Honestly, this is a learn to play issue. You just need practice to get better. We've all been there at one point, but it's like any new game you pick up; you have to learn how that game plays. You don't start up a pokemon game and expect to play it like COD, right?

Djennku wrote: »

Honestly, this is a learn to play issue. You just need practice to get better. We've all been there at one point, but it's like any new game you pick up; you have to learn how that game plays. You don't start up a pokemon game and expect to play it like COD, right?

Imo it's a design issue.

Speaking from a healer perspective, the whole concept of all-in-one, small, moving, non-customizable buff and debuff bars floating in front of you're eyes during combat is really far from ideal.
There is a reason why we have so many buff/debuff tracking addons.

The fact that you can learn to deal with crap doesn't mean that crap cannot be improved.

^ On larger foes, that red effect seems to rise off their back and shoulders as well, making it a bit easier to see.

Lystrad wrote: »

So there is a subtle visual effect from taunts but it can be kind of difficult to see in the chaos of other visual effects going off. It's a red effect that appears around the targets head, it seems to be easiest to see on humanoids. It would definitely be nice if it was more pronounced and somewhere that was easier to locate on all enemy types regardless of size.

I'm also not sure if it's applied by the soft taunts from pulls, but I know I've definitely seen it applied by SnS taunt, undaunted taunt, and arcanist taunt.

Yes I am aware of this particle effect but as mentioned its nearly impossible to see in most situations. On top of this it doesn't give you any indication on how long your taunt has left on it. In WoW enemy health bars above their heads will change color relative to your threat on them. Something similar to this should be implemented in ESO otherwise the threat system itself needs a complete re-work.

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

Honestly, this is a learn to play issue. You just need practice to get better. We've all been there at one point, but it's like any new game you pick up; you have to learn how that game plays. You don't start up a pokemon game and expect to play it like COD, right?

You’ve…missed the mark by a country mile. OP isn’t saying that tanking is hard, or that they don’t know how to Taunt and they want the whole process to be easier. They just want a better system for knowing who’s taunted and who isn’t. This isn’t an issue of mechanics. It has nothing to do with skill or practice and everything to do with convenience and quality of life.

Thank you, thats exactly what I was saying. Actually right now, tanking IS hard but it doesn't need to be this hard. It is very much a struggle to tank more than 2 enemies for over 15s especially if you need to maintain buffs for your group damage, and do other mechanics like interrupts and stuff. You very quickly lose track of which target's taunt has what duration left on it. I did setup a Hypertools icon just to the left of my reticle which basically gives me at a glance an indication of the duration left on my taunt for my targeted enemy. If its less than 3s the icon starts to flash and show the proc indicator effect to warn me. Still it would be much more enjoyable to tank if I could just at a glance see the duration left on any enemy I have taunted by looking at their character model without having to deal with the *** targeting system to try and target them to see the duration left.

alpha_synuclein wrote: »

CanAPanda wrote: »

alpha_synuclein wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

Honestly, this is a learn to play issue. You just need practice to get better. We've all been there at one point, but it's like any new game you pick up; you have to learn how that game plays. You don't start up a pokemon game and expect to play it like COD, right?

Imo it's a design issue.

Speaking from a healer perspective, the whole concept of all-in-one, small, moving, non-customizable buff and debuff bars floating in front of you're eyes during combat is really far from ideal.
There is a reason why we have so many buff/debuff tracking addons.

The fact that you can learn to deal with crap doesn't mean that crap cannot be improved.

I also often play healer, I actually use an addon called Hypertools which allows me to place "sticky" icons onto characters in the game space. They aren't static on your screen like RO Tracker, PA tracker etc instead it places the Powerful Assault icon directly on each player that is missing it. My OCD forces me to rebuff PA because it makes the floating icons go away. This is only possible for grouped members though. You cannot attach any image to any enemy or friendly unless grouped.

I am aware of that and I am also using addons for uptime tracking. But the fact that addons exist doesn't mean that we should stop asking for better ingame solutions.
We got skill timers eventually.

I agree and the game should be playable without addons and it obviously is to some extent (console). That doesn't mean its working well or couldn't be improved on. I would love to just get rid of all my trial addons and I did for a while.

I prefer to just recognize mechanics based on enemy vocalizations/animations and react accordingly. The problems with this way of thinking is there are way too many friendly aoe effects that create too much screen clutter. I have friendly skills turned off yet I still see too many of them. Also the enemy effects can also be overwhelming for the optical nerves. Some games do this well where animation particles are much much more transparent but not this game. Take for example the last trash pack in vLC before Shard, there are so many ground fire effects in that pull that you usually can't even see the firestorm aoes before they pop off and kill you. How is this supposed to be enjoyable or playable? Its like the game is completely designed around throwing as much damage as possible at you so you can test if the healers are putting out 70k+ overheal or not. Why is overheal even what we focus on here? I remember in wow overheal was something to be ashamed of because that was wasted mana, instead reactionary healing was praised.

I'm slightly getting off topic as there are many issues with the game. Back to the taunt indicators or just floating indicators in general. I know as it stands it is impossible to attach icons to enemies given the API that addon creators are to work with. The only floating indicators are ones that are baked into the game already which put red arrows over enemies you are in combat with. The targeting and threat system both need a serious overhaul. I just don't think ZoS will ever do it because most of their money comes from casuals which always make up the majority of every MMO's playerbase. Also it interferes with play your own way motto that they live by and eventually will die by (not irl, relax ZoS don't ban me again its a figure of speech).

Jestir wrote: »

"Failure to properly provide the player necessary information" is an all around issue with this game

Your issue with providing basic taunt info for tanking, the literally bare bones group health lines let alone buff or debuff management, or how the game flat out doesn't provide any information for players to improve in any way in any role

Players have to rely on outside sources to learn what is considered very basic foundational information and it is one of the worst things about the game

Oh trust me, I know. Its crazy how much stuff is just under the table at this point. Status effects are poorly if even explained at all. Most players don't realize that concussion applies minor vuln for 4 secs and is the prerequisite for off balance. You'll have healers complaining about being asked to bring a lightning staff for wall then having to explain how it all works. Brittle only being applied when chill is applied WITH A FROST STAFF equipped goes under the table a lot too. Many tanks are still running 1h&Shield front bar when really they should just be double staffing almost all content. I mean if someone can solo tank falg HM without a guard on them while in double staff then its hard for me to take someone seriously saying they can't tank regular vet twins in vdsr with a double staff.

Just the other day I completely forgot that they changed it so that ice blockade/wall now applies minor breach if it damages a target afflicted by chill. I also didn't realize that they changed boneyard to apply minor vuln since I left for 9 months.

The whole "play your way" is great until nothing is explained and the bare minimum information needed to do certain activities without relying on addons isn't provided.