Amnesty for the players!

PureeEvil · August 20

Since I am a candidate for the title of the most banned player in TESO (this is my 4th or 5th account), and these bans were not always justified, but often were a form of PvP revenge. Despite this, I remain a dedicated TESO player. I would like to propose an amnesty for players who have been banned for violating the PvP code of conduct. (I'm not suggesting that bans should be lifted for players who violated the monetization rules, used cheats, or violated the rules of conduct outside of PvP zones)

Even the most terrible, greedy, and bloody dictators eventually granted amnesties. I believe that this would be a good move for ZOS, considering that the PvP segment is gradually losing players.

And I have a good reason for this request. On this account, I often record gameplay. And for 580cp, I have more than 10 recordings with teabagingom on me. Naturally, I didn't complain about them or ask for a ban. But let's imagine that I did. Just from my case, you would have to ban more than 10 players, and some of them would receive permanent bans. PVP would lose 10 players. In my opinion, this is not good for the game. PVP itself requires players to be forgiven for their behavior and allowed to return to the game. And This action will also create free advertising and attract some new players to TESO.

Given the technical condition of pvp (especially BG) and the casual attitude of many players who do not want to understand that, for example, 4x4 is a competitive mode. It would be an honest, healthy and humane step on the part of ZOS. Especially considering that the system of complaints and permanent bans is not very humane in itself. Especially in pvp zones.

I also want to clarify that I am only talking about players who have been punished in PvP zones. I have never engaged in conflicts in dungeons or any other PvE zones, and you will not find any conflict history on my accounts outside of PvP. However, PvP is PvP, and it requires either a relaxation of the rules or at least occasional amnesties. Otherwise, as I mentioned earlier, the outflow of players will exceed the inflow.

I suggest that all PvP players support this post. We will all benefit if at least a few players return to the game. As for me, I would like to get my main account back with a cool house, horses, and fully open equipment slots xD

@ZOS_Kevin , @ZOS_Icy , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_GregoryV Please take note of this post and request and submit it for review.

And a few words for the fans of the "player complaint" button. As I mentioned above, you won't find any stories of my confrontations in PvE zones. In my opinion, if you spend less than 50% of your time in the game on PvP, and if you enter for example to 4x4 match completely unprepared, just to gain daily experience, I believe it's completely immoral for you to even look at this button in PvP zones. This is because it's mostly clicked on by casual players who spend very little time in PvP.

Thank you in advance to everyone who will support this post.

MISTFORMBZZZ · August 20

I support you but i can guarantee you, these kind of thread wont go well, speaking from my own personal experience.
First you dont have the right audience for these kind of threads here, second im sure this will get moderated down.

But good luck

PureeEvil · August 20

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

I support you but i can guarantee you, these kind of thread wont go well, speaking from my own personal experience.
First you dont have the right audience for these kind of threads here, second im sure this will get moderated down.

But good luck

It's quite possible. Let's see what happens)

Gabriel_H · August 20

PureeEvil wrote: »

I suggest that all PvP players support this post. We will all benefit if at least a few players return to the game.

Communities don't benefit from having wrong-doers released from detention who are unreformed and unrepentent.

baltic1284 · August 20

PureeEvil wrote: »

Since I am a candidate for the title of the most banned player in TESO (this is my 4th or 5th account), and these bans were not always justified, but often were a form of PvP revenge. Despite this, I remain a dedicated TESO player. I would like to propose an amnesty for players who have been banned for violating the PvP code of conduct. (I'm not suggesting that bans should be lifted for players who violated the monetization rules, used cheats, or violated the rules of conduct outside of PvP zones)

Even the most terrible, greedy, and bloody dictators eventually granted amnesties. I believe that this would be a good move for ZOS, considering that the PvP segment is gradually losing players.

