.

the "yellows" only have about 3 active guilds, and they only come on for a couple of hours in he evening.

TLDR - pvp in ESO UK Xbox is a mess

xR3ACTORx · October 13

MJallday wrote: »

On Xbox EU... its arguably in a worse state

The "blues" are pretty much much non existant, you rarely see more than 1 bar. theres one noteable chap that does seem to get people to rally around him, but hes from the US and barely on these days.

the "reds" seem to contain nothing but 80k heath and 50k resistance tanks, Vicious death / rush of agony bombers and cronos users - and run around as 1 or 2 giant x healing, collosos dropping ball groups - which basically makes it impossible to counter - which is why their are currently 3x the score of anyone else, and have been for monthly several campaigns now.

the "yellows" only have about 3 active guilds, and they only come on for a couple of hours in he evening.

TLDR - pvp in ESO UK Xbox is a mess

The server is mostly imbalance in Xbox EU right now. Last year EP was trashed every campaign for 10 months in a row. This year EP had more players and some good groups.

Players changed alliances which led to frustrations in alliances which led to some players not playing anymore.During mayhem DC had more players since no organized groups were left in EP.

And vengeance killed the rest of the population.
The pvpers who played Cyro never asked for a vengeance campaign. Most people who were still playing were happy with the game as it was anyway.
So I guess many of those who stopped playing shifted to other games.

The people you are talking about changed to EP newly from DC or AD.

BXR_Lonestar · October 13

On my server - XBOX NA - there is a faction that will have the numbers to the map, but they'd rather wait till we're all in bed before they get on and push an empty map.

Since Cyrodil is basically all-out war with no semblance of balance, at least from a player population standpoint, it creates a sick incentive to get on and push the map when other's aren't playing. This encourages PvDoor, not PVP. What we need is in-game mechanics where if the population is low, the Imperials retake the map so that no faction is getting ANY points while there is less than a bar of population for EACH of the factions. Basically, points should only be awarded for when there is active PVP combat going on.

Alternatively, they could make it so that objective points (holding the map) are weighted against kills and other combat metrics during when there is active PVP so there isn't a sick incentive to avoid PVP.

Karivaa · October 13

Lol salty? Im just glad AD is playing.

merevie · October 14

Frankly, I'm not sure how much longer it will be before PC NA also turtles.

Subclassing wrecked build diversity and if they bring in the new version where everyone plays the same thing the consensus is everyone left in pvp NA is done with ESO. The community has been pretty vocal on that. I'd wait to see if they bring in Vengeance before investing any thought into switching.

NA was 1 bar for 8 days during Veng. At PRIMETIME. Everyone else watched the streamers suffer, we had a group therapy session and all left to play other games.

MISTFORMBZZZ · October 14

Karivaa wrote: »

Lol salty? Im just glad AD is playing.

Who is salty?
If only 1/3 of the factions participate pvp and the rest is not active, i doubt AD has fun either

Gankform · November 2

MISTFORMBZZZ · November 3

Gankform wrote: »

May i ask at wich time the screenshot was made ? Isnt pc population usually quite good? Hence why im hoping for crossplay

ksbrugh · November 3

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Hello everyone,

first of all to claify, this is CONSOLE , PLAYSTATION EUROPEAN server.

While it´s no secret the population is low overall and specificly on our server, i just want to focus on pvp with this.

Back in the days, when i came home from work at like 5pm it was 3 bars of pvp in cyrodiil everyday, on the weekend we had queues, i remember a friend used to switch alliance to my alliance, because he had queues from +100 outside of a event on AD.

Nowadays, we have bareky 3-4 hours of populated pvp during the day, in the hours of 6-10 pm europe time, sometimes a bit earlier, sometimes a bit later.
When i say populated pvp, i mean in fact every alliance has like 2 bars. Recently sometimes AD has 3 bars but thats it. And thats rare.

Normaly on the weekends its more then during the week, but this also doesnt appear anymore.

The last vengeance i participated for one hour, noticed nobody was playing and stopped aswell. The last midyear mayhem before, greyhost was full, but just - no bars on blackreach, as always nothing in IC, GH just got a queue of like 15.

Its nice to get straight into the campaign during the pvp event, but its not nice when after 9 pm the first alliance has only 2 bars.

I see the good old days of busy and populated pvp, i was reffering to earlier are over.

But im questioning myself why is that?
Why are there no propper incentives, wich lead people into the game?
Why is there nothing being done by ZOS to keep that part of the game alive?

It has been said crossplay is in developement but even when im probably the biggest enthusiast for ESO cross play, i just dont see it happen anytime soon.

The pvp community is smaller then the pve community, i get that - but dont we deserve some love and caring by yous too?
I dont mean vengeance, this is just a slap in the face for me personally.

Im since years your customer and are paying my eso plus and getting all your chapters.
I feel lost and dont enjoy this game without pvp. And pvp is currently just dead.

Im asking you Zos , are you doing something ?

