Crown Crates - Craftable Items

SilverIce58 · March 29

Dragonnord wrote: »

@coop500 @Ilsabet Same thing. Whatever they are replacing they are giving 5 gems every single time they appear, and they appeared a lot to me, so, as mentioned, I ended with more gems than ever.

Keep them in the crates.

Counterpoint. Put some new furniture in the crates that we can't craft but are still worth 5 gems.

KhajiitiLizard · March 29

I wish we could turn anything we get into gems even if we didn't have it yet. I don't want to jump through hoops to get the one thing I want while getting tons of junk.

Rittings · March 29

Dragonnord wrote: »

@coop500 @Ilsabet Same thing. Whatever they are replacing they are giving 5 gems every single time they appear, and they appeared a lot to me, so, as mentioned, I ended with more gems than ever.

Keep them in the crates.

You ended up with more simply because you probably bought more. They are in the superior tier and are worth the same gems as any from that tier. No more, no less… they simply dominate the loot table. Out of 25 I got 11 of them in combination and deconstructed them all. I got more gems simply because I would normally have kept some of the other items in that tier… that choice and freedom was taken away with such a nasty and vindictive choice of ZeniMax to include items that are cheap craftables… and they don’t make those decisions over morning coffee, they are intentionally made to fill their pot.

thegreatme · March 29

KhajiitiLizard wrote: »

I wish we could turn anything we get into gems even if we didn't have it yet. I don't want to jump through hoops to get the one thing I want while getting tons of junk.

Second this.

There are a lot of things I've gotten as drops that I've never wanted and have never used. All it does is make my collections more cluttered and harder to scroll through finding the stuff I actually wanted. Wish I could just deconstruct quite a number of pets, mounts, cosmetics, 100 gem weapon styles (remember when we got styles as page drops instead of straight to collections that we could deconstruct for gems? that was nice. Haven't seen that since Psijic crates) that I don't want, don't like, and will never use.

wolfie1.0. · March 29

It was bad enough that easily farmable motifs were in the crates... resorting to this is just bad.

DenverRalphy · March 29

Dragonnord wrote: »

@coop500 @Ilsabet Same thing. Whatever they are replacing they are giving 5 gems every single time they appear, and they appeared a lot to me, so, as mentioned, I ended with more gems than ever.

Keep them in the crates.

Superior Rewards cost 16 gemstones to purchase. Extracting nets you 5 gemstones. So you get just under 1/3rd of the return.

In the crates, there are 24 superior rewards. 4 of them are the craftable low quality furnishings. 20 of them are rewards that are much much MUCH higher quality and value than the craftable furnishings. I'd much rather get just ONE of the other superior rewards than have to trade in 3.2 of them to get one of the other 20. The craftable furnishings are gem fodder at a really really bad exchange rate. Why you would prefer it that way is beyond me.

Barovia87 · March 29

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

@coop500 @Ilsabet Same thing. Whatever they are replacing they are giving 5 gems every single time they appear, and they appeared a lot to me, so, as mentioned, I ended with more gems than ever.

Keep them in the crates.

Counterpoint. Put some new furniture in the crates that we can't craft but are still worth 5 gems.

It would have been so easy to just recolor base furnishings if they wanted to do this the lazy way. That way the furnishings are unique for people who want that, but they take virtually no time to put together, and they still accomplish the same things from a business perspective in the Crates. Like... they still could have been lazy, without ALSO being insulting.

Craftable trash in the new Crates. Trader trash in the Daily Login Rewards (RE: the extremely common and cheap Spring Painting this month). I'm seeing a theme, and I'm not impressed.

Carcamongus · March 30

I always look forward to new crates because there are usually some very interesting items in them, regardless of whether or not I actually want the stuff. To be quite honest, I was a bit of a Slowpoke with these furnishings: at first I just thought they were meh, but only later did I notice they were craftable. That wasn't nice.

Most people in the discussion found it insulting and one actually liked the change. How about adding cheaper but unique (not recolored, though) non-craftable furnishings to the loot table, then? They'd be cheaper than the 40-100 gems that's the usual and would still yield 5 gems each if the player doesn't want to keep them.

