Syldras wrote: »

Æthërnüm wrote: »

tbh we all knew it will be like this. but the most fun part of it:
console players complains that there're almost no people to play with -> PCEU 24%/PSEU 28%
what a joke, whole event is a joke.

I couldn't care less who "wins", but I'm wondering how the counter works anyway? They said they adjusted everything so the servers have a fair chance - so did they go by how many accounts are registered for each server or what? Then pc would be disadvantaged anyway because there are lots of people who have a second account they never use from that Epic Store giveaway some years ago. Plus I heard there are people who have several extra accounts just to have a guild bank and store things. Doesn't seem to be uncommon that there are lots of (more or less or completely) unused ESO pc accounts.

ZOS themselves have placed their bets on which server will be first, so they initiated this "race". idc either who wins or not. the main issue that this event is kinda contains things which we all have done for years (i have done too much of dolmens for 9 years of playing this game). And phase 2 will be not much better coz to existing stuff will be added world bosses, no difference. Dude, as i said: whole event is a joke. Once in a lifetime, farm all the stuff you've farmed for all ESO lifetime.

bs.

licenturion wrote: »

Æthërnüm wrote: »

tbh we all knew it will be like this. but the most fun part of it:

console players complains that there're almost no people to play with -> PCEU 24%/PSEU 28%

what a joke, whole event is a joke.

Yeah I was surprised that even Xbox players are ahead last time I looked.

But the complainers that there is no one to play with are usually a handful of PvP people. One can assume that console has an even larger percentage of people doing only PvE, so that makes sense in a way.

Since they work with percentages there is no transparency if the total of ticks are the same between platforms, which probably isn't the case.

Microsoft has recently swung back around to insisting they're committed to Xbox consoles, so ZOS are probably under orders to make sure they do well. I've assumed since the beginning they'd win one region and come second in the other. Although if they were going to win one I'd make it NA because I'm pretty sure Boxes sell better there than in Europe, but then I don't work in marketing.

Syldras wrote: »

Æthërnüm wrote: »

tbh we all knew it will be like this. but the most fun part of it:
console players complains that there're almost no people to play with -> PCEU 24%/PSEU 28%
what a joke, whole event is a joke.

I couldn't care less who "wins", but I'm wondering how the counter works anyway? They said they adjusted everything so the servers have a fair chance - so did they go by how many accounts are registered for each server or what? Then pc would be disadvantaged anyway because there are lots of people who have a second account they never use from that Epic Store giveaway some years ago. Plus I heard there are people who have several extra accounts just to have a guild bank and store things. Doesn't seem to be uncommon that there are lots of (more or less or completely) unused ESO pc accounts.

MMOs can get A LOT of data on player activity. They can often track exactly where an individual player goes, or produce heat maps to show which parts of which zones are most active. The 'problem' in this case would be working out what's relevant and not too time consuming to use.

If it was me I'd start with all accounts on each server, then filter out any that haven't logged in for a few weeks or more, then filter out ones that haven't earned XP in a month (or whatever is easy to track) to exclude things like bank alts. That gives you a count of currently active players. Yes it might be double counting people who actively play on 2+ accounts, but for ZOS purposes 1 person doing dailies on 2 accounts is the same as 2 people doing them once.

Then I'd look at how often other daily quests get done, or activity levels during past community events (which ideally had some post-mortem assessment to identify what worked well and what could have been better). That gives you an estimate of what proportion of active players will do all the dailies every day, how many do 1 per day, how many do a few here and there etc.

Maybe add in 10-20% for people who haven't logged in recently but will come back for the event (past events should tell you what percentage to expect).

At this point you know how many quest completions to expect per day and per week, so you just decide how long you want the event to run and set the total to that number of daily + weekly completions.

And yeah that could be different for each server. Using completely random and likely low numbers you could set PCEU to 150,000 but PSEU to 100,000 and XBEU to 90,000 etc so even though they have fewer players their percentage can progress at the same rate.

Or you could just set up some fake progress bars and only track completions internally for your own info, but then they probably wouldn't have needed to manually adjust it twice. Although I think the second adjustment pretty much put us back to where we'd be without the first one, so maybe that's all they did.

Yes, this entire thing is now utterly pointless. That's two blatent adjustments I've seen, from a reduction after a few hours to this now massive increase. We cannot trust the progress meter to tell us:

The real progress toward the end goal
Which servers are actually winning

I think the best thing they can do now is just remove it and tell us what day phase two starts, as it's going to start one way or another on the day they want, so why bother with this charade any longer?