And I have a good reason for this request. On this account, I often record gameplay. And for 580cp, I have more than 10 recordings with teabagingom on me. Naturally, I didn't complain about them or ask for a ban. But let's imagine that I did. Just from my case, you would have to ban more than 10 players, and some of them would receive permanent bans. PVP would lose 10 players. In my opinion, this is not good for the game. PVP itself requires players to be forgiven for their behavior and allowed to return to the game. And This action will also create free advertising and attract some new players to TESO.

Given the technical condition of pvp (especially BG) and the casual attitude of many players who do not want to understand that, for example, 4x4 is a competitive mode. It would be an honest, healthy and humane step on the part of ZOS. Especially considering that the system of complaints and permanent bans is not very humane in itself. Especially in pvp zones.

I also want to clarify that I am only talking about players who have been punished in PvP zones. I have never engaged in conflicts in dungeons or any other PvE zones, and you will not find any conflict history on my accounts outside of PvP. However, PvP is PvP, and it requires either a relaxation of the rules or at least occasional amnesties. Otherwise, as I mentioned earlier, the outflow of players will exceed the inflow.

I suggest that all PvP players support this post. We will all benefit if at least a few players return to the game. As for me, I would like to get my main account back with a cool house, horses, and fully open equipment slots xD

@ZOS_Kevin , @ZOS_Icy , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_GregoryV Please take note of this post and request and submit it for review.

And a few words for the fans of the "player complaint" button. As I mentioned above, you won't find any stories of my confrontations in PvE zones. In my opinion, if you spend less than 50% of your time in the game on PvP, and if you enter for example to 4x4 match completely unprepared, just to gain daily experience, I believe it's completely immoral for you to even look at this button in PvP zones. This is because it's mostly clicked on by casual players who spend very little time in PvP.

Thank you in advance to everyone who will support this post.

I have no on this PvP is dying for many reasons rule violators are one of theme and they also did to themselves, even you have admitted you had multiple accounts being banned due some rule violation of some kind. Having Amnesty on this would just open flood gates to the rules having no meaning, so why have theme they are rules for a reason, and many are not that hard to follow.
As far as that brining back player for the game and PvP will only bring back the wrong players that was causing problems for PvP in the first place, if you want more players to do PvP then that part of the community needs to realize they also caused this, and they are the only ones to change that.
Many players that were trying to PvP eventually left due to how they were treated, bullied, insulted, want the PvP community to grow and become healthy community wise then that community need to change how they see and treat others, that is a start, and more players would try PvP and might like it, till that happens the community of PvP will get smaller and shrink due to their own actions, many of the rules were put in place cause it was effecting other areas of the game, and was causing a bleeding of players in those areas also as they were tired of see those actions. I am in support of having a larger PvP community, but I also see why the rules are there and need to be enforced to the strictest degree as I have also seen and was a victim of those actions.

Digibrax · August 20

I support this proposal wholeheartedly. Banning people for violating the PvP code of conduct is not the same as PVE, and those who are banned for this should have their acccounts restored. Period!

Orbital78 · August 20

If you've been banned more than once you're doing something wrong and not learning from your mistakes. PVP can be toxic and I am sure people retaliate especially against those that are vocal, aggressive, or toxic. I'm sure you had your chance(s) to appeal, just enjoy the game and avoid past mistakes.

I'm not opposed to relooking into violations and such if it was a wrongful ban, but giving someone a break when they have repeated the problem that many times doesn't sound like they have any remorse or care to change their violations. I couldn't imagine wasting that many hours of progress that many times.

