but they are mostly evil and don't do anyting goodWell, I mean, the base game main quest… ahah. Aedra do not have as much direct influence over Nirn these days because they’re increasingly getting weaker while the Daedra are not. There are Aedric “minions” I guess, such as Akatosh’ dragons, but I don’t know of very many.
Lucasalex92 wrote: »but they are mostly evil and don't do anyting goodWell, I mean, the base game main quest… ahah. Aedra do not have as much direct influence over Nirn these days because they’re increasingly getting weaker while the Daedra are not. There are Aedric “minions” I guess, such as Akatosh’ dragons, but I don’t know of very many.
i mean some good being, how come they getting weaker ? can't they recover ?
No, they lost that power when it was used to create Mundus.Lucasalex92 wrote: »So will we be ever getting Quests/Skills where Aedra show them self to use or use some of their power to help us ?
Lucasalex92 wrote: »i thought creating nirn only took part of their power and thats it...
also not all Aedra - though i don''t know if Rhajin and Talos are considered as Aedra are in full power no ?
or Sithis and Padame ?
Lucasalex92 wrote: »i thought creating nirn only took part of their power and thats it...
also not all Aedra - though i don''t know if Rhajin and Talos are considered as Aedra are in full power no ?
or Sithis and Padame ?
Lucasalex92 wrote: »i thought creating nirn only took part of their power and thats it...
also not all Aedra - though i don''t know if Rhajin and Talos are considered as Aedra are in full power no ?
or Sithis and Padame ?
As I understand it, Nirn is continuously sucking their power away. There are more types of gods than Daedra and Aedra. Aedra does not simply mean “good gods”, it’s specifically the gods that sacrificed themselves to create Nirn. Please note that I’m not an expert on TES cosmology but below are my understanding on the gods off the top of my head. Others may correct me or you can look on UESP.
The Godhead - the largest, most powerful god. It is said that all of the elder scrolls lore happens in The Godhead’s dream. People argue over The Godhead exists, if its an in-universe creature, or even if its a reference to ourselves as TES cannot live on without us.
Anu & Padomay - the primordial beings of creation and destruction, light and void, their intersection is the Grey Maybe, where Mundus and all the planets and realms exist.
The et’ada - The gods. This encompasses Anuiel & Sithis, Auri-El & Lorkhan, Daedric Princes & Aedra, Magnus & Magna-Ge, Daedric Lords, The Earthbones, and the Elnofey.
Anuiel & Sithis - to know themselves, Anu and Padomay created offspring. Still primordial, but generally seen as more personified.
Auri-El & Lorkhan - the next step down from Anuiel and Sithis, they had more present form. These gods are not pure Anu nor Padomay. Auri-El (Akatosh) is both Anuic and Padomaic and while Lorkhan is Padomaic, he is the cause of the creation of Nirn. These two are where Aedra start and primordial beings end. Akatosh/Auri-El is an Aedra. Lorkhan is generally not referred to but categorically would be an Aedra as he is an ancestor.
Aedra - any other major et’ada that took part in Nirn’s creation, though they are generally Anuic. They are also considered the Divines. Talos is categorically not an Aedra but he is a Divine (the gods that Cyrodiil would consider to be good). Also note that different cultures have different names and understandings of the various gods. The Aedra exist as planets around Nirn. I believe if you go to Fargrave and look up you can see them, though I’m not sure why they’re visible from Fargrave.
Daedric Princes & Magnus - Magnus is akin to an Aedra in power and helped create the plans for Nirn (theres a theory that the Elder Scrolls are actually his artifacts), but instead of giving his power, he ran away from Nirn. The hole he ripped through the Mundus is the sun and the source of magic inflow to Nirn.
