surely you guys dont know about the real elephant in the room:


trapping webs


its a vicious skill. not many know about how truely scary it's pitiful damage and radius is. that needs to be nerfed asap. i'm sure it's useful in 1 very specific instance of the game that is outside of zos's set parameters so it'll get obliterated soon.

Even without Assassination, Fatecarver / Herald of the Tome has always been ridiculous.

Lmao true, so instead of nerfing beam, just kill the Arcanist's ability to engage with Subclassing or use Weapon skills by gutting the class mastery script on banner.

imaslowlearner wrote: »

PvP just needs to be permanently be made into vengeance

This would fix all of the balancing issues, and we get that cool sky all the time

Vengeance is horrible, not a single actual pvper liked it, if it's going to be the case then pvp is dead

Prionyx wrote: »

imaslowlearner wrote: »

PvP just needs to be permanently be made into vengeance

This would fix all of the balancing issues, and we get that cool sky all the time

Vengeance is horrible, not a single actual pvper liked it, if it's going to be the case then pvp is dead

so as a pvp main i actually did quite like it. sure it needs some tweaking but it wasn't a bad experience.

They can't balance both PvE and PvP without upsetting one side, but PvPers in general are never happy regardless

Vengeance solved the ball group problem and they still weren't happy

They would have an easier time balancing PvP in Vengeance with the different skills and no sub classing which they may or may not add later.

I don't even think they should add sets back to Vengeance since it was nice having everyone able to do damage and it just came down to the most important factor of open world pvp bigger zerg wins

Send the sweaty PvPers to battlegrounds where they belong, then that would also solve the people complaining about bg queue times since it would increase the amount of people queuing (should have random bg queue be different from the sweat queue because most people who do random bgs are running around naked light attacking the air just trying to get their daily done, could even make the random queue a vengeance inspired mode where you just give them a template character to play)

Prionyx wrote: »

The_Meathead wrote: »

I think there's a second elephant with Assassination.

It got bigger in PvP instead of smaller with the U47 change.

There are no such outliers in PVP but if anything animal companions is close to it, not restoring light, storm calling or assassination. Gravelord is a close second tho

This is the cold hard truth

Raise the bar and buff everything to animal's level.

imaslowlearner wrote: »

They can't balance both PvE and PvP without upsetting one side, but PvPers in general are never happy regardless

Vengeance solved the ball group problem and they still weren't happy

They would have an easier time balancing PvP in Vengeance with the different skills and no sub classing which they may or may not add later.

I don't even think they should add sets back to Vengeance since it was nice having everyone able to do damage and it just came down to the most important factor of open world pvp bigger zerg wins

Send the sweaty PvPers to battlegrounds where they belong, then that would also solve the people complaining about bg queue times since it would increase the amount of people queuing (should have random bg queue be different from the sweat queue because most people who do random bgs are running around naked light attacking the air just trying to get their daily done, could even make the random queue a vengeance inspired mode where you just give them a template character to play)

Unfortunately, I feel this is exactly what they're trying to do, and it's one of the reasons why many "sweaty" players are leaving the game.

People aren't happy with Vengeance because it feels like playing a slower version of ESO, without theorycrafting. Even if it performs better, it's ultimately a watered-down open world PvP experience. That said, Vengeance is still in its early stages, and improvements are still possible.

As for battlegrounds, the term "sweaty" is too vague. A proper MMR system based on many factors that are not based on medals (perma blocking Pariah cro on flags farming points, doesn't mean a good MMR player) is needed.
Also, the idea that sweaty PvPers "belong in BGs" is inaccurate. Many competitive players actually prefer IC or Cyrodiil over battlegrounds.

Back to the original topic, there are still several elephants in the room. The Assassination skill line, for example, is a must-have in PvE and extremely strong in PvP. Followed by skill lines, for PVP, such as Animal Companion, Grave Lord, and Restoring Light.

Fatecarver is another problem, too easy to use, pairs too well with strong sets, scales efficiently with Crux (which is also easy to build atm), and yet in PvP it often doesn’t hit properly or connect at all. It likely needs tuning, but nerfing it too much could make it not even worth to try it in PvP. Most hardcore "sweaty" will tell you that any ability that has a cast time and can be interrupted is not an optimal pick in PvP.
Still, I support the idea of nerfing the overall Fatecarver DPS, so either by reducing the damage or reducing the generation of crux (ex. limiting banner)

JustLovely wrote: »

Prionyx wrote: »

imaslowlearner wrote: »

PvP just needs to be permanently be made into vengeance

This would fix all of the balancing issues, and we get that cool sky all the time

Vengeance is horrible, not a single actual pvper liked it, if it's going to be the case then pvp is dead

This was/is my impression as well. I don't know anyone who likes vengeance mode. We just want our circa 2018 cyrodiil back.

I don't know what you played 2018, but surely not Cyro.
My Memory of Cyro 2018:
24 Groups (yeah)
Try to enter a Castle under Siege from the Backdoor to defend: 2-5 Minute Loadscreen - You're dead, Castle is turned.
Resurrect on a Tent: 2-5 Minute Loadscreen - 75% You're dead
Resurrect in the Base: 2-5 Minute Loadscreen - But You're not dead
Loadscreens left and right when you on you're way to the next Fight.
FPS < 5 in a bigger Fight and you're pressing Keys hoping something happens.

and so on.

Normally I doesn't play any PvP anymore, but Vengeance have sparked my Interrest again.

Iriidius wrote: »

Prionyx wrote: »

imaslowlearner wrote: »

PvP just needs to be permanently be made into vengeance

This would fix all of the balancing issues, and we get that cool sky all the time

Vengeance is horrible, not a single actual pvper liked it, if it's going to be the case then pvp is dead

Probably because every pvper liking Vengeance is not recogniced as a pvper anymore automatically loosing all his skills and becoming a pve zergling (even when fighting outnumbered).

Yes