CBreeze71 · March 30

Been playing for a couple years and I just started investing more often in crown crates.

I saw a basic furnishing pop up this bundle (a wood elf cup!?) and was shocked. It completely cheapened my experience. I felt taken advantage of. My focus is crafting, so it was like a double insult (no offense to wood elves, but do people actually craft those cups?). I also got a wood elf table. That's a lovely beast.

Sure, as mentioned, they can be sold back (thank goodness, I thought I was going to cry. I really don't like those cups). But it's heavily diluting the pool.

It's fairly obvious that this is to push people to use crown gems for rewards.

Now instead of getting something to blast your endorphins into space on a card pull, you're just collecting a currency that makes your item much more expensive than just being a pull, as has been the case.

It's shrinkflation. I don't think I want to buy crates anymore for the time being. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

Like another poster mentioned, I want items that are special. That make buying crates something to look forward to and feel worth my money, but this ain't it.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · March 30

Carcamongus wrote: »

I always look forward to new crates because there are usually some very interesting items in them, regardless of whether or not I actually want the stuff. To be quite honest, I was a bit of a Slowpoke with these furnishings: at first I just thought they were meh, but only later did I notice they were craftable. That wasn't nice.

Most people in the discussion found it insulting and one actually liked the change. How about adding cheaper but unique (not recolored, though) non-craftable furnishings to the loot table, then? They'd be cheaper than the 40-100 gems that's the usual and would still yield 5 gems each if the player doesn't want to keep them.

They shouldn't have furniture in the crates at all. Crafted or unique. Actually the unique ones are sometimes worse because it's such an awful thing for people who are interested in housing. You find that thing that will be perfect for your housing project, you look it up and woah woah, it's from crates you might not see for years and you will then need to pay hard and slowly earned gems or seals for them.

DenverRalphy · March 30

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

I always look forward to new crates because there are usually some very interesting items in them, regardless of whether or not I actually want the stuff. To be quite honest, I was a bit of a Slowpoke with these furnishings: at first I just thought they were meh, but only later did I notice they were craftable. That wasn't nice.

Most people in the discussion found it insulting and one actually liked the change. How about adding cheaper but unique (not recolored, though) non-craftable furnishings to the loot table, then? They'd be cheaper than the 40-100 gems that's the usual and would still yield 5 gems each if the player doesn't want to keep them.

They shouldn't have furniture in the crates at all. Crafted or unique. Actually the unique ones are sometimes worse because it's such an awful thing for people who are interested in housing. You find that thing that will be perfect for your housing project, you look it up and woah woah, it's from crates you might not see for years and you will then need to pay hard and slowly earned gems or seals for them.

Wouldn't that apply to pretty much all items in the crown crates? Furnishings don't have a monopoly on that. There's a unique outfit style piece that I'm missing and hungrily waiting for the crates it comes from to come back around.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · March 30

DenverRalphy wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

I always look forward to new crates because there are usually some very interesting items in them, regardless of whether or not I actually want the stuff. To be quite honest, I was a bit of a Slowpoke with these furnishings: at first I just thought they were meh, but only later did I notice they were craftable. That wasn't nice.

Most people in the discussion found it insulting and one actually liked the change. How about adding cheaper but unique (not recolored, though) non-craftable furnishings to the loot table, then? They'd be cheaper than the 40-100 gems that's the usual and would still yield 5 gems each if the player doesn't want to keep them.

They shouldn't have furniture in the crates at all. Crafted or unique. Actually the unique ones are sometimes worse because it's such an awful thing for people who are interested in housing. You find that thing that will be perfect for your housing project, you look it up and woah woah, it's from crates you might not see for years and you will then need to pay hard and slowly earned gems or seals for them.

Wouldn't that apply to pretty much all items in the crown crates? Furnishings don't have a monopoly on that. There's a unique outfit style piece that I'm missing and hungrily waiting for the crates it comes from to come back around.

