Navaac223 wrote: »

You'll lose a bit of dps because you can't light attack at precisely 2.00s everytime, whereas dots like stampede used to proc it, allowing you to get the most of it. Your dps won't suffer too much though.

The nerf mainly affects pvp because it used to allow powerful "cast and forget" dots but pretty much no one is running this set anymore. It was mainly used by meta chasers when master's DW full proc builds were OP. These players are now on magsorc and will probably stay there until someone at zos figures out how to go in cyrodiil

Okay, thank you! I'll keep it then, since there's not very many subtle fire themed sets that work just as well.
And yes, please one of them go into Cryodiil, it's so bad lol.

coop500 wrote: »

I recently farmed for this set for my DK for PVE DPS, but I see it's been changed to only trigger on light and heavy attacks. Does this mean the set is pretty garbage now? or is it fine since it's every 2 seconds, and ideally, I would be weaving in a light attack during that time anyway?

It was garbage anyway... the dps is horrendous.
Way of Fire: 571 base damage / 2 second cooldown = 285.5 base dps
Pillar of Nirn: 3208 total base damage / 10 second cooldown = 320.8 base dps (also has AoE)
Arms of Relequen: 52 dps per stack * 10 stacks = ~520 base dps (at full stacks)
Whorl of The Depths: 5446 total base damage / 18 second cooldown = 302 base dps (also has AoE)

I wish sets like way of fire or unfathomable darkness were balanced to stand up to comparable sets, but they aren't. They're just throwaway sets that ZoS makes to fill a quota, rather than actually providing meaningful alternatives to the meta.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

There is no base damage in ESO and each set scales differently with wd/sd. There's also many variables you haven't accounted for like Way of Fire can crit but Relequen can't.

There is absolutely base damage, everything scales from something. Way of Fire was only competitive in PvP for its passive pressure, and it had already fallen out of the meta even before the nerf. It's nowhere near as strong as Relequen as an active proc. Want another pressure proc for Sorc? Try the very underrated Syvarra's Scales.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

When players refer to base damage in ESO

You can see base values for skills or sets in UESP like this for Twin Slashes.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

There are many scenarios where Way of Fire is stronger than Relequen.

Those are the scenarios they deleted with the nerf.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

My guess is UESP's "base value" is using either a Level 1 or Level 50 character with nothing on it. It misleads players into thinking they can use that value as a way to compare damage.

Those are the hard coded base values before any modifiers, before level, before gear, etc. You can absolutely use them to compare game elements. Relequen obviously has a unique scaling mechanic that makes it much stronger than its base value looks, Way of Fire can obviously give you burn procs, etc, these are not arcane secrets.

Regarding misleading noobs: default death recaps are the worst, they do a lot more harm than good.

Regarding Way of Fire: good night sweet prince.