/cough The Highlanders and Reachfolk would like to have a wee word. Yes, kilts, feathers and furry bits are just as warlike as metal armor.

LalMirchi wrote: »

/cough The Highlanders and Reachfolk would like to have a wee word. Yes, kilts, feathers and furry bits are just as warlike as metal armor.

Sure, they are lightly armored. However, Negligees are lingerie/sleepwear.

It is magic - like of all the things to go *MehMeHmeHmh* about xD

Because the wearer gets a +5 in charisma and the attacker gets a -5 in dexterity for the distraction.

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

LalMirchi wrote: »

/cough The Highlanders and Reachfolk would like to have a wee word. Yes, kilts, feathers and furry bits are just as warlike as metal armor.

Sure, they are lightly armored. However, Negligees are lingerie/sleepwear.

Could be a form of intimidation. "I am so unintimidated by you, I can fight you in my pyjamas and then take a nap."

The enemy that (supposedly) wears them are Nocturnal's Shrikes. They seduce/lure cultists and then turn them into night terrors.

They have lines like these.

We will weep when no other mourns your loss, but the tears will be of joy.

We just want to be close. We just want to hold you tight, and never let go.

You call us breathtaking. We find that fitting

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Shrike

People can of course head canon any reason for their character wearing it. But it's a type of Shrike clothing. Ironically, I don't recall seeing this clothing in the game ever. But it's pretty fitting. It's got the crow theme and the seduction theme going.

Islyn wrote: »

OK - pointy closed toe, or boots, or heels - but pls PLEASE talk to them about whatever the worn out flip-flop saggy ankle this is.
(screen cap lowers quality a bit sorry!)

Dear god, cut your nails!

Saggy, drooping socks and flat sandals. What a contrast to the Halloween costume seen elsewhere!

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I prefer flat sandals myself in real life and it makes sense if your character is running around. Heels are immersion breaking.

Yes, totally, HEELS are the immersion-straw that would break the immersion-camel's back, here. Not any of the other absolutely bananas cosmetics they've released that are already in game. I can polymorph into Molag Bal himself and attack my enemies with FISH while riding a horse sprouting weird rave-glow sword-arms if I want to, and that's okay. All those cosmetics exist and are here to stay, by golly by gum.

But heels? Whoa, now. Slow down. I don't know if my ***immersion*** can take it.

/s

Come the fetch on. This is such a miniscule cosmetic ask, especially in comparison to what already exists. If they added some heeled options and you don't like heels on your characters: don't wear them. Problem solved.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I prefer flat sandals myself in real life and it makes sense if your character is running around. Heels are immersion breaking.

Yeah, I'm with the others on this.

You fast travel to Leyawiin and the first thing you see is a neon-purple Orc fellow in a Brazilian carnival outfit, speckled with stars as he shakes his money maker. Then he summons a de-winged demon from the deepest pits of Coldharbour and gallops away while not a single medieval-clothed peasant bats an eye.

You pout when he leaves, because he was least shocking player-character in the town square. There's five robot men line-dancing next to a streetlight, Molag Bal twerking on top of an arch, a pumpkin-headed fiend shuffling its Tales of Tribute cards, and two disturbingly alluring vampire ladies in lingerie challenging each other to a duel.

But no, HEELS. That's where the line is. Heels. Player immersion in a medieval fantasy setting can't survive such an affront.

lillybit wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I prefer flat sandals myself in real life and it makes sense if your character is running around. Heels are immersion breaking.

Why would heels be immersion breaking in a fantasy game that involves horse riding? Heels were originally designed to stop feel slipping on stirrups. They were worn by men long before they were a fashion accessory for women

We're not fighting from horseback here. It's immersion breaking because we're painfully familiar with how hideously uncomfortable heels are; they're almost impossible to run in, and just looking at them reminds us of how silly they are when more comfortable alternatives exist.

I wouldn't be against the occasional reasonably low heel, but yeah, they're pretty silly when you have to run.

BretonMage wrote: »

We're not fighting from horseback here. It's immersion breaking because we're painfully familiar with how hideously uncomfortable heels are; they're almost impossible to run in, and just looking at them reminds us of how silly they are when more comfortable alternatives exist.

I wouldn't be against the occasional reasonably low heel, but yeah, they're pretty silly when you have to run.

Again... I cant even fathom this argument.

It's a fantasy game with dimensions of pure madness, demons, vampires, walking cat-men who espouse a thinly-veiled love of cocaine, and innumerable player characters dressed like they're either going to Mardi Gras or getting ready to bathe in human blood... but heels is where you draw the line? That's where the immersion breaks?

If people can use magic to teleport across entire planes of existence, shield themselves from harm via barriers of pure energy, re-knit severed limbs back onto the injured, literally summon demons from other dimensions, or create pocket dimensions wherein they can conduct bizarre magical experiments... couldn't they reasonably be expected to use magic to make heels as comfortable as slippers? To make negligees as impervious as plate armor?