Think there's a difference when furniture are items and the rest are collectables

DenverRalphy · March 30

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

I always look forward to new crates because there are usually some very interesting items in them, regardless of whether or not I actually want the stuff. To be quite honest, I was a bit of a Slowpoke with these furnishings: at first I just thought they were meh, but only later did I notice they were craftable. That wasn't nice.

Most people in the discussion found it insulting and one actually liked the change. How about adding cheaper but unique (not recolored, though) non-craftable furnishings to the loot table, then? They'd be cheaper than the 40-100 gems that's the usual and would still yield 5 gems each if the player doesn't want to keep them.

They shouldn't have furniture in the crates at all. Crafted or unique. Actually the unique ones are sometimes worse because it's such an awful thing for people who are interested in housing. You find that thing that will be perfect for your housing project, you look it up and woah woah, it's from crates you might not see for years and you will then need to pay hard and slowly earned gems or seals for them.

Wouldn't that apply to pretty much all items in the crown crates? Furnishings don't have a monopoly on that. There's a unique outfit style piece that I'm missing and hungrily waiting for the crates it comes from to come back around.

Think there's a difference when furniture are items and the rest are collectables

How so? All it needs to be is something the players want. I personally like the unique crown store only furnishing rewards.

ImmortalCX · March 30

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I extracted a lot of gems from my crate bundle, but didn't take note of how many gems those furnishings were worth (if any). Anybody recall?

[edit] Nevermind. I still had them in inventoroy, so was able to check their value. They're worth 5 gems each. That's actually better than what I had expected. Not that I'm happy to see crafted items in the crates mind you. But 5 gems/per isn't so bad. It's better than what the pots/poisons pay out.

Thats actually welcome. Better than crown potions and food iirc.

ImmortalCX · March 30

I'm curious about something...

Those of you who buy crates, do you have a budget, or do you buy a large amount of them when you see something you want?

For instance, if there is a radiant apex something with a 1% chance of dropping, do you buy 100 crates and hope for the best? If you get it sooner, you got a "deal" and if you didn't get it, you probably got a bunch of other minor stuff to fill up your account (consolation prizes) or a stack of gems to spend.

I have never bought a crate, but through free crates and event rewards I sometimes have a small stack of purple gems.

It currently seems that endeavors and gems give more desirable items than things you purchase outright with crowns.

katanagirl1 · March 30

DenverRalphy wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

I always look forward to new crates because there are usually some very interesting items in them, regardless of whether or not I actually want the stuff. To be quite honest, I was a bit of a Slowpoke with these furnishings: at first I just thought they were meh, but only later did I notice they were craftable. That wasn't nice.

Most people in the discussion found it insulting and one actually liked the change. How about adding cheaper but unique (not recolored, though) non-craftable furnishings to the loot table, then? They'd be cheaper than the 40-100 gems that's the usual and would still yield 5 gems each if the player doesn't want to keep them.

They shouldn't have furniture in the crates at all. Crafted or unique. Actually the unique ones are sometimes worse because it's such an awful thing for people who are interested in housing. You find that thing that will be perfect for your housing project, you look it up and woah woah, it's from crates you might not see for years and you will then need to pay hard and slowly earned gems or seals for them.

Wouldn't that apply to pretty much all items in the crown crates? Furnishings don't have a monopoly on that. There's a unique outfit style piece that I'm missing and hungrily waiting for the crates it comes from to come back around.

Think there's a difference when furniture are items and the rest are collectables

How so? All it needs to be is something the players want. I personally like the unique crown store only furnishing rewards.

The problem with furnishings is, unlike mounts or costumes that you only need to buy once, you might need several of each furnishing item and have to buy each one separately. That can get very costly.

DenverRalphy · March 30

katanagirl1 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

I always look forward to new crates because there are usually some very interesting items in them, regardless of whether or not I actually want the stuff. To be quite honest, I was a bit of a Slowpoke with these furnishings: at first I just thought they were meh, but only later did I notice they were craftable. That wasn't nice.

