Why the one bar build hate? It needs to stop - some players do not like weapon swapping.

moo_2021 · April 4

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Personally, I would never have designed the game to make the back bar a buff bar. I think new worlds two bar system makes a ton more sense. Where changing to a different weapon changes the playstyle/scenario use and are not really about buffing (although some combos exist due to stunning with one weapon and executing with another).

How do buffs work in new world and other mmo?

The idea of having to dedicate half the time and attention to buff timers just doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't it be much better if major buff abilities work like slotted CPs?

Icy_Waffles · April 4

coop500 wrote: »

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

abkam wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

One bar builds should always be weaker than a two bar build. There should be a dps and survivability loss for not having to bar swap.

And Arcanist should be nerfed by 50%, right? Because with just Banner + one skill + Beam, they can hit 500K—almost the same as the best DK pro players. We can't have everything we want, right?

[snip]

coop500 wrote: »

I feel like half this thread doesn't realize tons of Oakensoul builds exist and not all of them are even HA related.

I run all my DPS characters with Oakensoul, and they vary in their play styles. I tried HA once and it felt boring and clunky as hell, so they're all light-attack weaving types. Some melee, some ranged, in all different classes, and yes they do have self heal, a shield, and most provide this to others if standing close (scribing soul burst skill or the mage's guild one depending on the character, as well as other buffs.)

Sure. I use oaken on my werewolf stam sorc. It doesn’t mean it’s good enough for vet trials. Just solo fun, random normals, and vet dungeons.

There is tons and tons of content in this game outside of vet trials, you know.

That's what drives me nuts about people sometimes. Just cause it's not ideal for vet trials, it's trash and nobody should run it!
Guess what? Most people can't do vet trials even with the meta builds, due to needing user skills that not everyone possesses.

I didn’t say that. As I clearly stated I use this build for plenty of things. But I know it’s not meant for end game content-

Stop baiting and just complaining that many end game groups won’t take your one bar build-

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coop500 · April 4

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

abkam wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

One bar builds should always be weaker than a two bar build. There should be a dps and survivability loss for not having to bar swap.

And Arcanist should be nerfed by 50%, right? Because with just Banner + one skill + Beam, they can hit 500K—almost the same as the best DK pro players. We can't have everything we want, right?

[snip]

coop500 wrote: »

I feel like half this thread doesn't realize tons of Oakensoul builds exist and not all of them are even HA related.

I run all my DPS characters with Oakensoul, and they vary in their play styles. I tried HA once and it felt boring and clunky as hell, so they're all light-attack weaving types. Some melee, some ranged, in all different classes, and yes they do have self heal, a shield, and most provide this to others if standing close (scribing soul burst skill or the mage's guild one depending on the character, as well as other buffs.)

Sure. I use oaken on my werewolf stam sorc. It doesn’t mean it’s good enough for vet trials. Just solo fun, random normals, and vet dungeons.

There is tons and tons of content in this game outside of vet trials, you know.

That's what drives me nuts about people sometimes. Just cause it's not ideal for vet trials, it's trash and nobody should run it!
Guess what? Most people can't do vet trials even with the meta builds, due to needing user skills that not everyone possesses.

I didn’t say that. As I clearly stated I use this build for plenty of things. But I know it’s not meant for end game content-

Stop baiting and just complaining that many end game groups won’t take your one bar build-

You're the one baiting, honestly.
I have no problems in vet trials if I want to, and have never been rejected from any group due to my build. I am just making a statement because most people won't ever touch vet trials, so it's weird to tell everyone not to use oakensoul for that reason.
Not saying YOU are, but people in those reddit threads were.

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DigiAngel · April 4

FWIW I've had no complains on my accidental one bar magblade build (originally meant for IA). I only do the daily random normal dungeons with that build...I have elemental explosion slotted with shock damage and off balance so I feel that helps out the whole team. That said, I'd never do vet dungeons or trials with it...not enough raw damage output.