What a strange hill to die on for "immersion."

Edit addition: I think a better argument is: "heels change body posture, especially high heels. Butts tend to stick out more and so on. If heels got added, the developers would have to build new animations for them. That'd be expensive. It might also not even be technologically feasible, given the engine and system constraints. Immersion aside, it's probably not at all doable at this point in the game's life-cycle."

Islyn wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I prefer flat sandals myself in real life and it makes sense if your character is running around. Heels are immersion breaking.

and do you also run about w a katana irl? My characters don't run on the GROUND - that's low rent nonsense - they glide slightly ABOVE it. But running into battle half naked is a ok.

Also, I said *anything* but these - tbh and gave a list of 3 shoe types.

Finally: FLAT shoes *such as these* are actually bad for your feet irl.

Actually I could run around with a katana in real life because I have one, and a wakizashi.

Wow, what an incredible response I got from this. Yes, the flash-bang mounts and purple flame glowing characters get to me too. I don’t have them or wear them, though. They could, however, make a style that I do like but put stilettos on the female version and I would either have to wear it and hate that part or not wear it just because of the ridiculous footwear. That is why I posted this.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I prefer flat sandals myself in real life and it makes sense if your character is running around. Heels are immersion breaking.

and do you also run about w a katana irl? My characters don't run on the GROUND - that's low rent nonsense - they glide slightly ABOVE it. But running into battle half naked is a ok.

Also, I said *anything* but these - tbh and gave a list of 3 shoe types.

Finally: FLAT shoes *such as these* are actually bad for your feet irl.

Actually I could run around with a katana in real life because I have one, and a wakizashi.

Wow, what an incredible response I got from this. Yes, the flash-bang mounts and purple flame glowing characters get to me too. I don’t have them or wear them, though. They could, however, make a style that I do like but put stilettos on the female version and I would either have to wear it and hate that part or not wear it just because of the ridiculous footwear. That is why I posted this.

That's your take on heels? Nothing or stilettos? There is a vast array in between. Sure, I wouldn't want to run in 4 inch spike heels but there are others I'm perfectly comfortable running in. I mean even normal running shoes have more of a heel than anything found in game atm.

Here's the thing tho. Not everything in game is designed for everyone to like. There's already plenty of shoes in game for people who don't like heels but what is there for people who don't like flats? There's currently just one shoe style I use with almost every outfit because I dislike most of the rest. That doesn't mean I don't think anyone should have them. If you don't like them, don't use them.

lillybit wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I prefer flat sandals myself in real life and it makes sense if your character is running around. Heels are immersion breaking.

and do you also run about w a katana irl? My characters don't run on the GROUND - that's low rent nonsense - they glide slightly ABOVE it. But running into battle half naked is a ok.

Also, I said *anything* but these - tbh and gave a list of 3 shoe types.

Finally: FLAT shoes *such as these* are actually bad for your feet irl.

Actually I could run around with a katana in real life because I have one, and a wakizashi.

Wow, what an incredible response I got from this. Yes, the flash-bang mounts and purple flame glowing characters get to me too. I don’t have them or wear them, though. They could, however, make a style that I do like but put stilettos on the female version and I would either have to wear it and hate that part or not wear it just because of the ridiculous footwear. That is why I posted this.

That's your take on heels? Nothing or stilettos? There is a vast array in between. Sure, I wouldn't want to run in 4 inch spike heels but there are others I'm perfectly comfortable running in. I mean even normal running shoes have more of a heel than anything found in game atm.

Here's the thing tho. Not everything in game is designed for everyone to like. There's already plenty of shoes in game for people who don't like heels but what is there for people who don't like flats? There's currently just one shoe style I use with almost every outfit because I dislike most of the rest. That doesn't mean I don't think anyone should have them. If you don't like them, don't use them.

SAME HERE! I have 2; but same diff.

BretonMage wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Speak for yourself - I can run, cartwheel, cross my leg, and balance my whole body on 4 inch heels and eat, or read or w/e.

I'm speaking for the recorded majority of high heel wearers who experience discomfort. Not to mention the tens of thousands of high heel-related injuries, just from standard urban activities like walking.

Ingel_Riday wrote: »

It's a fantasy game with dimensions of pure madness, demons, vampires, walking cat-men who espouse a thinly-veiled love of cocaine, and innumerable player characters dressed like they're either going to Mardi Gras or getting ready to bathe in human blood... but heels is where you draw the line? That's where the immersion breaks?

Actually, yes. Things that remind me of real life experiences, especially unpleasant ones, tend to jolt me back into real life.

No, you're speaking for YOURSELF - as am I.

SO IG WAR, DRUGS, and SLAVERY aren't reminiscent enough of RL experiences for you. Lucky!

Joking aside; If you are really that affected by footwear in a game - I am actually worried about you, because you could probably use some professional help.