Update 47 and Frost Damage Builds

ESO_Nightingale · July 14

alpha_synuclein wrote: »

It would be nice to see warden class mastery reworked into something frost related.

I'd love this. The class mastery has caused nothing but trouble in pvp and charm effects have never been apart of class identity

ESO_Nightingale · July 16

randconfig wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Tentacular Dread is already so close to being a semi spammable burst frost skill, it just needs some tweaking.
Tentacular Dread:
At 4004 Frost damage, it's quite similar to other skills in it's category: Sub Assault (2509+2509), Deep Fissure (2509+3486), Daedric Prey (2904), Haunting Curse (2999/2999), Blighted Blastbones (3600), Mercilous Resolve (4752), Relentless Focus (4183), Backlash (1161+3852), Flame Lash(3717), and Crystal Frag (4128).

With the above in mind, it's hard to justify too much of a buff on the damage side, but I think I found a solution.

Remove the +2% Abyssal Ink damage per crux spent, leaving the base 5%.

Add -15% cost reduction per crux spent totaling -45% cost, resulting in 1931 Magicka instead of 3510.

Slight increase to the damage dealt per crux from 33% to 40%, resulting in 4404 Frost damage instead of 4004.

Change Imperfect Ring morphs base damage from Magic to Frost matching the synergy it provides.

Buff the Arcanist class mastery to provide 2% damage done and healing done per active crux in addition to generating a crux. This allows a skill like Wield Soul to be an alternative spammable to Rune Blades without completely gutting your DPS, you could use Chilling Soul and do reasonably well as a Frost build or allow other classes to interact with the line better instead of crutching on Beam all the time.

Could change the element of more Arcanist skills, but if they won't do it for Sorc or Warden with very obvious element affinities they're not gonna do it for Arcanist with none. Imperfect Ring is an easy slam dunk though.

The point I made about better damage, less debuff, and less cost for Dread is to make it worth casting every 3 seconds for those that want to engage in that type of mini game. Right now it deals decent damage, but it costs way too much and the huge damage done debuff just makes other burst skills in this list overshadow it.

Obviously there's a slight problem of requiring Arcanist as a main class to use Chilling Soul + Tentacular Dread, but I'm not sure of a solution for that aside from "it is what it is" for now. Maybe we'll get more classes in the future to round out shock and frost, but in the mean time you could just use Rune Blades and forgo the 15% Frost damage on 1 skill.

Also.. nerf beam's cleave so other damage setups can actually thrive. Eg. -15% damage per enemy hit beyond the first.

Can't really use Tentacular Dread because the class mastery script nerf and the ongoing bugged interaction with it and Inspired Scholarship/other-morphs, unless you're okay with being stuck using runeblades as a spammable since you can't even scribe a frost spammable that generates crux now.

Why can't Arcanist do anything other than spam the beam ZOS, stop removing player choice with the crux system. The problem is the beam, why can't you just nerf the beam, like how hard is to make the beam not allow crux generation during it's channel, why do you have to wreck the entire class's ability to engage with scribing, engage with subclassing, or use literally anything other than runeblades. It's like you want to make people mad and kill off the game. First breaking the Necromancer class entirely in U46 and now removing the viability of any Arcanist playstyle other than just spamming the beam in U47. I'm actually so frustrated and sad for the game now, if this comes to live, I think I'm done.

this isnt true at all. it was only banner that was changed. chilling soul/knife still do it no problem.

ESO_Nightingale · July 17

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

Now imagine if Crystal Frag’s current appearance became a Skill Style and the skill was made icy blue and Frost Damage.

I'd love that too but dark magic suffers greatly from having bad passives skills.

at least it'll have +8% max mag and stam so thats definitely better. not sure if it'll be worth it though, but i'm keen to see if it is. i absolutely love crystal fragments.

madmufffin · July 17

Crystal frags needs to be set free from the shackles of the Dark Magic line and changed to shock damage

ESO_Nightingale · July 17

madmufffin wrote: »

Crystal frags needs to be set free from the shackles of the Dark Magic line and changed to shock damage

i do agree but i don't exactly know what you'd swap it with.

madmufffin · July 17

Personally I'd say surge as it fits the utility vibe that makes up dark magic right now. Also has a "heal" component to it.