Daedric princes come from various sources but none helped create Nirn. They are generally Padomaic, but a lot also have weird origins. Like Meridia and Ithelia are Magna-Ge who converted into Daedric Princes. Malacath’s origin mythology is that he was Trinimac (in some cultures worshipped as an Aedra) who was eaten by Boethiah and came out as a Daedric Prince. Daedric Princes have locations just like Aedra but instead of planets, they’re considered to be realms. Daedric Princes are bound by their spheres of influence and act alongside their inherent nature.
Magna-Ge, Demiprinces, and Demigods - Magna-Ge are the offspring of Magnus. They also exited Mundus and their exit holes are the stars. There are a few Magna-Ge that are more important than the rest, one of which was Merid-Nunda (who became Meridia).
Demiprinces are created by a Daedric Prince, either by themselves (asexual reproduction) or with a mortal. Fa-Nuit-Hen is a Demiprince (Boethiah as a sole parent) and it’s strongly suggested that The Golden Knight is one as well (Meridia as mother, mortal father).
Demigods are created by the Aedra. A notable one is Morihaus, the Bull-Man of Kyne. Pelinal Whitestrake may be considered a demigod but he is also a cyborg (not really alive, more just a structure built by the Aedra).
Daedra Lords - I don’t know a lot about them but they’re like minor Daedric Princes. Like Hollowjack.
Daedra - While different Princes “own” different Daedra species, they did not really create them. Atronachs are also Daedra and they have their own realms.
The Earthbones & The Elnofey - Minor gods that for the most part no longer exist. The Earthbones became the land of Nirn and The Elnofey became Nirn’s people.
Mannimarco - He, like Talos, ascended and became a planet(ish… Mannimarco became a moon), but he’s not an Aedra he’s just a mortal-turned-god.
The Towers - Not gods but very powerful. They are inanimate objects that hold up the sky, in a sense. The Graht-Oak in Elden Root is one such Tower. Walk-Brass, also known as Numidium, is a Tower that Talos and Mannimarco both used in their ascension.
Dragons - Like I said earlier in the thread, they’re the offspring of Akatosh.
The False Gods / Tribunal - These three used Tools created by the Dwemer on Lorkhan’s heart (Auri-El shot Lorkhan’s heart across Nirn, it landed and created Red Mountain (the volcano in the center of vvardenfell)). Dagoth Ur was also affected by this Heart.
CHIM - Legend has it Molag Bal taught Vivec how to CHIM. CHIMming is the process in which you realize the world you live in is dreamed by the Godhead but you convince yourself that you’re real anyways. This allows you to manipulate The Dream, as long as you do so subtly, or else the Godhead will wake up and reality ends.
Lucasalex92 wrote: »Lucasalex92 wrote: »i thought creating nirn only took part of their power and thats it...
also not all Aedra - though i don''t know if Rhajin and Talos are considered as Aedra are in full power no ?
or Sithis and Padame ?
As I understand it, Nirn is continuously sucking their power away. There are more types of gods than Daedra and Aedra. Aedra does not simply mean “good gods”, it’s specifically the gods that sacrificed themselves to create Nirn. Please note that I’m not an expert on TES cosmology but below are my understanding on the gods off the top of my head. Others may correct me or you can look on UESP.
The Godhead - the largest, most powerful god. It is said that all of the elder scrolls lore happens in The Godhead’s dream. People argue over The Godhead exists, if its an in-universe creature, or even if its a reference to ourselves as TES cannot live on without us.
Anu & Padomay - the primordial beings of creation and destruction, light and void, their intersection is the Grey Maybe, where Mundus and all the planets and realms exist.
The et’ada - The gods. This encompasses Anuiel & Sithis, Auri-El & Lorkhan, Daedric Princes & Aedra, Magnus & Magna-Ge, Daedric Lords, The Earthbones, and the Elnofey.
Anuiel & Sithis - to know themselves, Anu and Padomay created offspring. Still primordial, but generally seen as more personified.
