Should Dark-Magic get frost magic instead of regular magic?

CurseDeReaper · September 13

I just wanted to ask what the communities opinion on Dark Magic skill line of the sorcerer is at the moment.
Personally i'm not as deep in making builds or competitive builds at all and I tend to follow guids and adjust them slightly or try to go for flavour. I fondered with newer skill lines having some abilities across elements and subclassing allowing us to mix and match, would it give any too mean / unfair advantages or even disadvantages if some abilities from Dark-Magic get some frost damage reworks since it may fit the crystal theme.
As far as I understand it lately the devs look into adjusting the skill line and I wondered how the suggestion of adding a light frost damage subtheme would make it more popular or gives a slight advantage to the line for subclassing and full sorce builds.

Asdara · September 14

If anything it should be shock dmg.
Every class provide a unique element, sorc is shock, dk is fire, warden is frost.
Then class after provide a mix, necro frost/shock and arcanist is an abomination

Mik195 · September 14

It makes more sense than Warden from Morrowind with supervolcanoe having frost.

LunaFlora · September 14

no i think Magic makes sense for Dark Magic

Freelancer_ESO · September 15

I'm not sure you'd want to overhaul a base class skill line at this point like that.

If you did overhaul it, you'd also have the question of if that's actually the most fitting direction.

One could make the case that the Dark Magic line might actually fit better shifting to a Meridian line rather than a frost line.

Meridia's true form—that of light and vibration—are represented best by the use of crystals in her followers' weapons, such as the three present in staves. As noted in an otherwise incoherent Meridian cultist's journal: "Light and vibration affect crystals, so carrying crystals into battle allows Meridia to bless our moves directly."

Vibrant Shroud after all is: Call forth a Daedric shroud from the Colored Rooms to heal you and your allies and enfeeble foes in front of you.

Visually, Daedric Refuge does not at all look like Dark Magic.

Yudo · September 15

Keep magic, it is not storm calling.

Zyaneth_Bal · September 17

Change to shock to promote synergy with storm calling, thus reinforcing pure class

LittlePinkDot · September 17

CurseDeReaper wrote: »

I just wanted to ask what the communities opinion on Dark Magic skill line of the sorcerer is at the moment.
Personally i'm not as deep in making builds or competitive builds at all and I tend to follow guids and adjust them slightly or try to go for flavour. I fondered with newer skill lines having some abilities across elements and subclassing allowing us to mix and match, would it give any too mean / unfair advantages or even disadvantages if some abilities from Dark-Magic get some frost damage reworks since it may fit the crystal theme.
As far as I understand it lately the devs look into adjusting the skill line and I wondered how the suggestion of adding a light frost damage subtheme would make it more popular or gives a slight advantage to the line for subclassing and full sorce builds.

Just use Chilling soul and chilling burst from the scribed skills.

Chilling Burst in particular reminds me of the Diablo 2's Sorcerer skill Frost Nova.

ESO_Nightingale · September 17

To be honest i think the furthest they should go on dark magic is making an ice skin for crystal shard

CurseDeReaper · September 25

I do like the idea of just making it an ice skin for crystal shards to be honest. (Eso_Nightingale)

To understand my main intend. I heard the line is getting less popular (especially with DD subclassing) so I wondered if Frost x Shock damage could be a good DPS mix that may be reasonable for a non subclassing sorc DD that could make front bar Shock and backbar frost a viable DD strategy for non subclassing sorc. This is also the reason behind this question to answer those who asked "why?".

I think the best argument given so far is the narrative mismatch which I take seriously. Not fitting the describtion is a valid concern. The lore has to stay consistent and can't be adjusted for the reasons I provided.

Relating to the argument each base skill line one element. In theory one could argue we have two skill lines that simply use fire (even if only one has the passive buff), while the DK in theory is Fire and Poison instead of e.g. having poison in its distinct class (like nightblade -> assassination). So the general idea here was not to add passives that add frost damage as Warden does, but rather make the crystal abilities frost damage (which is still spell damage with a specific effect attached to it).
So the generall idea here was: By simply making the damage type Frost damage it would still be Magic damage but allows to proc the chilled status effect. Thena gain Brittle is only proced if a frost staff is equipped so in theory it would not add any offense buff either. And I guess I didn't communicated this well enough. Sorry.

Overall I guess it was not a useful suggestion in genral.

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This is rather a bit off topic of adjusting the skill line:
I like the idea of Zyaneth_Bal but not as baked in change to support pure class but rather maybe a future "Endless Archive"-Set that is not linked to one of the three lines and rather act like a 3 part set from cyrodiil made of rings and weapons or a class Based "Monster Set" (2 parts with). The idea could be that the 2 or 3 part set could make other abilities from the class schock damage in general, (similarly warden could add frost to other abilities from the class).
But that is more of a pure class topic in general rather than related to this specific suggestion I made.

MincMincMinc · September 25

An original design concept lost to time that helped performance was that magic and physical damage did not do status effect procs. The original classes had dk as tank, templar as healer........where these could pass for damage and had access to mroe effects. Then the far more common dps classes NB and Sorc would primarily use phys and mag damage so as not to spam status proc conditions over and over.

Now adays on live this is completely forgotten and we even have status effects on phys and mag damage so just another laggy bloated layer happening.

Subclassing wise winters already fulfills the frost archetype pretty well no real reason to have a 2nd one. Granted now that morphs dont need to be mag vs stam you could open doors like this for sure.

ESO_Nightingale · 3:30AM

MincMincMinc wrote: »

An original design concept lost to time that helped performance was that magic and physical damage did not do status effect procs. The original classes had dk as tank, templar as healer........where these could pass for damage and had access to mroe effects. Then the far more common dps classes NB and Sorc would primarily use phys and mag damage so as not to spam status proc conditions over and over.

Now adays on live this is completely forgotten and we even have status effects on phys and mag damage so just another laggy bloated layer happening.

Subclassing wise winters already fulfills the frost archetype pretty well no real reason to have a 2nd one. Granted now that morphs dont need to be mag vs stam you could open doors like this for sure.

i mean, winter's embrace thematically does a good enough job but in terms of damage abilities, 2 AoE DoTs really isn't much to go off XD