Calibanana · July 17

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Crystal frags needs to be set free from the shackles of the Dark Magic line and changed to shock damage

i do agree but i don't exactly know what you'd swap it with.

Might be silly but hear me out: What if Crystal Shards was swapped with Mage's Fury?

Crystal Shards could be changed to look like a lightning bolt, with Crystal Weapon becoming an arcing storm on your weapon. And then Mage's Fury, now being in Dark Magic, could be changed to have an animation similar to Encase where crystals form around someone. Only in this case they slam into the target if they enter/are below the execute threshold.

Turtle_Bot · July 18

madmufffin wrote: »

Personally I'd say surge as it fits the utility vibe that makes up dark magic right now. Also has a "heal" component to it.

Something I suggested somewhere else:

Move Brut/Sorc buff onto Lightning Form (especially if ZOS wants to move resolve into the pet line), move surge into dark magic (and turn it into a more regular HoT with utility, but also keeping a watered down version of its heal on crit effect) and move shards into storm calling, renaming it to "Charged Shards" - electrically charged crystals that deal shock damage.

This doesn't solve Mages Fury, Overload, or Lightning Splash, but at least the spammable would now be in the DPS line.

Tbh lightning splash just needs a small debuff to enemies standing in it to take additional shock damage and remove its clunky cast animation that causes issues casting the ability and it would be a fine shock themed DoT imo, especially now that it has the self-synergy so the synergy can actually count towards the casters DPS and abilities tooltip.

Overload just (in general) needs some PvE specific buffs, and a very slight damage increase on the power morph, and have it's countless bugs fixed and considering frags is now in the line and fury is reworked, would be fine as a low cost ultimate.

Mages Fury is where the real work is required. This ability was pure garbage even before it got its proc duration halved (a change that really was never needed, especially with how non-functional the ability is in lag/high ping). I will say, the vengeance version felt less buggy to cast (not completely bug free, but better than the live version), so maybe ZOS could start their rework of Fury with the vengeance version as the base (less bugs to fix) and give it separate morphs, 1 that keeps a significantly buffed version of the current design for those who like it, one that functions more like a traditional execute.

madmufffin · July 18

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Personally I'd say surge as it fits the utility vibe that makes up dark magic right now. Also has a "heal" component to it.

Something I suggested somewhere else:

Move Brut/Sorc buff onto Lightning Form (especially if ZOS wants to move resolve into the pet line), move surge into dark magic (and turn it into a more regular HoT with utility, but also keeping a watered down version of its heal on crit effect) and move shards into storm calling, renaming it to "Charged Shards" - electrically charged crystals that deal shock damage.

This doesn't solve Mages Fury, Overload, or Lightning Splash, but at least the spammable would now be in the DPS line.

Tbh lightning splash just needs a small debuff to enemies standing in it to take additional shock damage and remove its clunky cast animation that causes issues casting the ability and it would be a fine shock themed DoT imo, especially now that it has the self-synergy so the synergy can actually count towards the casters DPS and abilities tooltip.

Overload just (in general) needs some PvE specific buffs, and a very slight damage increase on the power morph, and have it's countless bugs fixed and considering frags is now in the line and fury is reworked, would be fine as a low cost ultimate.

Mages Fury is where the real work is required. This ability was pure garbage even before it got its proc duration halved (a change that really was never needed, especially with how non-functional the ability is in lag/high ping). I will say, the vengeance version felt less buggy to cast (not completely bug free, but better than the live version), so maybe ZOS could start their rework of Fury with the vengeance version as the base (less bugs to fix) and give it separate morphs, 1 that keeps a significantly buffed version of the current design for those who like it, one that functions more like a traditional execute.

