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Please nerf Null Arca in PvP
vadritox2
Soul Shriven
That's it, that's the post. I'm so tired of constant 10k one-shots death recaps, which cannot be countered. This set is so overpowered that even after the inevitable nerf I suspect it will still be OP.
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Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭If you're getting 1 shot for 10k you might need some health lol...Former Emperor
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Oblivion_Protocol✭✭✭✭✭Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »If you're getting 1 shot for 10k you might need some health lol...
It’s not just the Null Arca hit. It’s also the critical hit that procs the Null Arca hit. You could eat a 22k Incap with a side order of 10k Null Arca and be made to choke down a 14k spec bow with all the weapon glyph and Hurricane damage that comes with it within 2 gcds, and be dead before you even hear the spec bow go off.
The Null Arca set’s tooltip is absolutely too high. I’ve seen some that hit as hard as an ultimate, which is insane for a proc set.
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El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No. Null Acra is just fine. This is like the flimsy campaign earlier this year by duelists who wanted Relequen nerfed.
Stop trying to nerf strong PVE sets because the set showed up in a death recap in Cyrodiil.14 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »No. Null Acra is just fine. This is like the flimsy campaign earlier this year by duelists who wanted Relequen nerfed.
Stop trying to nerf strong PVE sets because the set showed up in a death recap in Cyrodiil.
Or just give it "Against Monsters" as a modifier.10 -
The_Meathead✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »No. Null Acra is just fine. This is like the flimsy campaign earlier this year by duelists who wanted Relequen nerfed.
Stop trying to nerf strong PVE sets because the set showed up in a death recap in Cyrodiil.
Or just give it "Against Monsters" as a modifier.
I wish they were a bit more liberal with the use of that modifier.
I feel like so many problematic sets that popped up and wrecked balance could have been easily prevented, and we'd have had a better game overall for PvE and PvP both.12 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »No. Null Acra is just fine. This is like the flimsy campaign earlier this year by duelists who wanted Relequen nerfed.
Stop trying to nerf strong PVE sets because the set showed up in a death recap in Cyrodiil.
Or just give it "Against Monsters" as a modifier.
Actually a pretty big fan of the Against Monsters thing. Keeps things pretty dang separate for PVE and PVP. Now if they would just add that to bloody Rush of Agony…"Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power6 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »No. Null Acra is just fine. This is like the flimsy campaign earlier this year by duelists who wanted Relequen nerfed.
Stop trying to nerf strong PVE sets because the set showed up in a death recap in Cyrodiil.
Or just give it "Against Monsters" as a modifier.
Fine with this, too. Its probably the correct remedy, seeing as Null Acra is a trials set1 -
aslan06✭✭✭Arcanists are fine in pvp, at least I don't have much trouble with then as nb.
But wardens and sorcs (especially sub-classed) are impossible to kill.1 -
SorcnadoSoul Shriven[snip] Have you heard of block?
[edited for trolling]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 23 December 2025 18:590 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They don't need to nerf the damage, just slow down the projectile and add some sort of telegraph to the player character that it's targeting while the projectile is traveling.
It's fine to have strong procs IF you can see or hear them coming enough to consistently counterplay. Null Arca has a telegraph on the wearer but nothing to tell you if someone in the back of a pack or offscreen is launching it at you. Things like Spec Bow have a distinct and loud noise to tell you when someone's launched it at you (provided they aren't using the new skill style lmao). Null Arca has a sound effect, but it's quiet and sounds like half the other sets and abilities in the game.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on 23 December 2025 01:262 -
Major_Toughness✭✭✭✭✭Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »If you're getting 1 shot for 10k you might need some health lol...
It’s not just the Null Arca hit. It’s also the critical hit that procs the Null Arca hit. You could eat a 22k Incap with a side order of 10k Null Arca and be made to choke down a 14k spec bow with all the weapon glyph and Hurricane damage that comes with it within 2 gcds, and be dead before you even hear the spec bow go off.
The Null Arca set’s tooltip is absolutely too high. I’ve seen some that hit as hard as an ultimate, which is insane for a proc set.
Spec bow sound goes off at a minimum of 0.5s before the bow hits, as it has a minimum travel time. So either you are experiencing time in reverse, or exaggerating.
Obviously you aren't experiencing time in reverse. But as always people who die in PvP greatly exaggerate the things they dislike, the things that kill them. Because they don't want to die to them, and rather than improve, such as blocking the incap - which is incredibly easy - or blocking/dodging bow proc - which is incredibly easy.