Most people in the discussion found it insulting and one actually liked the change. How about adding cheaper but unique (not recolored, though) non-craftable furnishings to the loot table, then? They'd be cheaper than the 40-100 gems that's the usual and would still yield 5 gems each if the player doesn't want to keep them.

They shouldn't have furniture in the crates at all. Crafted or unique. Actually the unique ones are sometimes worse because it's such an awful thing for people who are interested in housing. You find that thing that will be perfect for your housing project, you look it up and woah woah, it's from crates you might not see for years and you will then need to pay hard and slowly earned gems or seals for them.

Wouldn't that apply to pretty much all items in the crown crates? Furnishings don't have a monopoly on that. There's a unique outfit style piece that I'm missing and hungrily waiting for the crates it comes from to come back around.

Think there's a difference when furniture are items and the rest are collectables

How so? All it needs to be is something the players want. I personally like the unique crown store only furnishing rewards.

The problem with furnishings is, unlike mounts or costumes that you only need to buy once, you might need several of each furnishing item and have to buy each one separately. That can get very costly.

It's not like the crown crate exclusive furnishings are simple items that need to come in a set. Forexample, the current crate has a performance stage, a stained glass window, etc.. those are great by themselves. Sometimes there are some that it would be nice to have 2 like the scarab sconce. But they're not dropping dropping chairs, place settings, glassware, wall/floor sections, etc.. where you'll need several. They're typically "accent" pieces.

Ezhh · March 30

If I buy a few crates, I want to know I'm probably getting SOMETHING to add to my collection from it. And up until now the odds of that have been extremely high, with just a couple of rare cases where a collectible might have been available somewhere else in the past. For these crates, odds are I'd walk away with far fewer new items than I would generally expect.

The result = me not touching them.

katanagirl1 · March 30

DenverRalphy wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

I always look forward to new crates because there are usually some very interesting items in them, regardless of whether or not I actually want the stuff. To be quite honest, I was a bit of a Slowpoke with these furnishings: at first I just thought they were meh, but only later did I notice they were craftable. That wasn't nice.

Most people in the discussion found it insulting and one actually liked the change. How about adding cheaper but unique (not recolored, though) non-craftable furnishings to the loot table, then? They'd be cheaper than the 40-100 gems that's the usual and would still yield 5 gems each if the player doesn't want to keep them.

They shouldn't have furniture in the crates at all. Crafted or unique. Actually the unique ones are sometimes worse because it's such an awful thing for people who are interested in housing. You find that thing that will be perfect for your housing project, you look it up and woah woah, it's from crates you might not see for years and you will then need to pay hard and slowly earned gems or seals for them.

Wouldn't that apply to pretty much all items in the crown crates? Furnishings don't have a monopoly on that. There's a unique outfit style piece that I'm missing and hungrily waiting for the crates it comes from to come back around.

Think there's a difference when furniture are items and the rest are collectables

How so? All it needs to be is something the players want. I personally like the unique crown store only furnishing rewards.

The problem with furnishings is, unlike mounts or costumes that you only need to buy once, you might need several of each furnishing item and have to buy each one separately. That can get very costly.

It's not like the crown crate exclusive furnishings are simple items that need to come in a set. Forexample, the current crate has a performance stage, a stained glass window, etc.. those are great by themselves. Sometimes there are some that it would be nice to have 2 like the scarab sconce. But they're not dropping dropping chairs, place settings, glassware, wall/floor sections, etc.. where you'll need several. They're typically "accent" pieces.

There have been several different types of sconces available only in crates or for gems, and if you are decorating a house you might need 4 or more of them, or maybe you want to put them in more than one house.

The Mane statue was available for crowns I think, I got one but wanted more, and did not have enough crowns at the time it was out to get more.

barney2525 · March 31

brandyvicious wrote: »

Why on earth are there craftable furnishing items in Crown Crates that we are paying for?
There is absolutely no reason they bowl, cup, and table should be included in these crates.
And on top of them already being in there, they are popping up in the results quite often which is infuriating after paying for these crates.

After thinking it through, I realized it really changed nothing.