These are all reasonable things. Moving shards and reworking mage's changes Sorc to being in such a better place and is something I really wish they'd do.

LittlePinkDot · July 18

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Tentacular Dread is already so close to being a semi spammable burst frost skill, it just needs some tweaking.
Tentacular Dread:
At 4004 Frost damage, it's quite similar to other skills in it's category: Sub Assault (2509+2509), Deep Fissure (2509+3486), Daedric Prey (2904), Haunting Curse (2999/2999), Blighted Blastbones (3600), Mercilous Resolve (4752), Relentless Focus (4183), Backlash (1161+3852), Flame Lash(3717), and Crystal Frag (4128).

With the above in mind, it's hard to justify too much of a buff on the damage side, but I think I found a solution.

Remove the +2% Abyssal Ink damage per crux spent, leaving the base 5%.

Add -15% cost reduction per crux spent totaling -45% cost, resulting in 1931 Magicka instead of 3510.

Slight increase to the damage dealt per crux from 33% to 40%, resulting in 4404 Frost damage instead of 4004.

Change Imperfect Ring morphs base damage from Magic to Frost matching the synergy it provides.

Buff the Arcanist class mastery to provide 2% damage done and healing done per active crux in addition to generating a crux. This allows a skill like Wield Soul to be an alternative spammable to Rune Blades without completely gutting your DPS, you could use Chilling Soul and do reasonably well as a Frost build or allow other classes to interact with the line better instead of crutching on Beam all the time.

Could change the element of more Arcanist skills, but if they won't do it for Sorc or Warden with very obvious element affinities they're not gonna do it for Arcanist with none. Imperfect Ring is an easy slam dunk though.

The point I made about better damage, less debuff, and less cost for Dread is to make it worth casting every 3 seconds for those that want to engage in that type of mini game. Right now it deals decent damage, but it costs way too much and the huge damage done debuff just makes other burst skills in this list overshadow it.

Obviously there's a slight problem of requiring Arcanist as a main class to use Chilling Soul + Tentacular Dread, but I'm not sure of a solution for that aside from "it is what it is" for now. Maybe we'll get more classes in the future to round out shock and frost, but in the mean time you could just use Rune Blades and forgo the 15% Frost damage on 1 skill.

Also.. nerf beam's cleave so other damage setups can actually thrive. Eg. -15% damage per enemy hit beyond the first.

personally i'm not a fan of tying our identity so heavily to arcanist and it's crux system. it forces using runeblades or a scribing skill just to make it function when it really should be focused around chilled. i do like tentacular dread though. the issue that arcanist skills have is they're incredibly immersion breaking for frost damage builds. the green runes might do frost damage but they don't at all look like frost.

I want them to make a frost blades morph of rune blades.

ESO_Nightingale · July 19

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Tentacular Dread is already so close to being a semi spammable burst frost skill, it just needs some tweaking.
Tentacular Dread:
At 4004 Frost damage, it's quite similar to other skills in it's category: Sub Assault (2509+2509), Deep Fissure (2509+3486), Daedric Prey (2904), Haunting Curse (2999/2999), Blighted Blastbones (3600), Mercilous Resolve (4752), Relentless Focus (4183), Backlash (1161+3852), Flame Lash(3717), and Crystal Frag (4128).

With the above in mind, it's hard to justify too much of a buff on the damage side, but I think I found a solution.

Remove the +2% Abyssal Ink damage per crux spent, leaving the base 5%.

Add -15% cost reduction per crux spent totaling -45% cost, resulting in 1931 Magicka instead of 3510.

Slight increase to the damage dealt per crux from 33% to 40%, resulting in 4404 Frost damage instead of 4004.

Change Imperfect Ring morphs base damage from Magic to Frost matching the synergy it provides.

Buff the Arcanist class mastery to provide 2% damage done and healing done per active crux in addition to generating a crux. This allows a skill like Wield Soul to be an alternative spammable to Rune Blades without completely gutting your DPS, you could use Chilling Soul and do reasonably well as a Frost build or allow other classes to interact with the line better instead of crutching on Beam all the time.