I removed the PCEU counter from our website now, as I see no point in updating it all the time as it's meaningless.

It probably would have been better to just tell us what the schedule is, since there obviously is one. That could give players more incentive to get on and do the quests because they know how little time they have, but would also enable more planning for guilds and groups, and individuals.

I have leave to use before the end of the year but couldn't book a day off to play the fortress even if I wanted to, because I need to get it approved 2 weeks in advance.

My guilds want to organise runs for the Fortress week, covering different skill levels, priorities etc and want to organise other events around that but they can't do any of that now. They've said roughly what the plan will be but it amounts to "drop everything when that phase starts and reschedule what we can later on" which is not ideal for anyone.

But ZOS seems determined to believe they can get PvE players to compete against each other. They gave up on Alliance pride years ago when it became obvious it was nothing but an inconvenience outside PvP but still seem to hope they can make server pride a thing, even though I suspect for most people which machine you play on and which region you connect to is purely a practical choice.

All these conspiracies, maybe they just got round to updating the scores?

Four_Fingers wrote: »

All these conspiracies, maybe they just got round to updating the scores?

No, they posted that they were doing it. It's at the top of this forum. Not sure how to link it on my phone but it's easy to look. So no conspiracy, sorry. They said the counter being slow was the reason people feel unrewarded. It's almost funny but kind of sad. My bet is the feed back from the forums or reddit or social media doesn't get anywhere past the CM's desks. They curate handpicked things that are favorable and that's the feedback that makes it, that or everything they say about listening to feedback was just bs corporate platitudes that they never had any intentions of acting on. It couldn't be that right? Right? Right?

Yudo wrote: »

Next time Manimarco...next time.

If you want UK viewers to see your images you need to dump Imgur.

Tariq9898 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Amy made a post: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/684176/writhing-wall-event-consolidated-messaging-thread#latest

Damn the consoles are actually winning?!?! That’s a pleasant surprise! 😅

The most empty servers winning specially. Who shall believe that lmao

thegreatme wrote: »

All of these "make x amount of progress to get The Thing" events have been rigged. Every single one, this isn't anything new. As a past guild-mate once pointed out, do you think that ZoS is ever going to go to the efforts of making these big events and then say "Sorry, not enough of you played along, so you all get nothing"? Never going to happen.

Firstly I agree.

Secondly I think the one where they were raising money for a cat sanctuary was a possible exception to that, because they were doing match funding and I don't think you're allowed to fake that (although I don't know the laws around chartiable donations in the USA).

Thirdly there could be one benefit to not faking it this time, but I don't think ZOS would consider it worth the risk. They said they want the event to 'make history' and they're over a decade late for that to work with it going to plan. Not only has every MMO (including ESO) done events like this before, it's the kind of thing that gets shoved into all kinds of other games because some executive heard 'live service' games are profitable, so it's entirely unremarkable. On the other hand an event like that failing is almost unheard of (because it's not just ZOS who make sure it succeeds). If an MMO set up a big community event where players got rewarded for completing enough daily quests and the players didn't do that the games media would be all over it.

Obviously the downside is that wouldn't be good press for the game. It would be very entertaining, but it's unlikely to make people want to play ESO. (But then neither is removing part of the game after a week so people picking it up later can never get the full thing.)

So the server that's supposed to be leading is at 40% now, after 5 days. Which means 8% a day, and would mean 100% of Phase 1 were reached after 13 days.

Double that for Phase 2, it's on day 26 that Phase 3 should start - 21 days from now.

Considering that East Solstice is supposed to unlock once the Fortress in Phase 3 was conquered for the very first time, this means that the new map should be unlocked the same day. I played the Fortress on PTS and we were a tiny group of 6 people, several on badly equipped test characters, and we took about 2.5 hours - a decent group should finish it much faster. 15 or 20 minutes? I don't know. In any way, there's no way East Solstice wouldn't unlock on the same day Phase 2 is completed and Phase 3 starts.

So that means, with the current percentages, that point would be reached in 21 days from now on - November 8. Add to that maybe a bit of a slowdown because of event fatique, so maybe it'll take 2 or 3 days more...

Conveniently, update 48 is scheduled for November 10 on consoles.

licenturion wrote: »

Since they work with percentages there is no transparency if the total of ticks are the same between platforms, which probably isn't the case.

It can't be the same tick value, the servers all have different populations.