PureeEvil · August 20

baltic1284 wrote: »

I have no on this PvP is dying for many reasons rule violators are one of theme and they also did to themselves, even you have admitted you had multiple accounts being banned due some rule violation of some kind. Having Amnesty on this would just open flood gates to the rules having no meaning, so why have theme they are rules for a reason, and many are not that hard to follow.
As far as that brining back player for the game and PvP will only bring back the wrong players that was causing problems for PvP in the first place, if you want more players to do PvP then that part of the community needs to realize they also caused this, and they are the only ones to change that.
Many players that were trying to PvP eventually left due to how they were treated, bullied, insulted, want the PvP community to grow and become healthy community wise then that community need to change how they see and treat others, that is a start, and more players would try PvP and might like it, till that happens the community of PvP will get smaller and shrink due to their own actions, many of the rules were put in place cause it was effecting other areas of the game, and was causing a bleeding of players in those areas also as they were tired of see those actions. I am in support of having a larger PvP community, but I also see why the rules are there and need to be enforced to the strictest degree as I have also seen and was a victim of those actions.[/quote]

Answer me a simple question. Why did the players who "tried" do that in 4v4? It was clearly stated that 4v4 is a competitive mode for players who know what to do. So why go in there and "tried" and then blame the players who ruined the match, the game, and the time? Why go in 4v4 and "try" and then get upset when they're told that it's not the place for "trying"? You're the one shifting the blame. Blame shifting is when ZOS didn't bother to write text to explain which mode was created for whom. In ZOS's official comments, it was stated that the 4v4 mode was intended for a competitive setting where experienced PvP players should gather. Why should I tolerate inexperienced players on my team who are "trying" and causing us to lose? This is a clear case of blame shifting. The game is not designed to accommodate experienced players who do not want to witness "tries" in 4v4. The newbies are to blame for not being able to build a good build (it's made from overland and crafting) and for entering the wrong mode. However, the experienced players suffered twice. They were teamed up with players who shouldn't have been in the 4v4, and then they were banned due to the hysterical newbies.

Your statement is very superficial, and you haven't even tried to understand my post.

And the rules. They may be quite adequate for PVE, but not for PVP.

Vaqual · August 20

A while ago I made a thread, asking for pretty much the same, but merely limited to forum accounts. The resonance was overwhelmingly negative. Forgiveness is a virtue that is preached, not practised these days - even if the crime is as minute as poor expression on a video game forum. In the age of safe spaces it is more helpful to know how and when to be offended than it is to manage ones own emotional reaction to written words.

The Mod response was that they would consider appeals if enough time has passed, which is technically fair enough. But from my limited interactions with CS I would not be too optimistic.

PureeEvil · August 20

Vaqual wrote: »

A while ago I made a thread, asking for pretty much the same, but merely limited to forum accounts. The resonance was overwhelmingly negative. Forgiveness is a virtue that is preached, not practised these days - even if the crime is as minute as poor expression on a video game forum. In the age of safe spaces it is more helpful to know how and when to be offended than it is to manage ones own emotional reaction to written words.

The Mod response was that they would consider appeals if enough time has passed, which is technically fair enough. But from my limited interactions with CS I would not be too optimistic.

I would like to discuss the true virtue of people who encourage bans, but I'm afraid I'll get a permanent ban. Therefore, I will simply leave this discussion. Those who can add 2 and 2 already know the answer.

FurryCandyHearts · August 20

i am def in the no teabagging camp so i won't support allowing teabagging. people should stop teabagging and if they won't then they can't stay if zos says they can't stay. sad as that is, people should behave betterand not put the onus on the rest of the community. ty.

PureeEvil · August 20

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

i am def in the no teabagging camp so i won't support allowing teabagging. people should stop teabagging and if they won't then they can't stay if zos says they can't stay. sad as that is, people should behave betterand not put the onus on the rest of the community. ty.

Yesterday, in DM, when there were only three of us left in the team and we lost, I was teabaging by 3 playrs from enemy team. on next roud i change set on ROA and we win next 2 round. And what you think i need report already 3 playrs for one math? How many players will we have left? I can ban more than 10 players with video evidence right now. The difference between us is that I don't do that.