Could change the element of more Arcanist skills, but if they won't do it for Sorc or Warden with very obvious element affinities they're not gonna do it for Arcanist with none. Imperfect Ring is an easy slam dunk though.

The point I made about better damage, less debuff, and less cost for Dread is to make it worth casting every 3 seconds for those that want to engage in that type of mini game. Right now it deals decent damage, but it costs way too much and the huge damage done debuff just makes other burst skills in this list overshadow it.

Obviously there's a slight problem of requiring Arcanist as a main class to use Chilling Soul + Tentacular Dread, but I'm not sure of a solution for that aside from "it is what it is" for now. Maybe we'll get more classes in the future to round out shock and frost, but in the mean time you could just use Rune Blades and forgo the 15% Frost damage on 1 skill.

Also.. nerf beam's cleave so other damage setups can actually thrive. Eg. -15% damage per enemy hit beyond the first.

personally i'm not a fan of tying our identity so heavily to arcanist and it's crux system. it forces using runeblades or a scribing skill just to make it function when it really should be focused around chilled. i do like tentacular dread though. the issue that arcanist skills have is they're incredibly immersion breaking for frost damage builds. the green runes might do frost damage but they don't at all look like frost.

I want them to make a frost blades morph of rune blades.

i reckon they'll only ever do like a skin. maybe. would be pretty cool though.

ESO_Nightingale · July 22

saw some discussion from @BasP talking about northern. id like some additional changes too. would be nice to see 1 morph be defacto pvp with major protection and northern storm be more duration for sustained dmg

BasP · July 22

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

saw some discussion from @BasP talking about northern. id like some additional changes too. would be nice to see 1 morph be defacto pvp with major protection and northern storm be more duration for sustained dmg

Yeah, I personally think it would be nice if the Major Protection would be dropped in exchange for a longer DoT. I don't really see the value in having Major Protection on Northern Storm myself. Even in fights with hard hitting bosses where Major Protection is useful, tanks (and solo builds) with Winter's Embrace are better off just slotting Revealing Flare instead because that's more reliable than having the buff temporarily on a skill that costs 200 Ultimate.

I also feel like Northern Storm would be more unique if it didn't have the defensive buff. It would make it more distinctive from Permafrost, and in its current state I also feel like it's hard not to compare Northern Storm to Standard of Might. The latter is better both defensively (since its unique 15% damage mitigation can stack with Major Protection) and offensively (since that DoT deals 13920 damage, going by ESO-Hub values, and Northern Storm deals 9592 damage).

If Northern Storm's DoT would be increased to 12 seconds, it would only deal slightly more damage than Standard, which seems fair to me since it wouldn't have a defensive aspect anymore. Not to mention that it's in a worse line for DPS too.

madmufffin · July 22

Frost damage is just objectively worse than flame damage too since the proc is meh without the warden passives.

ESO_Nightingale · July 24

madmufffin wrote: »

Frost damage is just objectively worse than flame damage too since the proc is meh without the warden passives.

part of this is due to engulfing flames and to a much lesser extent, encratis's behemoth.

madmufffin · July 24

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Frost damage is just objectively worse than flame damage too since the proc is meh without the warden passives.

part of this is due to engulfing flames and to a much lesser extent, encratis's behemoth.

I think it's mainly because of burning. Almost never have Encratis anymore and Engulfing is hit or miss in being in comps.

ESO_Nightingale · July 24

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Frost damage is just objectively worse than flame damage too since the proc is meh without the warden passives.

part of this is due to engulfing flames and to a much lesser extent, encratis's behemoth.

