Eso cooked

Zyaneth_Bal · May 5

[snip] Introducing a game breaking feature in the most raw form, promising changes yet not delivering any. Not to mention that everything has been spilled out for them on forum but they can’t even listen when their work is already being done for them. Rip eso

[edited for bashing]

Zyaneth_Bal · May 5

Someone should fr make a fan eso server. Until then on to some better games and better devs

Cooperharley · May 5

Yeh spent the week golfing instead of balancing the game

Shagreth · May 5

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

[snip] Introducing a game breaking feature in the most raw form, promising changes yet not delivering any. Not to mention that everything has been spilled out for them on forum but they can’t even listen when their work is already being done for them. Rip eso

This has been happening since Elsweyr—probably when they shifted focus to their new MMO, leaving ESO to become little more than a cash cow. The game has always had aggressive monetization, but lately, they’re demanding too much and giving back too little. I don’t even know what to say anymore. After all these years, many of us stuck around out of love for the game—but now, even the most loyal fans are walking away.

[edited to remove quote]

Soarora · May 5

The four horsemen of the zospocalypse:
AWA
U35
Market Crash
Subclassing

If this doesn’t severely injure the game kick out market crash and put the next mistake in there to have your 4…

Zyaneth_Bal · May 5

Shagreth wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

[snip] Introducing a game breaking feature in the most raw form, promising changes yet not delivering any. Not to mention that everything has been spilled out for them on forum but they can’t even listen when their work is already being done for them. Rip eso

This has been happening since Elsweyr—probably when they shifted focus to their new MMO, leaving ESO to become little more than a cash cow. The game has always had aggressive monetization, but lately, they’re demanding too much and giving back too little. I don’t even know what to say anymore. After all these years, many of us stuck around out of love for the game—but now, even the most loyal fans are walking away.

Yeah by no means this is new. But for what reason would they be killing the game which is still plenty profitable. Isn’t it their most profitable project?

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TempestM · May 5

Soarora wrote: »

The four horsemen of the zospocalypse:
AWA
U35
Market Crash
Subclassing

If this doesn’t severely injure the game kick out market crash and put the next mistake in there to have your 4…

Don't put AWA here, it didn't break anything and was long overdue and asked for

Soarora · May 5

TempestM wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

The four horsemen of the zospocalypse:
AWA
U35
Market Crash
Subclassing

If this doesn’t severely injure the game kick out market crash and put the next mistake in there to have your 4…

Don't put AWA here, it didn't break anything and was long overdue and asked for

Just because you didn’t see the community destruction of AWA doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Objectively it caused community damage, I was there.

Twohothardware · May 5

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

Zyaneth_Bal · May 5

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

You have several weeks worth of forum posts to get your answers. I can’t be bothered anymore

Soarora · May 5

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

100k dps -> 150k+ dps
x7 or more
+ added buff and debuff capabilities from supports

Mechanics who?

Twohothardware · May 5

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

You have several weeks worth of forum posts to get your answers. I can’t be bothered anymore

There are several weeks of complaining about changes every single pts since pts was created.

Zyaneth_Bal · May 5

Soarora wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

100k dps -> 150k+ dps
x7 or more
+ added buff and debuff capabilities from supports

Mechanics who?

It’s rly nothing compared to what happens to pvp.
ye, whatever

MurkyWetWolf198 · May 5

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

PvP is a complete mess (though that’s not exactly new)
Damage output for high-end PvE content is cranked to silly numbers
Support roles can do some wild things with ult-gen builds
And as always, some skill lines and builds are just behind.

Overall, I’ve seen so much worse lol. I think the people who come to the forums are just more likely to be critical, if not pessimistic, about changes

TempestM · May 5

Soarora wrote: »

TempestM wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

The four horsemen of the zospocalypse:
AWA
U35
Market Crash
Subclassing

If this doesn’t severely injure the game kick out market crash and put the next mistake in there to have your 4…

Don't put AWA here, it didn't break anything and was long overdue and asked for

Just because you didn’t see the community destruction of AWA doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Objectively it caused community damage, I was there.

Few people angry at forums isn't "community" of the whole TESO. Most people wouldn't even notice
And if I'm part of the community and was playing before and after the change yet didn't notice it get destroyed... Then how could it happen? That overdramatic claim has no sense

Soarora · May 5

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

100k dps -> 150k+ dps
x7 or more
+ added buff and debuff capabilities from supports

Mechanics who?

It’s rly nothing compared to what happens to pvp

I don’t think there needs to be competition between what will happen to PvErs and what will happen to PvPers. We’re in this together. That said, yeah the consequence in PvP is inconceivable. Literally just don’t get to know what you’re going up against I suppose, let alone the other problems.

Zyaneth_Bal · May 5

Soarora wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

100k dps -> 150k+ dps
x7 or more
+ added buff and debuff capabilities from supports

Mechanics who?

It’s rly nothing compared to what happens to pvp

I don’t think there needs to be competition between what will happen to PvErs and what will happen to PvPers. We’re in this together. That said, yeah the consequence in PvP is inconceivable. Literally just don’t get to know what you’re going up against I suppose, let alone the other problems.