In the topic, I deliberately did not raise the issue of money and property. I am a big fan of the concept of "private property," and despite the fact that gaming companies, including ZOS, try to convince us that what we have paid for is not our property, I hold the opposite opinion. I will not steal someone else's property. I see that you do not have the same respect for property and other people's expenses.

oh yeah. World history knows a few guys who liked to tell everyone how to behave xD

FurryCandyHearts · August 20

in the real world when you break the law and go to jail you lose property and money, usually to pay restitution. seems reasonable to me that when you are banned from the game that you lose access to in game property and money. you pay restitution..

PureeEvil · August 20

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

in the real world when you break the law and go to jail you lose property and money, usually to pay restitution. seems reasonable to me that when you are banned from the game that you lose access to in game property and money. you pay restitution..

oh hell) in the real world, ZOS, if we imagine it as a country with its own rules, would be at the level of dictatorial regimes with the lowest freedom rating and under a lot of sanctions. So don't talk about the real world. Does ZOS have anything resembling a fair judicial system?) Everything you write has nothing to do with the real world. It only confirms that you have no respect for other people's spending. You see an opportunity to take something from someone who you think is doing something wrong, and you rush to take advantage of it.

spartaxoxo · August 20

I think some bans could probably use review. Of the bans that were clear violations, I do think reform and accountability comes with that though.

Tandor · August 20

Players are only lost to the game if they get a permanent ban, and then may open another account. I doubt, however, that a first offence of teabagging in PvP would result in a permanent ban. Is there any evidence that it does? If not, then it's a moot point whether a persistent offender should receive an amnesty.

Perhaps it's also a moot point whether teabagging should just be prohibited altogether. It does seem to be one of the most contentious issues and judging by the number of times it comes up on the forum the present rules seem to be rather open to confusion and difficulty in enforcement.

spartaxoxo · August 20

Tandor wrote: »

Perhaps it's also a moot point whether teabagging should just be prohibited altogether. It does seem to be one of the most contentious issues and judging by the number of times it comes up on the forum the present rules seem to be rather open to confusion and difficulty in enforcement.

It's more difficult to enforce because they took the time to make it right by taking into account intent.

FurryCandyHearts · August 20

PureeEvil wrote: »

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

in the real world when you break the law and go to jail you lose property and money, usually to pay restitution. seems reasonable to me that when you are banned from the game that you lose access to in game property and money. you pay restitution..

oh hell) in the real world, ZOS, if we imagine it as a country with its own rules, would be at the level of dictatorial regimes with the lowest freedom rating and under a lot of sanctions. So don't talk about the real world. Does ZOS have anything resembling a fair judicial system?) Everything you write has nothing to do with the real world. It only confirms that you have no respect for other people's spending. You see an opportunity to take something from someone who you think is doing something wrong, and you rush to take advantage of it.

by choosing to flout the in game rules then perhaps you are the one who rushes to have your stuff taken from you. maybe you should have more respect for your achievements and spending if you find the loss of them so slighting? The onus of your behavior is on you not me.

frogthroat · August 20

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

in the real world when you break the law and go to jail you lose property and money, usually to pay restitution. seems reasonable to me that when you are banned from the game that you lose access to in game property and money. you pay restitution..

In the real world the punishment should fit the crime.

If you show your middle finger to someone, no matter how annoying that is, you should not lose your property and your money.

Teabagging is pretty much the same in the virtual world. It's a juvenile expression and nothing more. The current rule where it is allowed, but if someone asks you to stop you should stop is sufficient in my opinion. Losing your whole account where you have poured hundreds, maybe thousands of hours and dollars over what is an equivalent of a middle finger is a bit harsh.

I don't teabag myself because it's cringe, but if someone does it to me I don't really care. To me that tells more about them than about me.