Keep these PVP threads Alive by responding to people's messages it will place it back at the top of the general discussion list

MISTFORMBZZZ · November 3

ksbrugh wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Hello everyone,

first of all to claify, this is CONSOLE , PLAYSTATION EUROPEAN server.

While it´s no secret the population is low overall and specificly on our server, i just want to focus on pvp with this.

Back in the days, when i came home from work at like 5pm it was 3 bars of pvp in cyrodiil everyday, on the weekend we had queues, i remember a friend used to switch alliance to my alliance, because he had queues from +100 outside of a event on AD.

Nowadays, we have bareky 3-4 hours of populated pvp during the day, in the hours of 6-10 pm europe time, sometimes a bit earlier, sometimes a bit later.
When i say populated pvp, i mean in fact every alliance has like 2 bars. Recently sometimes AD has 3 bars but thats it. And thats rare.

Normaly on the weekends its more then during the week, but this also doesnt appear anymore.

The last vengeance i participated for one hour, noticed nobody was playing and stopped aswell. The last midyear mayhem before, greyhost was full, but just - no bars on blackreach, as always nothing in IC, GH just got a queue of like 15.

Its nice to get straight into the campaign during the pvp event, but its not nice when after 9 pm the first alliance has only 2 bars.

I see the good old days of busy and populated pvp, i was reffering to earlier are over.

But im questioning myself why is that?
Why are there no propper incentives, wich lead people into the game?
Why is there nothing being done by ZOS to keep that part of the game alive?

It has been said crossplay is in developement but even when im probably the biggest enthusiast for ESO cross play, i just dont see it happen anytime soon.

The pvp community is smaller then the pve community, i get that - but dont we deserve some love and caring by yous too?
I dont mean vengeance, this is just a slap in the face for me personally.

Im since years your customer and are paying my eso plus and getting all your chapters.
I feel lost and dont enjoy this game without pvp. And pvp is currently just dead.

Im asking you Zos , are you doing something ?

Keep these PVP threads Alive by responding to people's messages it will place it back at the top of the general discussion list

Quite often you will get mocked for this by the audience here, but i agree.

ksbrugh · November 3

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

ksbrugh wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Hello everyone,

first of all to claify, this is CONSOLE , PLAYSTATION EUROPEAN server.

While it´s no secret the population is low overall and specificly on our server, i just want to focus on pvp with this.

Back in the days, when i came home from work at like 5pm it was 3 bars of pvp in cyrodiil everyday, on the weekend we had queues, i remember a friend used to switch alliance to my alliance, because he had queues from +100 outside of a event on AD.

Nowadays, we have bareky 3-4 hours of populated pvp during the day, in the hours of 6-10 pm europe time, sometimes a bit earlier, sometimes a bit later.
When i say populated pvp, i mean in fact every alliance has like 2 bars. Recently sometimes AD has 3 bars but thats it. And thats rare.

Normaly on the weekends its more then during the week, but this also doesnt appear anymore.

The last vengeance i participated for one hour, noticed nobody was playing and stopped aswell. The last midyear mayhem before, greyhost was full, but just - no bars on blackreach, as always nothing in IC, GH just got a queue of like 15.

Its nice to get straight into the campaign during the pvp event, but its not nice when after 9 pm the first alliance has only 2 bars.

I see the good old days of busy and populated pvp, i was reffering to earlier are over.

But im questioning myself why is that?
Why are there no propper incentives, wich lead people into the game?
Why is there nothing being done by ZOS to keep that part of the game alive?

It has been said crossplay is in developement but even when im probably the biggest enthusiast for ESO cross play, i just dont see it happen anytime soon.

The pvp community is smaller then the pve community, i get that - but dont we deserve some love and caring by yous too?
I dont mean vengeance, this is just a slap in the face for me personally.

Im since years your customer and are paying my eso plus and getting all your chapters.
I feel lost and dont enjoy this game without pvp. And pvp is currently just dead.

Im asking you Zos , are you doing something ?

Keep these PVP threads Alive by responding to people's messages it will place it back at the top of the general discussion list

Quite often you will get mocked for this by the audience here, but i agree.

I eat mockery for breakfast smothered in sarcasm sauce and wash it down with a big glass of mhhhh juice

albertberku · November 3

After subclassing update i have never seen a queue in Gray Host in PC EU. No wonder why... AD is barely 3 bars. Maybe 1 hour a day at most. Even 2 bars do not stay for long.

EP is going strong though, they are playing 24 / 7, lol. Sometimes late at night when both other factions are at 0 bars and EP possess every single capturable in the map, they still stay at 1 or 2 bars for hours, makes me wonder what they are doing then lmao. That said they are also barely at 3 bars, they just have for some reason idk more players playing than other factions at any given time. This is probably one of the beginning warning signs for an unhealthy low PvP population in a MMO.