Any item you get the first time, except potions, you have no choice, it automatically is added to collections. After that if you get the same item it automatically changes into a set amount of gems. Blue items are worth 5 gems. These new items are actually furniture, so don't go into collections - meaning you can get 5 gems for the first one if you wish and 5 for every one you get later, if you wish. You also have the option to Keep as many as you want, and use them as furniture.

Its completely balanced. Noting has actually changed. Those collectible items when they have popped up after you collect the first one always just gives you the 5 gems. Now, if you don't want the furniture items, you trade them off for 5 gems apiece.

You haven't lost out on anything

Sturmfaenger · March 31

If you do not know what to put in crown crates, and want to add furniture, then don't use craftable ones - if you want to use furniture that already exists, at least use unique parts of furniture that for example once came in furniture packs one could buy in crown store, or something that's in the housing crown store for a long time and not been craftable (like bamboo moonsugar cane, bath tub, bathrobe on a hook etc).

In short: Desirable furniture.

Those craftable woodelf ones in the crates right now... are especially ugly. Double no go.

hafjoldr · March 31

I definitely don't like the idea of having craftable items in crates. Regardless of how many gems I get from them, or other items in the same tier, there has to be a clear distinction between items I can get for in-game gold as opposed to crowns/gems.

I'd go as far as to say this is a con. It's simply too fraudulent to sell something at a price, that you can otherwise get for free.

sleepy_worm · March 31

Crown Crates are already kinda borderline scummy. Walk the line carefully. This is exactly what not to do.

Ezhh · March 31

barney2525 wrote: »

Its completely balanced. Noting has actually changed. Those collectible items when they have popped up after you collect the first one always just gives you the 5 gems. Now, if you don't want the furniture items, you trade them off for 5 gems apiece.

You haven't lost out on anything

This all depends on how many you buy. Imagine I wanted to gift a friend a crate as a thank you for something, or I had a few spare crowns and want to buy one or maybe a 4 pack of crates for myself. In the past you used to be pretty much guaranteed a new collectible per crate with these low numbers. Now there's a good chance you just get a few gems that won't cover a collectible.

It's massively offputting for people who might just want to pick up a small number and who don't mind the risk of the things gained being random, but are still looking to get something new.

5 gems is simply not going to be worth the same as unlocking a new collectible to everyone.

MoonPile · April 5

Dragonnord wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hey folks, just wanted to follow up based on some of the conversation in this thread. We have shared your thoughts and feedback (along with this thread in its entirety) with the team for their knowledge and future consideration when working on future crates. Thanks as always for sharing your feedback with us.

@ZOS_Kevin If you are going to share with the team the opinion of a few persons out of hundred thousands playing, then please share mine too:

LEAVE THOSE FURNITURE ITEMS IN THE CRATES.

With these crates I have made more gems than ever from common drops.

I like those items in the creates since instead of, on those cards, get pots or other stuff valued 1 or 2 gems, I get this furniture that, if I don't want them, I can exchange them for 5 gems.
...

FWIW, @ZOS_Kevin,
I partly agree with Dragonlord here.

I follow a few rules for crates:

Only via gold trading, never actual $
NEVER expect to get the items I want –
ALWAYS for gems:
ONLY when the crate pack contains a lot of things I like, I "buy" several packs. This means a lot of chances to get something I'll use + a lot of gems via repeat items to get the things I actually want.
(So on that note: the "prizes" that cannot be turned in for gems are mostly undesirable to me; I don't need a 100th armor style or pet or whatever that I'll never use: that's far, far more of a waste than a gem-fodder item.)

I hate the crate system and absolutely loathe that they contain things you cannot get in-game, that I need multiples of for Housing. The Endeavor system doesn't give enough Seals to get multiples of higher tier items regularly, especially as a returning houser who had to catch up on a few packs. It's way too expensive in every currency.

But when I chose to participate, those rules haven't failed me: no regrets.