Auri-El & Lorkhan - the next step down from Anuiel and Sithis, they had more present form. These gods are not pure Anu nor Padomay. Auri-El (Akatosh) is both Anuic and Padomaic and while Lorkhan is Padomaic, he is the cause of the creation of Nirn. These two are where Aedra start and primordial beings end. Akatosh/Auri-El is an Aedra. Lorkhan is generally not referred to but categorically would be an Aedra as he is an ancestor.
Aedra - any other major et’ada that took part in Nirn’s creation, though they are generally Anuic. They are also considered the Divines. Talos is categorically not an Aedra but he is a Divine (the gods that Cyrodiil would consider to be good). Also note that different cultures have different names and understandings of the various gods. The Aedra exist as planets around Nirn. I believe if you go to Fargrave and look up you can see them, though I’m not sure why they’re visible from Fargrave.
Daedric Princes & Magnus - Magnus is akin to an Aedra in power and helped create the plans for Nirn (theres a theory that the Elder Scrolls are actually his artifacts), but instead of giving his power, he ran away from Nirn. The hole he ripped through the Mundus is the sun and the source of magic inflow to Nirn.
Daedric princes come from various sources but none helped create Nirn. They are generally Padomaic, but a lot also have weird origins. Like Meridia and Ithelia are Magna-Ge who converted into Daedric Princes. Malacath’s origin mythology is that he was Trinimac (in some cultures worshipped as an Aedra) who was eaten by Boethiah and came out as a Daedric Prince. Daedric Princes have locations just like Aedra but instead of planets, they’re considered to be realms. Daedric Princes are bound by their spheres of influence and act alongside their inherent nature.
Magna-Ge, Demiprinces, and Demigods - Magna-Ge are the offspring of Magnus. They also exited Mundus and their exit holes are the stars. There are a few Magna-Ge that are more important than the rest, one of which was Merid-Nunda (who became Meridia).
Demiprinces are created by a Daedric Prince, either by themselves (asexual reproduction) or with a mortal. Fa-Nuit-Hen is a Demiprince (Boethiah as a sole parent) and it’s strongly suggested that The Golden Knight is one as well (Meridia as mother, mortal father).
Demigods are created by the Aedra. A notable one is Morihaus, the Bull-Man of Kyne. Pelinal Whitestrake may be considered a demigod but he is also a cyborg (not really alive, more just a structure built by the Aedra).
Daedra Lords - I don’t know a lot about them but they’re like minor Daedric Princes. Like Hollowjack.
Daedra - While different Princes “own” different Daedra species, they did not really create them. Atronachs are also Daedra and they have their own realms.
The Earthbones & The Elnofey - Minor gods that for the most part no longer exist. The Earthbones became the land of Nirn and The Elnofey became Nirn’s people.
Mannimarco - He, like Talos, ascended and became a planet(ish… Mannimarco became a moon), but he’s not an Aedra he’s just a mortal-turned-god.
The Towers - Not gods but very powerful. They are inanimate objects that hold up the sky, in a sense. The Graht-Oak in Elden Root is one such Tower. Walk-Brass, also known as Numidium, is a Tower that Talos and Mannimarco both used in their ascension.
Dragons - Like I said earlier in the thread, they’re the offspring of Akatosh.
The False Gods / Tribunal - These three used Tools created by the Dwemer on Lorkhan’s heart (Auri-El shot Lorkhan’s heart across Nirn, it landed and created Red Mountain (the volcano in the center of vvardenfell)). Dagoth Ur was also affected by this Heart.
CHIM - Legend has it Molag Bal taught Vivec how to CHIM. CHIMming is the process in which you realize the world you live in is dreamed by the Godhead but you convince yourself that you’re real anyways. This allows you to manipulate The Dream, as long as you do so subtly, or else the Godhead will wake up and reality ends.
so that Mean Y'free is The Earthbones & The Elnofey ?
How about the Creatures in Scholarium like Indric etc ? are they gods too ?
and Lynaryth ?
so i wonder what powers are of Talos then ?
and how about Hist ? is it a god ? since it allow all argonians to see oblivion crisi ahead and where gates open ?