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Stop Kill Nightblade
DarkWitcher2511
Soul Shriven
Please stop killing NB. With every update, you destroy this class; it's practically unplayable now. Every time you nerf invisibility, then remove penetration, nerf grim focus, and in this update you kill grim focus even more. NB is already far inferior to other classes such as the Templar and Necromancer. I beg you to listen and stop. How much more can you take? I started this game as an NB, tried all the classes, and came back to NB. Many people like it, they like to play the assassin gameplay, and as a class, it is very attractive to different players, each with their own philosophy and gameplay. But now you are simply destroying the NB as a class, making it unusable in both PvE and PvP content. I understand that you can create another class and play with it, but my heart will always remain with the NB. Please listen and stop destroying the NB.
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PDarkBHood✭✭✭For grim focus, could you make the 'glow' effect survive from zone to zone please. Right now the glow disappears when travelling to a new zone. Within a zone it is fine, but please make the glow stay with us from zone to zone. Thank you!Edited by PDarkBHood on 31 July 2025 14:582
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MincMincMinc✭✭✭✭✭
✭Grim focus does more than most other skill lines do combined. It could lose the WD(now savagery) buff and the heal and still be worth slotting 100% of the time. It scales higher than I think every ult in the game EVERY 5s.
If anything you should be asking for grim focus to be balanced down and then have shadow and siphoning to gain damage. Swallow soul and cripple hasn't been a viable damage playstyle since like 2017. Shadow has ...... one guaranteed crit for damage I guess?
Shadow should be a mimic of stormcalling where it should be a source of resolve with the utility of cloak(streak) With damage supplements.We should use the insightful and awesome buttons more9 -
xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gotta love how every NB change is always somehow a nerf in PvE and an insane op buff in PvP.PC/NA || Cyro/BGs || RIP old PvP build system || bring Vengeance9 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭MincMincMinc wrote: »Grim focus does more than most other skill lines do combined. It could lose the WD(now savagery) buff and the heal and still be worth slotting 100% of the time. It scales higher than I think every ult in the game EVERY 5s.
If anything you should be asking for grim focus to be balanced down and then have shadow and siphoning to gain damage. Swallow soul and cripple hasn't been a viable damage playstyle since like 2017. Shadow has ...... one guaranteed crit for damage I guess?
Shadow should be a mimic of stormcalling where it should be a source of resolve with the utility of cloak(streak) With damage supplements.
Perhaps we could start by moving Veiled Strike back to Shadow.2 -
MincMincMinc✭✭✭✭✭
✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »Grim focus does more than most other skill lines do combined. It could lose the WD(now savagery) buff and the heal and still be worth slotting 100% of the time. It scales higher than I think every ult in the game EVERY 5s.
If anything you should be asking for grim focus to be balanced down and then have shadow and siphoning to gain damage. Swallow soul and cripple hasn't been a viable damage playstyle since like 2017. Shadow has ...... one guaranteed crit for damage I guess?
Shadow should be a mimic of stormcalling where it should be a source of resolve with the utility of cloak(streak) With damage supplements.
Perhaps we could start by moving Veiled Strike back to Shadow.
It would be a good start to give shadow literally anythingWe should use the insightful and awesome buttons more4 -
Vaqual✭✭✭✭✭
✭DisagreeAvran_Sylt wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »Grim focus does more than most other skill lines do combined. It could lose the WD(now savagery) buff and the heal and still be worth slotting 100% of the time. It scales higher than I think every ult in the game EVERY 5s.
If anything you should be asking for grim focus to be balanced down and then have shadow and siphoning to gain damage. Swallow soul and cripple hasn't been a viable damage playstyle since like 2017. Shadow has ...... one guaranteed crit for damage I guess?
Shadow should be a mimic of stormcalling where it should be a source of resolve with the utility of cloak(streak) With damage supplements.
Perhaps we could start by moving Veiled Strike back to Shadow.
Please not, add something proper without relying on the same 3 core NB abilities.1 -
MincMincMinc✭✭✭✭✭
✭DisagreeAvran_Sylt wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »Grim focus does more than most other skill lines do combined. It could lose the WD(now savagery) buff and the heal and still be worth slotting 100% of the time. It scales higher than I think every ult in the game EVERY 5s.
If anything you should be asking for grim focus to be balanced down and then have shadow and siphoning to gain damage. Swallow soul and cripple hasn't been a viable damage playstyle since like 2017. Shadow has ...... one guaranteed crit for damage I guess?
Shadow should be a mimic of stormcalling where it should be a source of resolve with the utility of cloak(streak) With damage supplements.
Perhaps we could start by moving Veiled Strike back to Shadow.
Please not, add something proper without relying on the same 3 core NB abilities.
Yeah like buffing literally any of the siphoning damage skill tooltips.