Asys · August 20

PureeEvil wrote: »

Since I am a candidate for the title of the most banned player in TESO (this is my 4th or 5th account), and these bans were not always justified, but often were a form of PvP revenge. Despite this, I remain a dedicated TESO player. I would like to propose an amnesty for players who have been banned for violating the PvP code of conduct. (I'm not suggesting that bans should be lifted for players who violated the monetization rules, used cheats, or violated the rules of conduct outside of PvP zones)

Even the most terrible, greedy, and bloody dictators eventually granted amnesties. I believe that this would be a good move for ZOS, considering that the PvP segment is gradually losing players.

And I have a good reason for this request. On this account, I often record gameplay. And for 580cp, I have more than 10 recordings with teabagingom on me. Naturally, I didn't complain about them or ask for a ban. But let's imagine that I did. Just from my case, you would have to ban more than 10 players, and some of them would receive permanent bans. PVP would lose 10 players. In my opinion, this is not good for the game. PVP itself requires players to be forgiven for their behavior and allowed to return to the game. And This action will also create free advertising and attract some new players to TESO.

Given the technical condition of pvp (especially BG) and the casual attitude of many players who do not want to understand that, for example, 4x4 is a competitive mode. It would be an honest, healthy and humane step on the part of ZOS. Especially considering that the system of complaints and permanent bans is not very humane in itself. Especially in pvp zones.

I also want to clarify that I am only talking about players who have been punished in PvP zones. I have never engaged in conflicts in dungeons or any other PvE zones, and you will not find any conflict history on my accounts outside of PvP. However, PvP is PvP, and it requires either a relaxation of the rules or at least occasional amnesties. Otherwise, as I mentioned earlier, the outflow of players will exceed the inflow.

I suggest that all PvP players support this post. We will all benefit if at least a few players return to the game. As for me, I would like to get my main account back with a cool house, horses, and fully open equipment slots xD

@ZOS_Kevin , @ZOS_Icy , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_GregoryV Please take note of this post and request and submit it for review.

And a few words for the fans of the "player complaint" button. As I mentioned above, you won't find any stories of my confrontations in PvE zones. In my opinion, if you spend less than 50% of your time in the game on PvP, and if you enter for example to 4x4 match completely unprepared, just to gain daily experience, I believe it's completely immoral for you to even look at this button in PvP zones. This is because it's mostly clicked on by casual players who spend very little time in PvP.

Thank you in advance to everyone who will support this post.

Nothing more fun than pvp crybabies

darkriketz · August 20

PureeEvil wrote: »

Even the most terrible, greedy, and bloody dictators eventually granted amnesties.

No they didn't.

PureeEvil wrote: »

Since I am a candidate for the title of the most banned player in TESO (this is my 4th or 5th account), and these bans were not always justified, but often were a form of PvP revenge. Despite this, I remain a dedicated TESO player. I would like to propose an amnesty for players who have been banned for violating the PvP code of conduct. (I'm not suggesting that bans should be lifted for players who violated the monetization rules, used cheats, or violated the rules of conduct outside of PvP zones)

Fourth or fifth ?!?
I mean, I can understand that ZoS can ban you a bit quickly once, but FOUR TIMES ?!? You really must have done something repeatedly so they "make the same mistake" over and over.

My position about your problem is exactly the same as my position about players who think they can reinvent the wheel and reshape a game that developpers have worked years on to create working systems and lasting balance : you only see your own point of view and you carefully don't explain why you have been banned in the first place. Rules exist for a reason, sometimes they're seem to be harsh, but it doesn't mean they're not legitimate.

For example some of my messages on the forum and even a thread I had created were edited because they didn't follow the rules, even if I felt, when posting them, that I was rightfully defending the game and the workers who allow us to enjoy it through their efforts. The rules were right, I was harsh and even disrespectful, even if I don't feel much of the players I have criticized and despite the fact that I disagree with basically everything they say, it doesn't allow me to express my disapproval, let's say... kindly.

