Honestly, I'd rather see the opposite, reduce the base damage of more skills while also giving them the ability to ignore resistances (and I say this as someone who plays a build with 40k armor and 6k weapon damage that doesn't use Aedric spear or Assassination, who would directly benefit from your proposed change to Javelin).

While it is true that Sub-classing has massively increased the damage aspect of this game, the tanking aspect has also increased by similar amounts and some of the PvP tank builds I'm seeing come through are completely unkillable outside of specifically Javelin to force out either more healing because a single HoT cannot out-heal a spammed spammable or more rolling to dodge Javelin's stun, both options result in draining their resources, giving a window to potentially kill them.

Just looking objectively at the CMX for a moment, Javelin, even with ignoring resistances, is still 10% lower damage (on average) than surprise attack.

As for the mag Javelin, the single biggest counter to that ability is the Nibenay monster set, since it is a knock back, so if they hit you with it, you get a massive shield to block their combo they try to burst you with alongside it (go watch some of KingKuro's recent PvP streams, where he constantly runs into this issue with using mag Javelin for examples and testimony of this hard counter to mag Javelin).

We have only this patch come out of the "unkillable tank meta", removing the 1 tool left in the game that pressures the even more unkillable tanks we are seeing come out is not going to go down well, especially when this ability really doesn't do anywhere near the damage against regular or squishy builds that other spammables do.

Say what you will about the current crit meta (and stacking crit damage is a completely different issue that I do agree needs addressing), but I've found more success building to have capped resistances with breach applied than I have trying to max out crit resistances due to how high crit damage can be stacked currently. It's not a perfect solution and I'm not ignoring crit resistances completely (still have 4-6 impen), but it's funny to see so much wasted damage because of opponents being so far over the crit cap doesn't change anything against my build, so the 4k damage that would be a 10k crit is now only 3k damage for a 7.5k crit (I'm also not running a mythic at all and doing fine, and no I'm not going to pay more than entire chapter, just for the broken monomyth mythic that is part of what's enabling the current crit meta alongside Assassination).

If anything needs to happen, it would be to gut the Assassination skill line into oblivion, so that obtaining the current insane amounts of Crit (both chance and damage) would actually require proper trade-offs instead of just slotting 1 skill line that also includes 3 of the best active DPS abilities in the entire game. This one fix would solve your issues with Javelin, 10% less crit damage, something like 15% (will be nearly 30% next patch) less crit chance and if players are going for a crit build they won't have MR burst, incap +20% damage done and concealed/SA for off-balance + sundered + potential guaranteed crit.

Kay, I am a scrub.

But both should apply CC immunity, right?

You know, or they can add "on monsters" at the end of the tooltip.

So, for once, pve skills aren't butchered because some guy in pvp died 3 times to them and complained.

The skill isn't the issue it's the stacking of crit damage, just reduce crit damage to PvP to max 50%

preevious wrote: »

You know, or they can add "on monsters" at the end of the tooltip.

So, for once, pve skills aren't butchered because some guy in pvp died 3 times to them and complained.

Javelin is a PvP skill, unless you’re telling me people use stuns in PvE?… Also, “some guy” is a veteran of the game and understands PvP more than the majority of the playerbase.

I realize the OP raised the question of javelin’s damage specifically, and I agree. It’s a bit of a different issue but if we touch on javelin I feel like it has to be mentioned too. One of the main reasons for it’s popularity, besides being an unblockable ranged stun and coming from a strong line, is the fact that it’s extremely poorly telegraphed. It’s unblockable because it is supposed to be dodgeable. However, in reality it hits almost instantly with barely any prior animation leaving no time to react unless you predict it, and even then it can sometimes connect due to latency. This advantage becomes more apparent when compared to rune prison, both being ranged unblockable stuns. The main reason rune prison is never used is exactly the same, because it’s well telegraphed and is too easy to dodge.

In my opinion, both of these issues need to be addressed. Both damage and animation.

If zos bring the assassin back to normal, I think this problem will be solved. Javelin is a symptom not a cause.

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Imo it can be a slippery slope when the game has too many ignore XYZ stat. Look at the issues we already have with acuity onslaught builds. PvP alone already has players capping Resists, Pen, Crit, Critdmg, speed all on the same build.

Can these exist, sure but they should be far more niche than waiting for a cooldown like acuity or onslaught ult gen or balorgh ult gen. Atleast the older 1vX playstyles like fury would require you to be in the thick of combat for them to be useful.

Onslaught - Bring back the unique return ult on kill.....then give 3.3k(5%) pen after each kill. So successful uses in a row builds up the pen instead of a guaranteed window. Maybe it could also give 3.3k armor as well.

I watched a video of PVP posted a long time ago and fondly remembered the Reset on Killing Blow mechanic that 2H Ult had. That was so cool, especially on Dragonknight/Battle Roar. Could be a cool Pelinal type ability just like Pelinal's Wrath does things on player kill. idk!