There is no competition, just pointing out that the update is in fact much worse than just that

Zyaneth_Bal · May 5

There have been so many great posts over the pts in attempts to fix what zos broke. Same as every update. But all that’s left now is to vent

Soarora · May 5

TempestM wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

TempestM wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

The four horsemen of the zospocalypse:
AWA
U35
Market Crash
Subclassing

If this doesn’t severely injure the game kick out market crash and put the next mistake in there to have your 4…

Don't put AWA here, it didn't break anything and was long overdue and asked for

Just because you didn’t see the community destruction of AWA doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Objectively it caused community damage, I was there.

Few people angry at forums isn't "community" of the whole TESO. Most people wouldn't even notice
And if I'm part of the community and was playing before and after the change yet didn't notice it get destroyed... Then how could it happen? That overdramatic claim has no sense

You don’t know me. I wasn’t talking about the forums. I wasn’t talking about the broader community of ESO. There’s no point arguing this. Objectively there was community damage. Maybe not in your circles but in mine there was. It’s not a matter of individual opinion it is simply factual.

Twohothardware · May 5

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

100k dps -> 150k+ dps
x7 or more
+ added buff and debuff capabilities from supports

Mechanics who?

It’s rly nothing compared to what happens to pvp.
ye, whatever

What happens to PvP is we get access through subclassing to higher burst damage and can kill everyone that’s currently running around with 40k health, 30k resistance and max impen.

PvP has been a mess because the time to kill is like 15 minutes per player.

Thumbless_Bot · May 5

Soarora wrote: »

The four horsemen of the zospocalypse:
AWA
U35
Market Crash
Subclassing

If this doesn’t severely injure the game kick out market crash and put the next mistake in there to have your 4…

2 team bgs

BahometZ · May 5

Agreed. We are all cooked.
Not an awful idea in theory but the implementation is terrible, and the effect it will have is disastrous. Most people probably won't care, but the flow on issues of tying every class together for the rest of the life of this game is going to make balance impossible.

The damage it is doing to existing pure classes, to long-standing gearsets, to passives, to CP, oh brother. And everyone thinks it's ok, they'll just adjust things. Lol.

Orbital78 · May 5

Hopefully they don't adjust content too soon

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom · May 5

"and then they asked for a class change token so we gave them subclassing"

icapital · May 5

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

"and then they asked for a class change token so we gave them subclassing"

*chefs kiss* perfection

Zyaneth_Bal · May 5

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

"and then they asked for a class change token so we gave them subclassing"

Why do they all look the same

francesinhalover · May 6

Shagreth wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

[snip] Introducing a game breaking feature in the most raw form, promising changes yet not delivering any. Not to mention that everything has been spilled out for them on forum but they can’t even listen when their work is already being done for them. Rip eso

This has been happening since Elsweyr—probably when they shifted focus to their new MMO, leaving ESO to become little more than a cash cow. The game has always had aggressive monetization, but lately, they’re demanding too much and giving back too little. I don’t even know what to say anymore. After all these years, many of us stuck around out of love for the game—but now, even the most loyal fans are walking away.

In 1 or 2 months you can check player numbers to see... like on steam, there's info there if you search.
I'm curious myself
I think eso will gain more players actually. Which is a good thing.

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VoidCommander · May 6

francesinhalover wrote: »

Shagreth wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

[snip] Introducing a game breaking feature in the most raw form, promising changes yet not delivering any. Not to mention that everything has been spilled out for them on forum but they can’t even listen when their work is already being done for them. Rip eso

This has been happening since Elsweyr—probably when they shifted focus to their new MMO, leaving ESO to become little more than a cash cow. The game has always had aggressive monetization, but lately, they’re demanding too much and giving back too little. I don’t even know what to say anymore. After all these years, many of us stuck around out of love for the game—but now, even the most loyal fans are walking away.

In 1 or 2 months you can check player numbers to see... like on steam, there's info there if you search.
I'm curious myself
I think eso will gain more players actually. Which is a good thing.

This will likely help to encourage more gameplay out of new and old players. Needing to effectively re-level dozens of subclasses will add many, many hours of “the good grind.” This kind of grind has meaningful impact and progression which is usually healthy for an MMO.

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Major_Toughness · May 6

Shagreth wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

[snip] Introducing a game breaking feature in the most raw form, promising changes yet not delivering any. Not to mention that everything has been spilled out for them on forum but they can’t even listen when their work is already being done for them. Rip eso

This has been happening since Elsweyr—probably when they shifted focus to their new MMO, leaving ESO to become little more than a cash cow. The game has always had aggressive monetization, but lately, they’re demanding too much and giving back too little. I don’t even know what to say anymore. After all these years, many of us stuck around out of love for the game—but now, even the most loyal fans are walking away.

Releasing a ESO "classic" at the point of Elseweyr would be god tier.

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francesinhalover · May 6

Soarora wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

100k dps -> 150k+ dps
x7 or more
+ added buff and debuff capabilities from supports

Mechanics who?

that's awesome. all my life my dps was bad. My best was 89k with arcanist using best gear available and skills
So does this mean i can finaly do content i couldnt before? Cant wait to do more dmg

francesinhalover · May 6

Twohothardware wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Exactly what in the game is now broken because of subclassing?

100k dps -> 150k+ dps
x7 or more
+ added buff and debuff capabilities from supports

Mechanics who?

It’s rly nothing compared to what happens to pvp.
ye, whatever

What happens to PvP is we get access through subclassing to higher burst damage and can kill everyone that’s currently running around with 40k health, 30k resistance and max impen.

PvP has been a mess because the time to kill is like 15 minutes per player.

dont those people also gain access to more dmg resistances?