So all that said, it might actually be a good thing that these ugly-as-sin wood elf furnishings are in there for a 5-gem return. Gem fodder is a good thing. While I agree the whole idea of placing any items that are craftable / buyable in game is inherently predatory especially to new players, at least I doubt that anyone would seriously spend gems on these particular items. It might actually be more predatory if they were attractive because a lot of players don't know what's available in-game and would actually buy them. Just as, sadly, they buy some armor style packs that have been in crates for years.

Folks earlier in the thread said it well: it feels insulting, and it's a waste of time. Instead of some garbage slots, just make them straight-up gems.

ShutUpitsRed · April 5

It's terrible that these crappy, craftable items are in the crates. I'm certainly never paying another penny/crown for the things.

Regarding the people who seem to think they're getting more gems out of items crowding out higher tier rewards rather than the trashpots etc... even if you were getting more gems, is a 4 gem/item REALLY worth having less actually interesting, unique rewards in the crates? Replaced by cups worth like 50 gold etc??
Gems are trash anyway unless you're a huge cratewhale and build up a ton of them.

Barovia87 · April 6

Just want to also point out that the craftable furnishings in the Crates are in the Blue text Crate tier (and as others have mentioned: we are supposed to be "guaranteed" a Blue text tier item with every crate).

These craftable furnishings aren't even Blue text in game. They are base game Greens.

Which is just sort of adding injury to insult.

In what universe is a worse version (i.e. Bound) of a Green text item a Blue tier reward? Make it make sense.

barney2525 · April 7

Ezhh wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Its completely balanced. Noting has actually changed. Those collectible items when they have popped up after you collect the first one always just gives you the 5 gems. Now, if you don't want the furniture items, you trade them off for 5 gems apiece.

You haven't lost out on anything

This all depends on how many you buy. Imagine I wanted to gift a friend a crate as a thank you for something, or I had a few spare crowns and want to buy one or maybe a 4 pack of crates for myself. In the past you used to be pretty much guaranteed a new collectible per crate with these low numbers. Now there's a good chance you just get a few gems that won't cover a collectible.

It's massively offputting for people who might just want to pick up a small number and who don't mind the risk of the things gained being random, but are still looking to get something new.

5 gems is simply not going to be worth the same as unlocking a new collectible to everyone.

I'm not buying it. This happens only in the Blue tier. There has rarely been anything in the Blue tier that I considered " must have ". Usually the collectable goes into the warehouse and is never seen or used again. In fact, obtaining the first one is in Many cases just a nuisance so you can at least get 5 gems every time it is duplicated.

If we were talking about higher tiers, I would agree. But not on Blue tier. Accumulate multiple furniture or trade them off for gems. It's the Player's choice. And I don't see any Fraud here.

and I haven't actually checked, so I don't know if these Specific items can be crafted. I'm sure similar items can. but these could be unique to the crates.

alexos · June 21

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hey folks, just wanted to follow up based on some of the conversation in this thread. We have shared your thoughts and feedback (along with this thread in its entirety) with the team for their knowledge and future consideration when working on future crates. Thanks as always for sharing your feedback with us.

Somehow there is no sign of this... the (no longer) “future” boxes have unnecessary filling material again... they didn't even bother to create thumbnails for the items... even on the live server, the unnecessary (craftable) housing items simply have a placeholder graphic. Not to mention the new “free” mount Polimorph that not only requires the rarest mount from the crates... No, with the help of cross-selling you ALSO need the matching polimorph

LunaFlora · June 21

alexos wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hey folks, just wanted to follow up based on some of the conversation in this thread. We have shared your thoughts and feedback (along with this thread in its entirety) with the team for their knowledge and future consideration when working on future crates. Thanks as always for sharing your feedback with us.

Somehow there is no sign of this... the (no longer) “future” boxes have unnecessary filling material again... they didn't even bother to create thumbnails for the items... even on the live server, the unnecessary (craftable) housing items simply have a placeholder graphic. Not to mention the new “free” mount Polimorph that not only requires the rarest mount from the crates... No, with the help of cross-selling you ALSO need the matching polimorph

the Ancient Nord furnishings are not craftable, their only other source is the Tyrants of the Merethic Era furniture pack.

(edited because i misses the word "furnishings")