I think it's mainly because of burning. Almost never have Encratis anymore and Engulfing is hit or miss in being in comps.

burning is pretty strong for sure, but with glacial, chilled is definitely stronger. even on elementalist settups, molten whip is followed by chilled being the next highest source of damage. winter's embrace definitely makes frost damage better than flame when you take it, but that by itself isn't really enough to take it over other lines if you're looking for raw damage output. its just theme.

madmufffin · July 24

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Frost damage is just objectively worse than flame damage too since the proc is meh without the warden passives.

part of this is due to engulfing flames and to a much lesser extent, encratis's behemoth.

I think it's mainly because of burning. Almost never have Encratis anymore and Engulfing is hit or miss in being in comps.

burning is pretty strong for sure, but with glacial, chilled is definitely stronger. even on elementalist settups, molten whip is followed by chilled being the next highest source of damage. winter's embrace definitely makes frost damage better than flame when you take it, but that by itself isn't really enough to take it over other lines if you're looking for raw damage output. its just theme.

Yeah I was talking about the elements in a vacuum. Comparatively, I'm pretty confident flame with Ardent Flame passives outperforms frost with Winter's Embrace passives. Shock is just ass because they refuse to make Storm Calling functional for elemental builds lol

ESO_Nightingale · July 24

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Frost damage is just objectively worse than flame damage too since the proc is meh without the warden passives.

part of this is due to engulfing flames and to a much lesser extent, encratis's behemoth.

I think it's mainly because of burning. Almost never have Encratis anymore and Engulfing is hit or miss in being in comps.

burning is pretty strong for sure, but with glacial, chilled is definitely stronger. even on elementalist settups, molten whip is followed by chilled being the next highest source of damage. winter's embrace definitely makes frost damage better than flame when you take it, but that by itself isn't really enough to take it over other lines if you're looking for raw damage output. its just theme.

Yeah I was talking about the elements in a vacuum. Comparatively, I'm pretty confident flame with Ardent Flame passives outperforms frost with Winter's Embrace passives. Shock is just ass because they refuse to make Storm Calling functional for elemental builds lol

Agreed. Ardent is a good line regardless that can stand on its own. Winters and Storm Calling don't have that luxury.

madmufffin · July 24

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Frost damage is just objectively worse than flame damage too since the proc is meh without the warden passives.

part of this is due to engulfing flames and to a much lesser extent, encratis's behemoth.

I think it's mainly because of burning. Almost never have Encratis anymore and Engulfing is hit or miss in being in comps.

burning is pretty strong for sure, but with glacial, chilled is definitely stronger. even on elementalist settups, molten whip is followed by chilled being the next highest source of damage. winter's embrace definitely makes frost damage better than flame when you take it, but that by itself isn't really enough to take it over other lines if you're looking for raw damage output. its just theme.

Yeah I was talking about the elements in a vacuum. Comparatively, I'm pretty confident flame with Ardent Flame passives outperforms frost with Winter's Embrace passives. Shock is just ass because they refuse to make Storm Calling functional for elemental builds lol

Agreed. Ardent is a good line regardless that can stand on its own. Winters and Storm Calling don't have that luxury.

Winter's and Storm Calling having only two slottable non-ult skills for damage and one of them being completely worthless for Storm Calling definitely leaves a lot to be desired between the elemental lines. Winter's at least has the excuse of being the class' tank line, whereas Storm Calling is in theory the Sorc dps line and still sucks

All elemental damage types not being on damage dealing scribing skills is also really stupid.

ESO_Nightingale · July 26

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Frost damage is just objectively worse than flame damage too since the proc is meh without the warden passives.

part of this is due to engulfing flames and to a much lesser extent, encratis's behemoth.

I think it's mainly because of burning. Almost never have Encratis anymore and Engulfing is hit or miss in being in comps.

burning is pretty strong for sure, but with glacial, chilled is definitely stronger. even on elementalist settups, molten whip is followed by chilled being the next highest source of damage. winter's embrace definitely makes frost damage better than flame when you take it, but that by itself isn't really enough to take it over other lines if you're looking for raw damage output. its just theme.

