Different approach to furnishing limits

Smoky · May 4

So I know there has been plenty of threads discussing the limits, one thing I don't understand is I thought PC/PSN/XBOX were all on separate servers hence no cross play or account switching anymore so surely the comment complaint I see of console users on old gen machines holding back the rest wouldn't be an issue or have I missed something?

I play on PS5 (would switch to PC happily if I could transfer but back in the early days my mates were on PSN so I chose that when starting out in 2015) but have a good PC and generally on PC you have a lot more options in games so could they not allow users on PC to select a limit (upto a max limit of course but higher than now) based on their PC. If you enter a home with more items then the limit you set it gives you a warning and the option to continue or leave, the same could be done but in a more fixed way on console with newer gen having higher limits and warnings of it for old gen. Maybe its an unpopular idea as old gen console and lesser PC's wouldn't be able to view some homes but I thought I'd throw it out there.

freespirit · May 4

I always wonder whether just removing the categories would be a good starting point to test what happens.

I pretty much never use the full number of dungeon trophies but would love to use those allocated spaces for other items!

If they cannot even allow us the choice to say add more guests/pets/mounts you have to wonder what is the real root cause for these limits!

They try to sell us more and more of these items but we cannot place hardly any in our homes, seems counter intuitive to me.

I feel it is likely something more than just older machines.

Btw didn't vote as non of the options seemed right for me, my PC is probably heading pretty fast into the "potato" category!!

Smoky · May 4

Good idea

@freespirit Yes that would be a nice option to add as well I agree, some flexibility in how the limit is used would be great . As a matter of interest what option could I have put in the poll for you to vote?

Soarora · May 4

I like the idea, I just don’t know how exactly it’d work. I think an alternative idea is to add load screens in houses but let inside and outside have different limits (downside is that you can’t have pets/people walk through doors then). Or despawn items when they’re out of view or something.

Heren · May 4

I don't think it would be a good move from ZOS, to promote that kind of discrimination based on what hardware you have despite the official minimum requirements accross all plate-formes. If they say you can play on a system but then they impose restrictions, it's a bit contradictory ( and maybe illegal ? I don't know if the official minimum requirements are more than an advice <shrug> ).

So while I understand the idea, and it could be an interesting one, unless they upgrade the minimum requirements ( accross all plate-formes ) I don't think it's ultimately a good one, not even talking about a possible one.

spartaxoxo · May 4

You've had too much Skooma!

Poll option just because of the lol. Anyway, they don't want someone visiting someone else's house and becoming trapped or being unable to join their guild halls and the like.

SilverBride · May 4

Bad idea

I always thought that the limit was set to what the lowest system could handle and not increased for other systems out of fairness, so we all would have equal options.

Nomadic_Atmoran · May 4

Good idea

I think its beyond time for ZOS to rip off the band aid and just address the matter for old gen players. They're running suboptimal systems and so they cant get the max experience out of the game. As it would be unfair to leave players on PC and next gen tied to the limitations of systems they are not currently operating. Current limitations will remain on older gen consoles and newer consoles and PC will have their limitations adjusted.

Here on PS5 they have two different versions of the game files. If you're using a PS4 you cant download and run the PS5 version. So there is already a separation there. Just take advantage of it. Stop coddling the old gen players.

Smoky · May 5

Good idea

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Poll option just because of the lol. Anyway, they don't want someone visiting someone else's house and becoming trapped or being unable to join their guild halls and the like.

I thought someone might like that 3rd option lol.

You make a very good point I hadn't thought of, some players with that change might not be able to visit their own guild halls! That would be very unfair agreed.

Heren wrote: »

I don't think it would be a good move from ZOS, to promote that kind of discrimination based on what hardware you have despite the official minimum requirements accross all plate-formes. If they say you can play on a system but then they impose restrictions, it's a bit contradictory ( and maybe illegal ? I don't know if the official minimum requirements are more than an advice <shrug> ).

So while I understand the idea, and it could be an interesting one, unless they upgrade the minimum requirements ( accross all plate-formes ) I don't think it's ultimately a good one, not even talking about a possible one.

I have played games in the past where your machine specs determined how much your limit was for building, its not illegal for a game to do but I appreciate your opinion.

Danikat · May 5

The OPs suggestion is good in theory, but I doubt it'd work in practice. A lot of people will over-estimate what their PC can handle, or simply set it to the maximum and then if they try to load into a house their PC can't display the game will crash, but then they'll have no way to get out again, because they'd need to log into the character to go anywhere else.

Even if ZOS could design a system to pull you back to your previous location after the game crashes on a loading screen (and I don't know if they could) they'd still have to deal with support tickets and people on the forum tagging every staff member in posts wanting to know why they can't get into a house.

(Also I would not be surprised to learn that a lot of people are playing ESO on PCs less powerful and more out-dated than the PS4 and Xbox One. A lot of people will buy the cheapest PC they can find that meets the minimum requirements for games they want to play at the time, and keep using it with no upgrades until it breaks, then replace it with another cheap/minimum spec machine. It's usually possible for a PC to exceed current gen console specs, but the ones that actually do are usually a very small minority.)

