Is it true you can get banned by AI in zone chat?

Lugaldu · May 22

My biggest problem with the whole thing is that I'm more and more afraid to even write anything in a whispered private chat.

As Syldras already wrote, sometimes words in our native language are censored as "bad words," and we have to search the internet to find out why. And sometimes we don't even find out. On top of that, the censorship of several words in a row that apparently form a "bad word" in English seems even more absurd to me, to be honest. It makes you afraid that you might get banned for using "bad words" if you tell your friend what you had for lunch.

spartaxoxo · May 22

Soarora wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

To British people, the word refers to cigarettes. To Americans, it’s a slur against gay people. But also at least some gay people have reclaimed the word.

In theory, everyone can insult themselves how ever they want, it's no one else's business. I see doing it publicly critically, though, for 2 reasons: Everyone could throw around the crassest slurs for "fun" and then just claim it's okay because they belong to that group, which in some cases can't be proven or disproven easily. Bystanders who are confronted with these words as insults regularly might not find hearing them to be empowering at all.

Private conversation, of course, is something different, but then the only thing that matters is consent anyway, no matter what topics are discussed, themes roleplayed, or swear words used.

Anyway, I generally don't think there should be some auto-report function in general. If something comes across as insulting or inappropriate, people can just report it. I'd rather see a focus on reacting on these reports in a reasonable way.

Agreed. If someone has a problem with a word being used they can talk to the person and/or report it. It does not need to be auto-flagged because in group, zone (in a house), dm, guild, etc. channels there very well could be a cultural or personal understanding between people where certain words are completely fine.
In overland zone chat, people should be more careful of what they say, but in those channels people are more likely to report anyways.

Having AI handle these things honestly may put certain demographics of people at greater risks even though the AI is attempting is protect them from hate speech for precisely this reason.

zaria · May 22

Soarora wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

There have been numerous cases of people getting banned in private chats too.

A famous case involved someone in a trial group chat using a crude term to joking describe some glowing spheres that appear in vSO hard mode and got banned even though it was in a group chat and no one complained.

In another case in Cyrodill some typed 'Flag' to instruct players to go to the flag but accidentally hit the semicolon instead of the letter l and got autobanned.

That is the problem with F:ag? Some sort of weird code?

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

There have been numerous cases of people getting banned in private chats too.

A famous case involved someone in a trial group chat using a crude term to joking describe some glowing spheres that appear in vSO hard mode and got banned even though it was in a group chat and no one complained.

In another case in Cyrodill some typed 'Flag' to instruct players to go to the flag but accidentally hit the semicolon instead of the letter l and got autobanned.

What is the issue with 'Flag' where l is replaced by : ?
To me the resulting word sounds like nonsense, will not type it here as you did not so it sounds dangerous somehow.

To British people, the word refers to cigarettes. To Americans, it’s a slur against gay people. But also at least some gay people have reclaimed the word.
See, these nuances are not going to be picked up by AI. If it’s in dms and, for example, someone I know is gay says that word in reference to themselves then they’re well within their rights to…

Understand, well I typed it here on forum and nothing happened.

And I assume forum has stricter rules than the game, as its stored and searchable while the game chat is temporary and fast so you get lots of spelling errors while forum has spelling control, yes that is client side but help

Elsonso · May 22

Lugaldu wrote: »

My biggest problem with the whole thing is that I'm more and more afraid to even write anything in a whispered private chat.

As Syldras already wrote, sometimes words in our native language are censored as "bad words," and we have to search the internet to find out why. And sometimes we don't even find out. On top of that, the censorship of several words in a row that apparently form a "bad word" in English seems even more absurd to me, to be honest. It makes you afraid that you might get banned for using "bad words" if you tell your friend what you had for lunch.

I see this as a valid concern. It is extra work to check a language context, and then one has to ask whether the player is abusing a foreign language in order to sneak something past. Taking a scorched earth approach, as is often seen, lets the appeals process figure it out, if the player decides to appeal. I am sure some players just toss in the towel and move onto other pastures, whether the accusation was correct or not.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Or fired for telling off their boss.

Someday, I want to try that just to see if it works as advertised.