Both of those things take 0.5s from cast to hit (potentially longer with bow proc), and average human reaction time is 0.25s. So you can react twice in the allotted time to both of them and avoid death entirely.
But no lets nerf a set, again, because someone dies to it.MAKE AZUREBLIGHT GREAT AGAIN
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Oblivion_Protocol✭✭✭✭✭Major_Toughness wrote: »Spec bow sound goes off at a minimum of 0.5s before the bow hits, as it has a minimum travel time. So either you are experiencing time in reverse, or exaggerating.
Obviously you aren't experiencing time in reverse. But as always people who die in PvP greatly exaggerate the things they dislike, the things that kill them. Because they don't want to die to them, and rather than improve, such as blocking the incap - which is incredibly easy - or blocking/dodging bow proc - which is incredibly easy.
Both of those things take 0.5s from cast to hit (potentially longer with bow proc), and average human reaction time is 0.25s. So you can react twice in the allotted time to both of them and avoid death entirely.
But no lets nerf a set, again, because someone dies to it.
Lag
Bugs
Stun
Fear
Charm
Multiple opponents
Do I need to go on? If you can hit that 0.25 second reaction time through all of that, good job Barry Allen. But if you disagree with that example, I could come up with several other burst combos. Or, I could point out that your post does nothing to negate the point that Null Arca hits too hard and needs to be nerfed. Not because I die to it, but because 10k damage for free between GCDs is utterly insane.5 -
BXR_Lonestar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unpopular take here, but the problem isn't Null Arca. The problem is subclassing. That is what is allowing the deadly combos that are wrecking you and everyone else. Players can now pair Subterranean assault (major/minor breach), damage contingency, and any number of methods to proc contingency (leap, charge, teleport strike, etc.) to get all 3 of those to proc, and if null arca goes off too you are likely going to be in execute range from that - and most players haven't yet gotten to their ult just yet.
Subclassing is what enables them to get high crit chance as well because they can take the assassination tree, which also gives them merciless resolve - another skill that can just absolutely wreck your day when it crits.
Subclassing allows for high crit chance, stacking crit damage (warden summon tree grants crit damage per ability slotted), cleanse, and easy sustain (netch) with no downside because you can used scribed heals to replace class-based heals.
Beyond that, the ability to stack crit damage done as a stat means they can easily overwhelm your critical resistance unless you have it maxed - which is nearly impossible to do unless you are a dedicated tank or you have dedicated healers running trans and rally cry.
And subclassing will continue to be a problem unless the class reworks make pure-classes so strong that subclassing becomes less appealing, which is going to be problematic in and of itself.
IMO, Zos really messed their beds when they unleashed subclassing. They think the class rework will fix things, but I remain highly skeptical that it will do anything other than compound the problem.
Everyone makes mistakes. They should just admit that subclassing was a mistake and completely undo it, and THEN rework the classes.2 -
Oblivion_Protocol✭✭✭✭✭BXR_Lonestar wrote: »Unpopular take here, but the problem isn't Null Arca. The problem is subclassing. That is what is allowing the deadly combos that are wrecking you and everyone else.
Yes, subclassing is an issue. But let’s not pretend that Null Arca doesn’t have an overtuned amount of base damage on its tooltip. Sets that deal too much damage in exchange for nothing have been a problem since long before subclassing. Have we so quickly forgotten about Tarnished Nightmare, Master’s dual-wield weapons, or Caluurion’s?1 -
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✭Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »BXR_Lonestar wrote: »Unpopular take here, but the problem isn't Null Arca. The problem is subclassing. That is what is allowing the deadly combos that are wrecking you and everyone else.
Yes, subclassing is an issue. But let’s not pretend that Null Arca doesn’t have an overtuned amount of base damage on its tooltip. Sets that deal too much damage in exchange for nothing have been a problem since long before subclassing. Have we so quickly forgotten about Tarnished Nightmare, Master’s dual-wield weapons, or Caluurion’s?
Vate ice still exists and I believe still doesnt follow dot tic rules. Not that it hits all that hard, but still...0 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What is rly funny is that they have nerfed a bunch of proccsets for this reason alone, too much burst dmg, several times. Then they keep spewing out new ones replacing the nerfed ones and thus ever continuing to recreate the problem. Extraordinary behavior Id say.
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Subclassing is the problem. Stop calling for nerfing set after set. Like there aren't hundreds of useless sets in the game from nerfing.
Buffing other sets to give alternatives is a far better alternative than destroying everything in the game.2