Yeah I was talking about the elements in a vacuum. Comparatively, I'm pretty confident flame with Ardent Flame passives outperforms frost with Winter's Embrace passives. Shock is just ass because they refuse to make Storm Calling functional for elemental builds lol

Agreed. Ardent is a good line regardless that can stand on its own. Winters and Storm Calling don't have that luxury.

Winter's and Storm Calling having only two slottable non-ult skills for damage and one of them being completely worthless for Storm Calling definitely leaves a lot to be desired between the elemental lines. Winter's at least has the excuse of being the class' tank line, whereas Storm Calling is in theory the Sorc dps line and still sucks All elemental damage types not being on damage dealing scribing skills is also really stupid.

im interested to see if they do anything if at all to these lines in the next patch. wont be any changes this patch. but hopefully they listen to the feedback that there should be a ton of changes made to class lines.

ZhuJiuyin · July 26

I think the biggest problem with frost damage (mainly Winter's Embrace) is the time. Its passive abilities are currently balanced. Unstable Wall of Elements 10 seconds, Elemental Blockade 15 seconds, Spear Shards 10 seconds, Liquid Lightning 15 seconds, but Winter's Embrace's Impaling Shards 12 seconds, Arctic Blast 2 seconds delay + 18 seconds duration, which makes it difficult to weave with many dots in PVE.
In addition, the two morph functions of Frost Cloak are too similar, maybe one of them can be redesigned into a damage version. The same is true for Frozen Gate, one of the morphs should be a more effective output ability.
For example: Expansive Frost Cloak is merged with Ice Fortress, and Expansive Frost Cloak is redesigned to "cause frost damage to enemies within 8 feet every two seconds for 20 seconds. Each successful damage to the target increases by 20 wd, up to 10 layers."

The same is true for Frozen Gate, which merges Frozen Device with Frozen Retreat and redesigns Frozen Device to "Summon an ancient portal, causing frost damage to the designated area and summoning a Frost Atronach for 30 seconds. The Frost Atronach attacks once every 2 seconds, causing frost damage to the fan within 7 feet in front."

madmufffin · July 26

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Frost damage is just objectively worse than flame damage too since the proc is meh without the warden passives.

part of this is due to engulfing flames and to a much lesser extent, encratis's behemoth.

I think it's mainly because of burning. Almost never have Encratis anymore and Engulfing is hit or miss in being in comps.

burning is pretty strong for sure, but with glacial, chilled is definitely stronger. even on elementalist settups, molten whip is followed by chilled being the next highest source of damage. winter's embrace definitely makes frost damage better than flame when you take it, but that by itself isn't really enough to take it over other lines if you're looking for raw damage output. its just theme.

Yeah I was talking about the elements in a vacuum. Comparatively, I'm pretty confident flame with Ardent Flame passives outperforms frost with Winter's Embrace passives. Shock is just ass because they refuse to make Storm Calling functional for elemental builds lol

Agreed. Ardent is a good line regardless that can stand on its own. Winters and Storm Calling don't have that luxury.

Winter's and Storm Calling having only two slottable non-ult skills for damage and one of them being completely worthless for Storm Calling definitely leaves a lot to be desired between the elemental lines. Winter's at least has the excuse of being the class' tank line, whereas Storm Calling is in theory the Sorc dps line and still sucks All elemental damage types not being on damage dealing scribing skills is also really stupid.

im interested to see if they do anything if at all to these lines in the next patch. wont be any changes this patch. but hopefully they listen to the feedback that there should be a ton of changes made to class lines.

You and several other have been crusading for a long time and we've yet to really see anything come from it. I won't hold my breath on it personally.

madmufffin · July 26

ZhuJiuyin wrote: »

I think the biggest problem with frost damage (mainly Winter's Embrace) is the time. Its passive abilities are currently balanced. Unstable Wall of Elements 10 seconds, Elemental Blockade 15 seconds, Spear Shards 10 seconds, Liquid Lightning 15 seconds, but Winter's Embrace's Impaling Shards 12 seconds, Arctic Blast 2 seconds delay + 18 seconds duration, which makes it difficult to weave with many dots in PVE.
In addition, the two morph functions of Frost Cloak are too similar, maybe one of them can be redesigned into a damage version. The same is true for Frozen Gate, one of the morphs should be a more effective output ability.
For example: Expansive Frost Cloak is merged with Ice Fortress, and Expansive Frost Cloak is redesigned to "cause frost damage to enemies within 8 feet every two seconds for 20 seconds. Each successful damage to the target increases by 20 wd, up to 10 layers."

