Pvp is only for DC (blue)

SynySt3r1991 · February 24

For years and years, pvp has always been extra full of DC and this even reminds us that not only pvp is impossible to play and enjoy if you don't dedicate your life to it, but if you do not play in the blue team. You won't be able to do anything for this event unless you dedicate your whole evening to it. When you have to force players to get into a zone for an event. hummm maybe the zone is not that great.

freespirit · February 25

Interestingly I noted to myself just tonight how all the EP Alliances were pop locked on PC-EU and DC was only locked in one campaign.

I presume you are on another server?

SynySt3r1991 · February 25

freespirit wrote: »

Interestingly I noted to myself just tonight how all the EP Alliances were pop locked on PC-EU and DC was only locked in one campaign.

I presume you are on another server?

Yes. PC-NA

SeaGtGruff · February 25

I play for DC on both PC NA and PC EU, in the Gray Host campaign, and I can assure you that DC is often the least-populous faction, with AD and/or EP dominating the map.

There are also times when DC is able to sweep across, and claim, most of the map, but their claim on the map (or large parts of it) is inevitably erased by AD and/or EP.

Much of this depends on what time of day you're playing, because each faction seems to have its own "prime time" when a large number of players of that faction can log in, and then later that faction's numbers will dwindle as players log out.

Sometimes the "prime times" of two or three factions will overlap, and then you can usually find some heated battles to fight in-- especially if all three factions are pop-locked at the same time, in which case there can be some epic three-way battles over certain keeps.

But more often, it seems like one faction will dominate for a time while the other two factions are less-populated, then the numbers will start changing as the dominant faction starts logging off and one of the other factions starts logging in, so the tide changes and the map flips.

If you're finding that your particular faction isn't doing so well against one or both of the other factions whenever you're trying to participate, you might want to try logging in a few hours earlier or later than usual to see if you can figure out when your faction has better numbers.

Or, if it isn't feasible to change your scheduled hours of playtime, you could try adjusting your tactics and focusing on goals that are more achievable despite your faction not having better numbers, such as Fighters Guild bounty missions, quests for the various towns, scouting missions, or missions to capture enemy resources.

SynySt3r1991 · February 25

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I play for DC on both PC NA and PC EU, in the Gray Host campaign, and I can assure you that DC is often the least-populous faction, with AD and/or EP dominating the map.

There are also times when DC is able to sweep across, and claim, most of the map, but their claim on the map (or large parts of it) is inevitably erased by AD and/or EP.

Much of this depends on what time of day you're playing, because each faction seems to have its own "prime time" when a large number of players of that faction can log in, and then later that faction's numbers will dwindle as players log out.

Sometimes the "prime times" of two or three factions will overlap, and then you can usually find some heated battles to fight in-- especially if all three factions are pop-locked at the same time, in which case there can be some epic three-way battles over certain keeps.

But more often, it seems like one faction will dominate for a time while the other two factions are less-populated, then the numbers will start changing as the dominant faction starts logging off and one of the other factions starts logging in, so the tide changes and the map flips.

If you're finding that your particular faction isn't doing so well against one or both of the other factions whenever you're trying to participate, you might want to try logging in a few hours earlier or later than usual to see if you can figure out when your faction has better numbers.

Or, if it isn't feasible to change your scheduled hours of playtime, you could try adjusting your tactics and focusing on goals that are more achievable despite your faction not having better numbers, such as Fighters Guild bounty missions, quests for the various towns, scouting missions, or missions to capture enemy resources.

Even tho your experience is much different than mine, and you aknowledge to play in DC on PC NA, it has always been blue dominant since 2018 until today. The big streamers were blue. All the time in guild I heard about blue even in PVE. Since 2018, I always see more blue in PVP whichever hour I play.

And my post about this current event, which is not fun at all and we are forced to participate to obtain rewards that are not linked with PVP, PVE players are forced to go there.

Now, I did try various schedule to play. Afternoon, evening, night. 3 days in a row the map is all blue. Even now when I type this response. And as I had to stay there for hours to complete my quests for 3 total tickets, they were blue from when I entered until I leave. For hours dominated by blue. The population is at max.

A player in the zone chat said he was going to play DC to be able to do something.

I don't ask myself why cyrodiil is empty when there's no event. And when there's events, it's all blue.

ALso, I play in Greyhost campain.

SeaGtGruff · February 26

Well, you did not mention [edit: in your OP] which campaign(s) you're referring to-- but as I said, the Gray Host campaign most assuredly is NOT blue all of the time. I could post nightly screenshots of the map in the PC NA Gray Host campaign to show it being primarily yellow/AD or red/EP. And if I were a streamer, I could show what it's like to play on the blue/DC side and get ganged up on by both yellow/AD and red/EP at the same time.

This is not intended to minimize or negate your experiences, but rather to assure you that the map fluctuates a lot, on a daily basis, and the players of all three alliances could make the same complaint depending on what time of day or night they're playing. Players of all three alliances tend to feel as though the other two are working together to harrass whichever alliance they happen to play in.

Muizer · February 26

Of course, none of this should be pinned on this or that faction. In fact, doing so is symptom of the underlying problem with the campaign design. A situation with one faction dominating the map should just not be favourable to anyone ever in that faction. There should be massive diminishing returns for any kind of reward obtained by players in the monopolist faction, whichever it is. And players should be incentivized to switch to low population factions to such an extent that no other consideration will prevent the factions from evening out.

And yeah the implications are quite far reaching. Faction loyalty, willing or forced, is actually an obstacle not a boon. It would be much more apt to cast the players in the role of mercenaries fighting for the highest bidder at any given time. That would make it possible to credibly incentivize people switching to low pop faction. They'd also be able to get rid of the campaign scoring, which is just a nuisance, and in fact lore-breaking. Nobody ever wins the war anyway, that's baked into the design of the entire game. This is just an example of the kind of structural change the Cyrodiil campaign needs.

Nathanbreakfast · February 26

SynySt3r1991 wrote: »

For years and years, pvp has always been extra full of DC and this even reminds us that not only pvp is impossible to play and enjoy if you don't dedicate your life to it, but if you do not play in the blue team. You won't be able to do anything for this event unless you dedicate your whole evening to it. When you have to force players to get into a zone for an event. hummm maybe the zone is not that great.

You absolutely do not PVP very often. What prob happened to you is that you jumped into Cyro for an hour and blue was surging. Stick around for another 30 minutes and yellow will own half the map.