Rules are meant for systems to work as fairly as possible for everyone, and I'm pretty sure that if people in charge decide to ban 3 or 4 accounts, they must have good reasons, especially concerning TESO PvP since many involved players often complain on the forum (not always for legitimate reasons if you listen to me). It doesn't seem to be the most chill and enjoyable part of the game and I get that players can quickly be angry and off-limits.

colossalvoids · August 20

frogthroat wrote: »

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

in the real world when you break the law and go to jail you lose property and money, usually to pay restitution. seems reasonable to me that when you are banned from the game that you lose access to in game property and money. you pay restitution..

In the real world the punishment should fit the crime.

If you show your middle finger to someone, no matter how annoying that is, you should not lose your property and your money.

Teabagging is pretty much the same in the virtual world.

You're not an owner of anything here, it's a licensing. Virtually you're renting an apartment, flipping someone off the balcony and owner decides to revoke your access based on your actions no matter how much you've spent or willing to spend, that's their right and it's there in user agreement. If it's repeated offense you're loosing it all, seems absolutely fair if someone can't learn the expected behaviour and proceeds violations.

darkriketz · August 20

You still haven't precised what caused the three or fourth bans you've been subject to, and again : three or four.
Not one, by accident.
Several, and you admit it.

Also, I disagree with your point 3 : when ZoS bans players that cause conflict, they remove conflict from the game. If new players cause conflict, they remove them too. It's problem-solving cause in the end, players who don't cause conflicts are free to play.

This conversation is going nowhere, I'm pretty sure someone from ZoS team will come to close it and it will be much needed.

Xarc · August 20

Orbital78 wrote: »

If you've been banned more than once you're doing something wrong and not learning from your mistakes.

^

100%

In The Elder Scrolls games, you often begin your journey as a prisoner.
Maybe you should start your new adventure with a new behavior

PureeEvil · August 20

darkriketz wrote: »

PureeEvil wrote: »

Even the most terrible, greedy, and bloody dictators eventually granted amnesties.

No they didn't.

PureeEvil wrote: »

Since I am a candidate for the title of the most banned player in TESO (this is my 4th or 5th account), and these bans were not always justified, but often were a form of PvP revenge. Despite this, I remain a dedicated TESO player. I would like to propose an amnesty for players who have been banned for violating the PvP code of conduct. (I'm not suggesting that bans should be lifted for players who violated the monetization rules, used cheats, or violated the rules of conduct outside of PvP zones)

Fourth or fifth ?!?
I mean, I can understand that ZoS can ban you a bit quickly once, but FOUR TIMES ?!? You really must have done something repeatedly so they "make the same mistake" over and over.

My position about your problem is exactly the same as my position about players who think they can reinvent the wheel and reshape a game that developpers have worked years on to create working systems and lasting balance : you only see your own point of view and you carefully don't explain why you have been banned in the first place. Rules exist for a reason, sometimes they're seem to be harsh, but it doesn't mean they're not legitimate.

For example some of my messages on the forum and even a thread I had created were edited because they didn't follow the rules, even if I felt, when posting them, that I was rightfully defending the game and the workers who allow us to enjoy it through their efforts. The rules were right, I was harsh and even disrespectful, even if I don't feel much of the players I have criticized and despite the fact that I disagree with basically everything they say, it doesn't allow me to express my disapproval, let's say... kindly.

Rules are meant for systems to work as fairly as possible for everyone, and I'm pretty sure that if people in charge decide to ban 3 or 4 accounts, they must have good reasons, especially concerning TESO PvP since many involved players often complain on the forum (not always for legitimate reasons if you listen to me). It doesn't seem to be the most chill and enjoyable part of the game and I get that players can quickly be angry and off-limits.

You can't make me pick out specific examples of dictators granting amnesties. Please read for yourself.

As for my bans. I reacted extremely harshly to the ban of the first account, which had cost me several thousand dollars. My appeals were not considered for any of the other accounts, and two of them were banned due to PvP revenge and abuse of the punishment system. One of the accounts was banned after a complaint from BG about my nickname (I didn't realize it needed to be changed until I saw the email), even though four neural networks had concluded that the nickname was not offensive. However, my appeal was not considered.