Smoky · May 5

Good idea

@Danikat You raise some interesting points, by no means do I think it would be easy to implement. Obviously consoles would still have to have a set limit based on gen so no choice but better limits on new gen. On PC a simple test option might be the solution as some other PC games have in the settings when trying to get the settings just right.

Regarding the "A lot of people will buy the cheapest PC they can that meets the minimum requirements" that is very interesting, what is your source for this as I would like to read more because generally I have found that not to be the case so an alternative source of information would be interesting.

Appreciate your feedback.

Razmirra · May 5

Good idea

The GP house needs more slots, like at least 900 regular, 125 collectibles and 15-20 special. You can easily make it into an epic manor with the right approach but 700 slots might make people be cutting to their limits in terms of spots..

Maitsukas · May 5

SilverBride wrote: »

I always thought that the limit was set to what the lowest system could handle and not increased for other systems out of fairness, so we all would have equal options.

I play on integrated graphics (since my GTX 1050 died several years ago, currently using the 7th gen Intel i5) and can tell from my personal experience, that my Hall of the Lunar Champion (which is completely filled with 700 furnishings) has FPS drops when looking at their general direction, despite the furnishings being 1000s of meters away in that house.

kargen27 · May 5

Bad idea

They need to treat PC and console users the same as best they can. We all pay for the game and shouldn't be penalized for what platform we are on.

Northwold · May 6

I can't really vote in this since the precise reason for the furniture limits does genuinely seem to be a technical one on the client side (they've said so repeatedly). It seems wishful thinking to vote for a solution to a technical problem without knowing exactly what the technical issue is and with no expertise in how to solve it!

SerafinaWaterstar · May 6

A possible solution might be to have separate instances between inside & outside in the houses? I would not mind a slightly longer load screen if it meant I could have extra slots.

mdjessup4906 · May 13

Good idea

freespirit wrote: »

I always wonder whether just removing the categories would be a good starting point to test what happens.

I pretty much never use the full number of dungeon trophies but would love to use those allocated spaces for other items!

If they cannot even allow us the choice to say add more guests/pets/mounts you have to wonder what is the real root cause for these limits!

They try to sell us more and more of these items but we cannot place hardly any in our homes, seems counter intuitive to me.

I feel it is likely something more than just older machines.

Btw didn't vote as non of the options seemed right for me, my PC is probably heading pretty fast into the "potato" category!!

The opposite for me. I want a place to display all my undaunted trophies. These catagory limits look completely arbitrary. That this giant new museum house still can't do that is just sad.

Give me my Undaunted museum zos.

kind_hero · May 13

I am not sure if the devs have been transparent on the real issues. My guess is that it has to do with stability.

However, I have visited houses with very unconventional builds, which had lots of items and FX concentrated in one small area, and on my mid laptop, I haven't faced any issues apart from some fps drop.

Also, there are some new very very large housing areas that don't suggest an issue with the housing item limit. One the surface, the engine handles very large houses well. Many houses now are larger than a delve.

I would like to be able to upgrade the number of slots, not to have a flat out increase. Because all this adds to server load, and many people don't really care about housing. I would also like to sell some of the houses I don't use besides storage, now that the furnishing vault will be a feature.

The direction should be towards grouped furnishings, like piles of fruits, groups of flasks and so on. Maybe a way to make groups ourselves?

zaria · May 13

Good idea

Soarora wrote: »

I like the idea, I just don’t know how exactly it’d work. I think an alternative idea is to add load screens in houses but let inside and outside have different limits (downside is that you can’t have pets/people walk through doors then). Or despawn items when they’re out of view or something.

Loading screens at almost all houses in the game is still in the same cell, its just underground so game know it does need to render anything outside or inside. Npc can pass trough them but not sure if any does in ESO outside of quests.
Exception with the same cell is some large houses like Orcinium palace, the thief guild bases are also in separate cells.

But inside an outside should have separate limits if reasoning is client performance.

Aylish · May 13

Good idea

Whatever helps increasing the furnishing limit, I'm in!
That old-gen consoles are the reason why I can only furnish and not decorate my house on PC properly is a pain.
I‘m at 600/600 in my house and would like to actually decorate it.

I hope they start dropping those consoles eventually. I think addons for latest-gen only are the beginning of this process.

Until then a separate approach on furnishing limits may be worth trying.

Smoky · May 13

Good idea

@kind_hero Interesting point you make and yes I can understand ZOS doesn't want to overload the server but also as you said grouped furnishings would be much more sensible in helping manage the limit.

@Aylish I don't want to exclude old gen or low spec PC's so varied limits would at least allow them to continue as it is now but its getting to the point where in my humble opinion, those who have spent money on better machines are been held back. I guess it will always be a difficult issue as its "why should we have to upgrade" versus " why are we been held back" arguments depending which side your on and of course those who aren't interested in housing don't want ZOS spending time on it when other areas need more urgent attention in their opinion.

@zaria I agree with what you said there and it definitely seems a possibility unless we are missing something that ZOS aren't prepared to say.

Appreciate all your comments, its always good to see what other peoples perspectives are. As for me, housing is my joint favorite thing to do in game so I will always be a little bias towards wanting it improved.

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