The same is true for Frozen Gate, which merges Frozen Device with Frozen Retreat and redesigns Frozen Device to "Summon an ancient portal, causing frost damage to the designated area and summoning a Frost Atronach for 30 seconds. The Frost Atronach attacks once every 2 seconds, causing frost damage to the fan within 7 feet in front."

Yeah the whole line is just kind of weird. It's a tank line that they've invested a ton of time and energy into adding a dps component for but have done very little to enable the dps side of it with the line. Major prot being on both ult morphs, having winter's revenge be the only reliable damage source, and then having 3 skills thay just straight up don't do damage on cast with either morph is really weird. This mid year patch would've been the one I expected them to make a big change like that for, but it doesn't seem to be on the agenda.

madmufffin · July 26

It would also be nice if they could finally fix the Frostbite set. It's been broken for ages and has been pointed out pretty much every PTS patch for several years and we've yet to hear any communication on it.

YandereGirlfriend · July 26

madmufffin wrote: »

It would also be nice if they could finally fix the Frostbite set. It's been broken for ages and has been pointed out pretty much every PTS patch for several years and we've yet to hear any communication on it.

I haven't used the set basically since it released but if you could remind me what's wrong with it I would be much obliged!

madmufffin · July 27

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

It would also be nice if they could finally fix the Frostbite set. It's been broken for ages and has been pointed out pretty much every PTS patch for several years and we've yet to hear any communication on it.

I haven't used the set basically since it released but if you could remind me what's wrong with it I would be much obliged!

The 4% more damage against chilled enemies doesn't work
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/681201/frostbite-set-still-not-properly-applying-4-more-damage-to-chilled-enemies/p1?new=1

YandereGirlfriend · July 27

madmufffin wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

It would also be nice if they could finally fix the Frostbite set. It's been broken for ages and has been pointed out pretty much every PTS patch for several years and we've yet to hear any communication on it.

I haven't used the set basically since it released but if you could remind me what's wrong with it I would be much obliged!

The 4% more damage against chilled enemies doesn't work
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/681201/frostbite-set-still-not-properly-applying-4-more-damage-to-chilled-enemies/p1?new=1

Oof, that's a ridonkulous oversight!

madmufffin · July 27

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

It would also be nice if they could finally fix the Frostbite set. It's been broken for ages and has been pointed out pretty much every PTS patch for several years and we've yet to hear any communication on it.

I haven't used the set basically since it released but if you could remind me what's wrong with it I would be much obliged!

The 4% more damage against chilled enemies doesn't work
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/681201/frostbite-set-still-not-properly-applying-4-more-damage-to-chilled-enemies/p1?new=1

Oof, that's a ridonkulous oversight!

Been that way for a while, and I'm pretty sure I myself have now made more than one posts about it.

ESO_Nightingale · July 27

madmufffin wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

It would also be nice if they could finally fix the Frostbite set. It's been broken for ages and has been pointed out pretty much every PTS patch for several years and we've yet to hear any communication on it.

I haven't used the set basically since it released but if you could remind me what's wrong with it I would be much obliged!

The 4% more damage against chilled enemies doesn't work
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/681201/frostbite-set-still-not-properly-applying-4-more-damage-to-chilled-enemies/p1?new=1

Oof, that's a ridonkulous oversight!

Been that way for a while, and I'm pretty sure I myself have now made more than one posts about it.

Its been shared in the content creators discord with zos according to @skinnycheeks all we can do is keep reporting it and wait.