What does "Deal Damage" mean?

SeaGtGruff · August 5

"Deal 200000 Damage in Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil or Imperial City"-- okay, but what kind of damage? Does it need to be against other players, or does damage dealt to mobs, bosses, NPCs, and structures count, too? I ask because I've just done a daily IC district quest and I killed Daedra while compketing the quest, but it says I've dealt 0/200000 damage. So what kind of damage must it be for it to count? I'm just asking for the sake of clarification and future occurrences of this type of endeavor.

Addendum: I captured a resource in Cyrodiil, killing all of the guards-- 0 damage dealt. I set up a trebuchet and attacked a keep-- 0 damage dealt. So I'm guessing that "deal damage" must refer specifically to damage dealt to other players? If that's correct, then it would be helpful to say that in the description of the endeavor, to avoid any misunderstandings. In any case, I'm off to the Infinite Archive it seems.

wolfie1.0. · August 5

Should be anykind of damage. But that doesnt mean much if the endeavor is bugged.

SeaGtGruff · August 5

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Should be anykind of damage. But that doesnt mean much if the endeavor is bugged.

Well, I saw someone mention in another thread that they completed the endeavor by playing in a Battleground match, so the endeavor seems to be working-- presumably for damage dealt to other players, and only to damage dealt to other players.

Addendum: Maybe someone should see if damage dealt in duels outside of Cyrodiil, IC, and BGs counts, too?

MrGarlic · August 5

There are two types of PvP damage Endeavours;

'Deal Damage' means damage to other players.

'Deal Damage with Siege Weapons' means, damage with Siege Weapons only.

In isolation, the Endeavour context is confusing, but when you see both, it makes some sense.

I think ZOS should change the tool-tip to make it clear what it relates to.

SeaGtGruff · August 5

"Deal damage" is misleading because it's unspecific, implying any kind of damage.

"Deal damage to other players" is specific and clear, eliminating any chance of confusion. And if damage to another player in a duel also works (which has not been determined yet), then the reference to Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and Battlegrounds can be eliminated to make it even more accurate.

I don't have a problem with the way the endeavor is working, but I think the description should accurately explain how it works so no one gets confused about it.

I'll be logging into PCNA in a few hours to get Monday's and Tuesday's event tickets and reward coffers, so I may try duelling someone to see if the damage counts.

virtus753 · August 5

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

"Deal damage" is misleading because it's unspecific, implying any kind of damage.

"Deal damage to other players" is specific and clear, eliminating any chance of confusion. And if damage to another player in a duel also works (which has not been determined yet), then the reference to Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and Battlegrounds can be eliminated to make it even more accurate.

I don't have a problem with the way the endeavor is working, but I think the description should accurately explain how it works so no one gets confused about it.

I'll be logging into PCNA in a few hours to get Monday's and Tuesday's event tickets and reward coffers, so I may try duelling someone to see if the damage counts.

Damaging another player in a duel did not appear to work just now. (Vvardenfell, PC-NA)

ApoAlaia · August 5

virtus753 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

"Deal damage" is misleading because it's unspecific, implying any kind of damage.

"Deal damage to other players" is specific and clear, eliminating any chance of confusion. And if damage to another player in a duel also works (which has not been determined yet), then the reference to Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and Battlegrounds can be eliminated to make it even more accurate.

I don't have a problem with the way the endeavor is working, but I think the description should accurately explain how it works so no one gets confused about it.

I'll be logging into PCNA in a few hours to get Monday's and Tuesday's event tickets and reward coffers, so I may try duelling someone to see if the damage counts.

Damaging another player in a duel did not appear to work just now. (Vvardenfell, PC-NA)

That is understandable, the endeavour did say 'Deal 200000 Damage in Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil or Imperial City' and Vvardenfell is neither of those places.

I completed the endeavour yesterday while grinding AP and the only damage that counted was the one dealt by oneself (as opposed to 'group damage') against other players. NPCs did not count.

What I didn't check was if siege damage against other players (for instance meatbag catapults or oils ) counted because due to the extended trouble that PC/EU experienced after the maintenance such 'encounters' just did not materialise. At least not during my somewhat reduced play time.

LouisaB75 · August 5

This was definitely bugged yesterday. One of my friends, who like myself was solo, had her damage counter completely stuck and not progressing even when using siege weapons. When she died however, all the damage she had dealt suddenly appeared in the progress bar.

I didn't notice the same issue myself, but it did seem to go a lot slower than usual when dealing damage, and what I had anticipated to be a quick endeavour ended up taking the best part of an hour. Since I did die a lot during that hour as we were failing to successfully defend keeps, it could simply be that I didn't notice the stuck counter if I had it.

I should add that my slow progress was on the PC NA server but my friend was on the PC EU server when she noticed the lack of progress. I didn't test it out on the EU server because of the issues of logging in and ended up doing the Black Sacrament daily over there instead when I finally got on.

zaria · August 5

MrGarlic wrote: »

There are two types of PvP damage Endeavours;

'Deal Damage' means damage to other players.

'Deal Damage with Siege Weapons' means, damage with Siege Weapons only.

In isolation, the Endeavour context is confusing, but when you see both, it makes some sense.

I think ZOS should change the tool-tip to make it clear what it relates to.

Note that the siege weapon damage can be to npc, even on dolmens and other places, not only pvp areas like resources.
Its much easier to do damage to npc than walls.

