As its been said the material something is made out of makes a difference. Metal, Cloth Leather etc. As you said Dwemer style shoulder heavy (metal) should be the same material as a dwemer style axes (also metal) so why are they not identical? Remove the lighting of the game and they will be. Directional lighting is a real thing that impacts the exact color you see on your items.

I use Transliminal Violet on alot of my items and it probably is easily one of the most aggressively color changing options to choose from and just literally rotating my camera inches will change hues and colors I see from golds, to blacks, to the actual color it is purple. Which I'm sure there is some really smart person that built the systems I'm referring to that can go into much greater detail about this but generally speaking I think its a combination of 1 the material itself and 2 lighting / shadowing.

Some dyes (ie. Frozen blood, translimnal violet, or any of the deconstruction dyes) are multi-toned, and appear differently depending on what you are dying. Frozen blood on metal is one of the nicest silvers, but on some clothing it's more of a red.

Are you using multiple outfits?

I've noticed the Soucleaver mask inherits a different color channel than what is actually shown when using my second outfit slot. Looks ok on the first outfit slot, matching the selected dye, but gets weird on the second outfit slot.

I was able to finagle it at one point by equipping some other helmet with a different color channel and changing it there and swapping it back, but cannot for the life of me remember which helmet it was that I noticed that issue on. Kinda annoyed since I did pay crowns for that second outfit slot.

Issue is there's multiple leathers, metals etc. and they keep adding those up instead of sticking to some more universal material mesh or some other ways of actually making it more or less consistent.

The background materials are different. Think silk, steel and course fabric. They would handle colors who includes how shiny they are, the higher grades colors are much more shiny then the lower on the top as in common.
But this interact with the base material so metal armor would always be more shiny than leather.
You also has the base material color who can mess think up more.

Desiato wrote: »

They look different on different materials. Further, many dyes aren't one color, but mulltiple and sometimes a gradient which will have interesting interactions with shaders.

It's sort of offers a higher skill cap for outfits and rewards those who put time into coming up with something unique.

On the other hand it makes quite a lot of pieces unusable between each other due to lack of even closely similar dyeing options. Having all the dyes that game has to offer definitely helps a bit but there are still a lot of outliers that are matching by style and form, but lacks colouring cohesion.

Desiato wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

They look different on different materials. Further, many dyes aren't one color, but mulltiple and sometimes a gradient which will have interesting interactions with shaders.

It's sort of offers a higher skill cap for outfits and rewards those who put time into coming up with something unique.

On the other hand it makes quite a lot of pieces unusable between each other due to lack of even closely similar dyeing options. Having all the dyes that game has to offer definitely helps a bit but there are still a lot of outliers that are matching by style and form, but lacks colouring cohesion.

But that's fair, no? Not all materials match in rl, either. And to some degree, it can be resolved by building a larger palette of colours.

It's funny how this is a microcosm of all issues in ESO. We could make it easier and more general, but that would reduce creativity and diversity. Some of my best outfits have come from struggling to find a way to make disparate pieces work together.

I don't expect this to change because doing so would break so many outfits players have worked hard on. And really, I think almost everyone would be disappointed if they actually had to live with the result, even as frustrating as it is in the moment when we can't make two pieces work together.

Fairness depends on goals of the system. It's kinda funny thinking about as entirely different subset of gameplay where you can "git gud" and have opponents etc. and it kinda, subtle is like that for some but I doubt that messy meshes, seams etc. are really intentional. Some pieces for sure, but many have issues with colouring and their mesh being too glossy or absorbing colours too unnaturally to be intentional, I'm hinting at that part, not just unification of having 1 leather, one metal etc., at least fixing mistakes can go a long way.

And yes, they're not gonna retroactively mess with people's outfits until it's a bigger visual rework that would be considered an overall win rather than messing with something people worked around for years.

Can anyone actually tell the difference between viridian venom and black??

Part of me wishes it was more consistent. Another part of me kind of likes the way it forces people to be creative. I mean most people are still just doing all black everything but at least there's more variety in ESO than in some other games that I have played. So, there's that.

This is probably one of the most annoying parts of the game, I love creating new outfits and there's nothing more frustrating than finding your dream combination of motifs just to realise that the dyes won't match at all.

And then we all try to find another dye that might look similar to the rest just for that specific part of the outfit, like having to use a darker gold dye on a specific shoulder because for some reason it looks much lighter even when using the same dye on all the other parts. Most of the time however it still won't match the colour and the outfit is ruined.

I think they should continue to make more dyes that are consistent, since we have so many that are still inconsistent. They clearly have a way to change the color dye based on material, so they can just adjust the tone on each material to be the same if they edit all the variables.

Just give us a few more consistent colors and we would be happy. The dye selection to me, has always been lacking.

Preferably they should just let us edit our clothes using a hue picker, but then how would they make people play for more time to chase achievements right?

darkriketz wrote: »

I really don't see the problem with dyes and hues. Metal, cloth, leather wood and other materials (chainmail...) react differently to lighting and to colour, it adds more realism to the game that they do so in the game too.

OK, it can be frustrating cause sometimes you're building an outfit and you can't have the exact piece of gear you want the exact colour you want, but I'd rather have that than bright flashy colours. TESO is a fantasy game, not a science fiction or a comic book one (breaking news, comic book imagery isn't "mature and serious Zack Snyder style", it's more James Gunn style), it's not supposed to be kitsch (or at least I don't think it should) and it's not Star Wars.

And to be honest it can add some aesthetic value to have some outfit using the same colour but with slight differences depending on the fabric, because I think that most available dyes in TESO aren't a different shade, but a dull one. It's like the colour has been washed away and lost its actual shade.

I really don't get your argument. Even LotR has vibrant color schemes at times(although not bright, by technicality, but sometimes there are), and that is essentially pure fantasy. Also I don't get what you mean by kitsch, "poor quality" is absolutely no way to describe a dyeing system with a big selection of wacky colors.

And we already have stuff thats wacky anyways, like literal chowder(the cartoon) space mounts, chowder space weapon styles, alduin recalls that are bright and flashy. Hell we have neon green mounts, not to mention we already have psycho color dyes like stahlrim chrome and lucentshard azurite, we have anequina sunrise, etc.

But we also have red dyes that look like crayons on multiple styles.

I would agree more with the inconsistencies if those made sense, but they don't. Each motif introduces different parameters for each dye separate for the materials as well, and I think that is a problem that should be fixed. If i dye a cloth portion a nice telvanni brown and it comes out matte, but then i dye cloth on another motif the same and it doesnt match the tint or tone, OR the shinyness, then I feel like that is an issue that should be addressed and fixed.