Needless to say but after BG changes they are also very unpopular atm (again no wonder why...) and never seen a single bar in any factions in IP, as well... ESO PvP in EU Megaserver is played by maybe 200-300 people in total currently. Just the very core of the PvP community. Even they are declining.

silentxthreat · November 3

ball groups running 24/7 even in early am has chased so many players away. being gate camped by ball groups for hours when you have 3 people is fun for sure

freespirit · November 3

albertberku wrote: »

After subclassing update i have never seen a queue in Gray Host in PC EU. No wonder why... AD is barely 3 bars. Maybe 1 hour a day at most. Even 2 bars do not stay for long.

EP is going strong though, they are playing 24 / 7, lol. Sometimes late at night when both other factions are at 0 bars and EP possess every single capturable in the map, they still stay at 1 or 2 bars for hours, makes me wonder what they are doing then lmao.

Needless to say but never seen a single bar in any factions in IP, as well... ESO PvP in EU Megaserver is played by maybe 200-300 people in total currently. Just the very core of the PvP community. Even they are declining.

Maybe they take turns to log a couple of other Alliance characters find a distant corner and farm AP?

Just a thought! 😁

SwordOfSagas · November 3

I would love to move to pc but I'm a caveman when it comes to them lol xbox is just more simple.

Hawco10 · November 3

I’m on PS server N.A. Cyrodil is mostly ball groups switching alliances, running round home keeps farming. Or it’s the usual suspects running round a rss farming, flag a keep, get inside and then run around the walls. Maybe get a Zerg here or there taking a keep and that’s pretty much Cyrodil.
Kinda goes like this
1. Grab Harlun and farm it.
2. Grab Sej and farm it.
3. Grab blks and farm it.
4. Grab Nik and farm it.
5. No takers, flag a home keep and run round the walls, maybe get inside, flip it then leave the doors open to farm.
6. Rinse and repeat.

Gankform · November 4

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Gankform wrote: »

May i ask at wich time the screenshot was made ? Isnt pc population usually quite good? Hence why im hoping for crossplay

11:10:22 AM. PC EU

MISTFORMBZZZ · November 4

Gankform wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Gankform wrote: »

May i ask at wich time the screenshot was made ? Isnt pc population usually quite good? Hence why im hoping for crossplay

11:10:22 AM. PC EU

For Console PS EU pvp is only active from 8-10 in the evening. 2 bars max

Gankform · November 4

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Gankform wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Gankform wrote: »

May i ask at wich time the screenshot was made ? Isnt pc population usually quite good? Hence why im hoping for crossplay

11:10:22 AM. PC EU

For Console PS EU pvp is only active from 8-10 in the evening. 2 bars max

its time for crossplay then or new game:P

fizzybeef · November 4

Gankform wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Gankform wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Gankform wrote: »

May i ask at wich time the screenshot was made ? Isnt pc population usually quite good? Hence why im hoping for crossplay

11:10:22 AM. PC EU

For Console PS EU pvp is only active from 8-10 in the evening. 2 bars max

its time for crossplay then or new game:P

Crossplay will take till it‘s to late. They said its early developement (if thats even true) and they took 9 months for making swimming mounts (walking animation under water).

So can probably imagine, how long crossplay will take.

iGuavaTH · November 6

Since I came back to the game after a loooong hiatus I haven't been able to PvP at all. I am UTC +6 (on PSEU). Cyrodiil is always empty and BG's are hit or miss, but I don't really like the two team setup anyway. Liked the old one better.

[edit to add server]

Xarc · November 6

Cyrodiil has been REALLY dead for at least two years. ZOS didn't want to listen to the players, and the players are getting fed up.

content that hasn't been updated in 11 years
ballgroup problems
Latency issue (even though ZOS has tried to resolve it in several ways, problems still remain as soon as a ballgroup arrives on the server)
AwA makes it pointless to play other characters
Subclassing makes it unnecessary to play other characters
The value of AP has been reduced to nothing since everyone can obtain it very easily with scrolls, numerous events, etc.
One server, one color: nothing is being done to combat the domination of one faction, pushing players to change servers or simply leave Cyrodiil.
and so many other problems that have been reported for years (hello stuck in combat)

I think it's high time ZOS addressed the Cyrodiil situation.
Even though Cyrodiil has been abandoned for a few years, I think that if ZOS takes an interest in it, it's possible to revive it, but there's a lot of work to be done...

MISTFORMBZZZ · November 6

Xarc wrote: »

I think it's high time ZOS addressed the Cyrodiil situation.
Even though Cyrodiil has been abandoned for a few years, I think that if ZOS takes an interest in it, it's possible to revive it, but there's a lot of work to be done...

In another thread, i have seen this :

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/684791/its-november-when-can-we-expect-the-rest-of-the-pvp-q-a#latest

Even when i higly appreciate Kevin and his work, he is not in charge regarding changes unfortunatily and i dont expect to much.

Unless crossplay will be dropped (what i doubt it will happen in the next years) i have little hope.

PvP is in a miserable state, but lets see what will be in the Q&A