As I said, there's no semblance of a judicial system, no consideration of context, and no way to defend yourself properly. It's difficult to do this within the framework of an MMO, and amnesties every few years would be a good solution. (It's easy to link my accounts together, as I have no intention of giving up my fully equipped necromancer's themed house.)

PureeEvil · August 20

darkriketz wrote: »

You still haven't precised what caused the three or fourth bans you've been subject to, and again : three or four.
Not one, by accident.
Several, and you admit it.

Also, I disagree with your point 3 : when ZoS bans players that cause conflict, they remove conflict from the game. If new players cause conflict, they remove them too. It's problem-solving cause in the end, players who don't cause conflicts are free to play.

This conversation is going nowhere, I'm pretty sure someone from ZoS team will come to close it and it will be much needed.

as an example of the third point, I can immediately say that no one has written a clear and understandable text explaining that the 4x4 mode is designed for more experienced PvP players. (and we were promised that 4x4 would be a competitive mode where experienced players could play against experienced players)
Add mmr to this as well. All of my confrontations were caused by an unprepared team for competitive battles.

spartaxoxo · August 20

frogthroat wrote: »

In the real world the punishment should fit the crime.

In the real world, you'll get thrown out of clubs, parks, and other third places if you pester the other guests. They'll let you keep any physical property but stuff that can only be used in those places because they belong to them will be forfeit. That's how bans work in video games too. It is closer to purchasing a drink at a club and being thrown out for pestering the guests and not be able to take the drink with you, than it is to the government seizing someone's house or something.

There's obviously a line between some rough/human moments where players may not use the best language but also obviously weren't intentionally trying to hurt anyone and outright harassment. And that line is not always clear cut because things like context matter.

If person's goal is push anyone out of any game mode, then that's an easy way to tell if their behavior has crossed the line. Alongside things like slurs, extremely aggressive language, etc. All customers should be allowed to enjoy any game mode, free of harassment from others.

Grizzbeorn · August 20

You've been perma-banned 4 or 5 times?
It's not ZOS at fault here.

licenturion · August 20

If rules don’t matter, why have them at all.

What you are saying is that the best way to keep players, is by rewarding the ones who drove others away. Genius.

Maybe next time we can hand out crowns to cheaters too?

Vulkunne · August 20

OP

In general, people just don't care. It doesn't matter whatever your intention was, they don't care. Gotta take steps to safeguard your account and do nothing else to put yourself at risk. The streets are no longer safe and its hell out there. This is the reason why I don't post anything in chat and I scarcely PvP anymore. Maybe one day that will change but I have no reason to care about someone else's PvP Guild or ball group. Because they don't care about anyone else, not even from a gameplay perspective; Yeah. You have to care. Amnesty would be great in a better world; However, it is incompatible in the game's current climate. Work out your salvation forward and before the night is falling. If it puts you at risk, just don't say or do it, is my advice based on what I have seen and the way some people here have behaved towards me.

Sometimes starting over is painful. But regardless of whatever happened to you before, I am pleased to meet you. I wish you the best going forward with this game, good luck to you but know that sometimes in order to move on you have to let some things go. Which is hard, but know that I think highly of you, give yourself a chance and look forward. Make some changes and don't give them the opportunity to tear you down again. Understand, that if you did make mistakes in the past, crafty folks can use that against you with further claims. Cut off the past, leave it behind and start over with courage and optimism, and learn from whatever happened so that you don't repeat those mistakes and others cannot use them against you again. Because they will do it. Good luck, stay positive but learn from whatever happened. Enjoy your day.

Punches_Below_Belt · August 20

licenturion wrote: »

Maybe next time we can hand out crowns to cheaters too?

I think they already do. It’s called being emperor. If you don’t want to cheat, you can always buy it.