MorallyBipolar · August 5

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

"Deal 200000 Damage in Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil or Imperial City"-- okay, but what kind of damage? Does it need to be against other players, or does damage dealt to mobs, bosses, NPCs, and structures count, too? I ask because I've just done a daily IC district quest and I killed Daedra while compketing the quest, but it says I've dealt 0/200000 damage. So what kind of damage must it be for it to count? I'm just asking for the sake of clarification and future occurrences of this type of endeavor.

Addendum: I captured a resource in Cyrodiil, killing all of the guards-- 0 damage dealt. I set up a trebuchet and attacked a keep-- 0 damage dealt. So I'm guessing that "deal damage" must refer specifically to damage dealt to other players? If that's correct, then it would be helpful to say that in the description of the endeavor, to avoid any misunderstandings. In any case, I'm off to the Infinite Archive it seems.

It's damage to other players only now. I think they changed it recently.

Still, pretty easy to get endeavor completion. Just find a group sieging a keep and set up a meatbag.

MorallyBipolar · August 5

virtus753 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

"Deal damage" is misleading because it's unspecific, implying any kind of damage.

"Deal damage to other players" is specific and clear, eliminating any chance of confusion. And if damage to another player in a duel also works (which has not been determined yet), then the reference to Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and Battlegrounds can be eliminated to make it even more accurate.

I don't have a problem with the way the endeavor is working, but I think the description should accurately explain how it works so no one gets confused about it.

I'll be logging into PCNA in a few hours to get Monday's and Tuesday's event tickets and reward coffers, so I may try duelling someone to see if the damage counts.

Damaging another player in a duel did not appear to work just now. (Vvardenfell, PC-NA)

Endeavor specifically stated that damage had to be done in Cyrodiil, IC or BG's.

virtus753 · August 5

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

"Deal damage" is misleading because it's unspecific, implying any kind of damage.

"Deal damage to other players" is specific and clear, eliminating any chance of confusion. And if damage to another player in a duel also works (which has not been determined yet), then the reference to Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and Battlegrounds can be eliminated to make it even more accurate.

I don't have a problem with the way the endeavor is working, but I think the description should accurately explain how it works so no one gets confused about it.

I'll be logging into PCNA in a few hours to get Monday's and Tuesday's event tickets and reward coffers, so I may try duelling someone to see if the damage counts.

Damaging another player in a duel did not appear to work just now. (Vvardenfell, PC-NA)

Endeavor specifically stated that damage had to be done in Cyrodiil, IC or BG's.

Endeavor also specifically states “deal damage,” which is so omissive as to be incorrect. I was testing whether the second part was likewise inaccurate and whether any player damage counted regardless of zone. Fortunately that part’s fine, so the endeavor only requires the addition of “to players” to correct the issue.

The fact they neglected to do this even in the tooltip and simply copypasted the title just makes it worse. Tooltips that merely repeat the title text, which happened with the majority of yesterday’s endeavors, serve no purpose.

davapoole · August 5

usually if you hover over the endevour it will say what you have to do but some are misleading untill you hover mouse pointer over them and will say what you need to deal damage to or usually does. i always get mixed up what some mean and thats what i do

SeaGtGruff · August 5

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

"Deal damage" is misleading because it's unspecific, implying any kind of damage.

"Deal damage to other players" is specific and clear, eliminating any chance of confusion. And if damage to another player in a duel also works (which has not been determined yet), then the reference to Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and Battlegrounds can be eliminated to make it even more accurate.

I don't have a problem with the way the endeavor is working, but I think the description should accurately explain how it works so no one gets confused about it.

I'll be logging into PCNA in a few hours to get Monday's and Tuesday's event tickets and reward coffers, so I may try duelling someone to see if the damage counts.

Damaging another player in a duel did not appear to work just now. (Vvardenfell, PC-NA)

Endeavor specifically stated that damage had to be done in Cyrodiil, IC or BG's.

Yes, but since it’s clear that the description is misleading about “dealing damage”— which includes no mention that it must be “against other players,” just that the damage must be dealt in Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil, or Imperial City— I was curious whether the damage to other players had to occur in a PvP-enabled zone or could be dealt in duels.

My question about that has been answered, but it doesn’t alter the fact that the wording really ought to be modified to state that the damage must be dealt against other players, because as we saw in other threads, players were confused about what types of damage could be used to complete the endeavor.

virtus753 · August 5

davapoole wrote: »

usually if you hover over the endevour it will say what you have to do but some are misleading untill you hover mouse pointer over them and will say what you need to deal damage to or usually does. i always get mixed up what some mean and thats what i do

That’s part of the issue with this endeavor — the hover text merely repeats verbatim the erroneous text we already saw. For such endeavors there’s no point in hovering over for more information (not that we know that until we do it).

marcbf · August 5

From my own experience, in PvP it means dealing damage to other players.

Dagoth_Rac · August 5

You can do damage to non-players in Cyrodiil and IC. Heck, you can complete the requirements to get event tickets from the PVP event without actually damaging other players (scouting quests, town quests, Fighters Guild bounty quests, etc.).

So ESO has a long history of luring PvE players into PvP zones without requiring PvP. Just putting yourself at risk and putting your squishy PvE body out there for hardened PvP players to steamroll has often been enough.

So it really is something that ZOS should be explicit about in the endeavor text. Because there is lots of precedent for ZOS giving you rewards just for risking PvP and not necessarily engaging in it.