Otherwise Assassin line just has the strongest spammable, the strongest burst skill/ult, and the strongest 1v1 ults.We should use the insightful and awesome buttons more2 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »Grim focus does more than most other skill lines do combined. It could lose the WD(now savagery) buff and the heal and still be worth slotting 100% of the time. It scales higher than I think every ult in the game EVERY 5s.
If anything you should be asking for grim focus to be balanced down and then have shadow and siphoning to gain damage. Swallow soul and cripple hasn't been a viable damage playstyle since like 2017. Shadow has ...... one guaranteed crit for damage I guess?
Shadow should be a mimic of stormcalling where it should be a source of resolve with the utility of cloak(streak) With damage supplements.
Perhaps we could start by moving Veiled Strike back to Shadow.
What part of the Shadow Skill line involves summoning Spectral Assassination Weapons?
That would be like putting the Summon Bear ultimate in the Winter's Embrace skill line.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on 1 August 2025 06:341 -
Major_Toughness✭✭✭✭✭MincMincMinc wrote: »Grim focus does more than most other skill lines do combined. It could lose the WD(now savagery) buff and the heal and still be worth slotting 100% of the time. It scales higher than I think every ult in the game EVERY 5s.
If anything you should be asking for grim focus to be balanced down and then have shadow and siphoning to gain damage. Swallow soul and cripple hasn't been a viable damage playstyle since like 2017. Shadow has ...... one guaranteed crit for damage I guess?
Shadow should be a mimic of stormcalling where it should be a source of resolve with the utility of cloak(streak) With damage supplements.
Take Flight is higher, but that is the only one.
Crystal Frag procs are close and can be cast more often.MAKE AZUREBLIGHT GREAT AGAIN
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Renato90085✭✭✭✭✭xylena_lazarow wrote: »Gotta love how every NB change is always somehow a nerf in PvE and an insane op buff in PvP.
pvper:OMG,zos continuous buffed nb many patch
pveer:OMG,zos continuous nerfed nb many patch0 -
MincMincMinc✭✭✭✭✭
✭Major_Toughness wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »Grim focus does more than most other skill lines do combined. It could lose the WD(now savagery) buff and the heal and still be worth slotting 100% of the time. It scales higher than I think every ult in the game EVERY 5s.
If anything you should be asking for grim focus to be balanced down and then have shadow and siphoning to gain damage. Swallow soul and cripple hasn't been a viable damage playstyle since like 2017. Shadow has ...... one guaranteed crit for damage I guess?
Shadow should be a mimic of stormcalling where it should be a source of resolve with the utility of cloak(streak) With damage supplements.
Take Flight is higher, but that is the only one.
Crystal Frag procs are close and can be cast more often.- Merci = 2.1476 + 300WD(Major Savagery) + Minor savagery + 2.5% crit chance+ 10% crit damage + Every 5s
- Take Flight = 2.2764 + Stun + 323 health recov
- Frag = 1.1226 + 66% at most is 1.86 unless it is additive for 1.7826 + minor prophecy + 33% chance or assume every 3 casts ~4s more or less.
Having a normal skill eclipsing ultimates is just baffling to me how did we get to this point in power creep where its being justified to any degree. Take flight does tooltip scale higher, but even just factoring back in the wd buff on live we are at par with take flight again. Except we would still be ignoring the fact of merci being every 5s instead of every 30-50s.
I can use UESP effective to compare end build tooltips if you want. 99% sure merci will come out on top.Edited by MincMincMinc on 1 August 2025 16:41We should use the insightful and awesome buttons more4 -
Eskibidus✭✭✭NIghtbladeDarkWitcher2511 wrote: »NB is already far inferior to other classes such as the Templar and Necromancer.
This statement is not true in either PvP or PvE.
Assassination is by far the most used skill line in subclassing, and it definitely needs a nerf. There are many other things that need rebalancing, but let's start with the most obvious one.
Also, Necro as a pure class is a joke right now.
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MincMincMinc✭✭✭✭✭
✭NIghtbladeDarkWitcher2511 wrote: »NB is already far inferior to other classes such as the Templar and Necromancer.
This statement is not true in either PvP or PvE.
Assassination is by far the most used skill line in subclassing, and it definitely needs a nerf. There are many other things that need rebalancing, but let's start with the most obvious one.
Also, Necro as a pure class is a joke right now.
Necro pure class actually functions really well in pvp as a block tank, but thats about it lol. TBH most pure classes are terrible now. The top tier playstyles are ones that have depended on one skill line for years like stamsorc only having stormcalling for 90% of its identity.We should use the insightful and awesome buttons more2 -
Markytous✭✭✭✭Naw I think its time that Grim Focus deals less damage, either by removing the double barrel or just reducing the tooltip.3