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My critiques on Chaosball
I think chaos ball has potential to be a fun game but I have some critiques:
1. I swear that at least 50% (and it feels like way more) of my games are Chaos Ball. My friends agree too. We see way less, TDM, CTR, Domination, Crazy King. Is ZOS sure that there is an even rotation of games?
2. People need to be more incentivized to grab the ball. The direction with the transformations was good, but more often then not, you just die as soon as someone sees you. If feels good when you have a good healer and you can brawl for a bit in the transformations, but if that's not the case, you just get focused down to quickly. There needs to be a bit more self healing in the kits of the transformations. Maybe they can start recording data on the ball holding duration metric and try to get that average higher. No one wants to grab a ball when they know they will just die without getting many points on the board. This causes Chaos Ball to drag out for way longer than it should cuz no one grabs the ball.
3. The balls should tick for more points. Chaos ball games tend to be too long with no strategy really. Everyone is just TDMing. Maybe if point 2 is addressed, this issue will fix itself, but worth mentioning.
1. I swear that at least 50% (and it feels like way more) of my games are Chaos Ball. My friends agree too. We see way less, TDM, CTR, Domination, Crazy King. Is ZOS sure that there is an even rotation of games?
2. People need to be more incentivized to grab the ball. The direction with the transformations was good, but more often then not, you just die as soon as someone sees you. If feels good when you have a good healer and you can brawl for a bit in the transformations, but if that's not the case, you just get focused down to quickly. There needs to be a bit more self healing in the kits of the transformations. Maybe they can start recording data on the ball holding duration metric and try to get that average higher. No one wants to grab a ball when they know they will just die without getting many points on the board. This causes Chaos Ball to drag out for way longer than it should cuz no one grabs the ball.
3. The balls should tick for more points. Chaos ball games tend to be too long with no strategy really. Everyone is just TDMing. Maybe if point 2 is addressed, this issue will fix itself, but worth mentioning.
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✭✭Agreed, the transformations suck when you are in a PUG Chaosball. Usually die a LOT faster than just playing your toon. It would be better if the actual skill icons said what they are, I have not played a werewolf so have no idea what the skills do. I play vamp on many toons so it's not so bad but still not great.0 -
cuddles_with_wroble✭✭✭✭✭SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »I think chaos ball has potential to be a fun game but I have some critiques:
1. I swear that at least 50% (and it feels like way more) of my games are Chaos Ball. My friends agree too. We see way less, TDM, CTR, Domination, Crazy King. Is ZOS sure that there is an even rotation of games?
2. People need to be more incentivized to grab the ball. The direction with the transformations was good, but more often then not, you just die as soon as someone sees you. If feels good when you have a good healer and you can brawl for a bit in the transformations, but if that's not the case, you just get focused down to quickly. There needs to be a bit more self healing in the kits of the transformations. Maybe they can start recording data on the ball holding duration metric and try to get that average higher. No one wants to grab a ball when they know they will just die without getting many points on the board. This causes Chaos Ball to drag out for way longer than it should cuz no one grabs the ball.
3. The balls should tick for more points. Chaos ball games tend to be too long with no strategy really. Everyone is just TDMing. Maybe if point 2 is addressed, this issue will fix itself, but worth mentioning.
This game mode is fundamentally flawed and whichever team has more cross healing will almost always win.
Most people just TDM bcs it’s so easy to chain kill the ball holders and stall the game till time runs out.
There is no strategy for chaos ball other than having a good healer or just tons of cross healing, build like a tank, hold block and let people heal you and you’ll win 9/10 chaos ball matches2 -
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cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »I think chaos ball has potential to be a fun game but I have some critiques:
1. I swear that at least 50% (and it feels like way more) of my games are Chaos Ball. My friends agree too. We see way less, TDM, CTR, Domination, Crazy King. Is ZOS sure that there is an even rotation of games?
2. People need to be more incentivized to grab the ball. The direction with the transformations was good, but more often then not, you just die as soon as someone sees you. If feels good when you have a good healer and you can brawl for a bit in the transformations, but if that's not the case, you just get focused down to quickly. There needs to be a bit more self healing in the kits of the transformations. Maybe they can start recording data on the ball holding duration metric and try to get that average higher. No one wants to grab a ball when they know they will just die without getting many points on the board. This causes Chaos Ball to drag out for way longer than it should cuz no one grabs the ball.
3. The balls should tick for more points. Chaos ball games tend to be too long with no strategy really. Everyone is just TDMing. Maybe if point 2 is addressed, this issue will fix itself, but worth mentioning.
This game mode is fundamentally flawed and whichever team has more cross healing will almost always win.
Most people just TDM bcs it’s so easy to chain kill the ball holders and stall the game till time runs out.
There is no strategy for chaos ball other than having a good healer or just tons of cross healing, build like a tank, hold block and let people heal you and you’ll win 9/10 chaos ball matches
Yeah it definitely needs work. That's why I think building more self healing into the kits of the transformations would help teams that don't have a healer. But it could have the inverse effect as well and make the healer team even more healy.
It would be nice if they started adding comeback mechanics to bgs, to help a little bit with the complete stomp games.0 -
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✭✭I do not like the werewolf and vampire mechanics. I always try to get the vanilla ball and focus on holding that.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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I do not like the werewolf and vampire mechanics. I always try to get the vanilla ball and focus on holding that.
Exactly, and I see that throughout my Chaos Ball experiences. People make their builds for BGs to play their builds, so if they have to give that up, it should really be worth it.
I have personally had instances where it was fun in the transformations, but only if I had an adequate healer. So i think there is a way to make them fun, but you have too feel powerful in them. You have to be incentivized to grab that transformation. Not actively avoiding it.Edited by SundarahFr3akinrican on 29 May 2025 15:251 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The transformation Chaosballs are terrible for me. I don’t know what the skills do, and there seems to be no way to get my health back up.
Khajiit Stamblade main
Dark Elf Magsorc
Redguard Stamina Dragonknight
Orc Stamplar PVP
Breton Magsorc PVP
Dark Elf Magden
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katanagirl1 wrote: »The transformation Chaosballs are terrible for me. I don’t know what the skills do, and there seems to be no way to get my health back up.
Yeah the health starts ticking so fast that you dont have the time to stop and read the abilities.
The vampire has an ability that stops all other healing besides your own, which i know kills a lot of people that dont realize theyve used it. The heal is also the drain health from the vamp skill line, so it only heals a percentage of your missing health. So it wont heal you to full ever.
The werewold has a heal that only heals if you do damage to people, and then its on a long cooldown. So there is no way to sustain on your own.
They did hit their mark on making them powerful enough. They need to be strong enough for people to want to grab them.
There should also be somewhere in game where you can look at these skills. So you have time to digest them.0
