Nice post!

I think if they implemented a battleground system that would allow players of similar levels to PVP would fix the non VR issue. With each area having a 10 level difference would be great. 1-10, 11-20, etc. or something similar would let the mass of low players test/play/compete with their characters.

This would also help prevent PVP fans from rushing through the PVE content and to actually soak up the rich content ESO worked so hard on instead of feeling like a race to VR10.

I have said this before and ill say it again. I am not a forum guy but I really believe in ESO and would be sad to see them not reach full potential before its to late. So, Im posting about this.

I feel as if I am on a fence right now just kinda waiting ( I'm sure like most of us).

I have played levels 1-50 right now and my experience has been good. But not to the level of a game like DAOC, that allowed a true mix or PVE and PVP content which I think any MMO worth its weight in gold should have.

SinfulSoul wrote: »

About your concern regarding Shield Bash, that's been addressed in the 1.1.1 patch:

Fixed an issue where bash/interrupt could be used more frequently than intended when it was repeatedly engaged.

Shield Bash has a 3 seconds cooldown now.

Awesome, now to fix Bolt Escape

Lucardes wrote: »

Bolt Escape is fine, what are you complaining about? It's working as intended and I have gotten killed using it. Not broken and plenty ways to counter it.

Such as?

There's a reason why VR players and non-VR players are like they are. One has significant skill above the other and has spent a lot more time (depending on the lvl extent from each other) and are considerably stronger. We already upped the attributes of low lvl players, let's not make v-10 a pointless achievement.

Lucardes wrote: »

SinisterJoint wrote: »

SinfulSoul wrote: »

About your concern regarding Shield Bash, that's been addressed in the 1.1.1 patch:

Fixed an issue where bash/interrupt could be used more frequently than intended when it was repeatedly engaged.

Shield Bash has a 3 seconds cooldown now.

Awesome, now to fix Bolt Escape

Bolt Escape is fine, what are you complaining about? It's working as intended and I have gotten killed using it. Not broken and plenty ways to counter it.

NO, bolt escape is not fine. Just because you like how it is now doesn't mean its balanced. It's far from it.

The point is to be able to escape from an enemy with this skill, not outrun horses and travel across the map with it. It needs its mana cost increased. Or would you rather have a cooldown? My vote is increased cost so that instead of someone being able to use it 7 times in a row then 5sec downtime with dark exchange and 7 times more.. they are using it 3. Which is PLENTY OF SPACE BETWEEN YOU AND THE PLAYER.

So tired of your posts Lucardes, first you defend the bat swarm exploit , now you defend this. You are pretty much the epitome of unbalanced pvp.

If you don't have a clue how balanced pvp is or have any ideas to contribute then please don't post.

mcatchlovb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't call Bolt Escape a broken PVP mechanic. It is a spell that Sorc's can use to escape but it doesn't really affect PVP that much. If it helped Sorc's kill people then maybe it would but it doesn't.

I never said it was broken but it needs a balancing pass (i.e. fix) Sorcs should not be outrunning horses, and they do.

First of all, I call some of your points bs. If oceanic guilds do not take back keeps and other parts of the map, what have you to do in the map? Collect skyshards and pve in cyrodil? Be thankful you got all time coverage. When there are no action at all then you will say no action is annoying.

Secondly, the disparity on top of being vr10 and a non vr would also include gear differences. Many failed to factor in this factor where the high vrs actually spend time and effort to upgrade their gear and the sub vrs thinks it is a god given right for them to own high vrs in good gear despite them wearing greens. Want to be strong? Do some leveling and upgrading. If you want everything to be the same with least or no effort at all, go GW2. Zos don't introduce crafting and legendary materials for nothing. Dont blame the high VRs if they spend time and effort on their characters.

Also ZOS already did warn that even if they bolster your level up, gear will make a difference. If you expect to win in vr1 greens or blues, no point having vr10 gear, tempering alloys, dreugh wax or rosins. Also there are vr 5 food that boosts your stats.

If you think vr10 is not an astounding achievement then do not whine about gap between vrs and non vrs. Blame yourself for lack of effort.

Frenzypanda wrote: »

First of all, I call some of your points bs. If oceanic guilds do not take back keeps and other parts of the map, what have you to do in the map? Collect skyshards and pve in cyrodil? Be thankful you got all time coverage. When there are no action at all then you will say no action is annoying.

If you think vr10 is not an astounding achievement then do not whine about gap between vrs and non vrs. Blame yourself for lack of effort.

Clearly you read nothing in regards to the gap between non vr and vr players? I am a vr player so your "whining" point (if its even that) is moot. The point is to say that the gap between a non vr and vr players is still too big imo. Don't you like challenge? Or are you one of those "entitled" folk? And no, vr10 is not an astounding achievement, it takes 0 effort to get to vr10... just time (and exploits which probably about half the vr10's in game used). Also, it takes 0 effort to upgrade your gear, stop acting like it's some grand feat to make a piece of gear yellow, because its not. o.O

In regards to the oceanic guilds, quite frankly, you're wrong. We have plenty of battles, pushbacks, and keep wars to keep some campaigns very busy. It doesn't take an oceanic guild facing 0 resistance to accomplish this.

Honestly I really don't blame oceanic guilds at all. I blame campaign populations (which kinda rests on both the players and zos' shoulders) If zos put (oceanic) next to a campaign name I'm willing to bet that most of these players would go to it because lets face it, they came here to pvp. Those that enjoy easy play and ganking would probably still stay on servers not their own timezone sure, but the fact remains that it don't take an oceanic guild facing 0 resistance to pushback keeps. That viewpoint is pretty silly on your part (and quite ignorant I might add).

The point to having these campaigns is to pvp, playing in a campaign with other people from your timezone allows this. I think you're just upset that the cashcow of ap is being brought up and discussed in a way that would dissolve it.

Avidus wrote: »

I do not believe the oceanic guild problem is the problem you believe it to be.
I think that issue would be fixed to have an increased amount of oceanic resistance.

Its not out fault we live in the middle of nowhere!
Id would merge this with the population distribution issue.

Oh I agree 100000%. It really must suck to not have any pvp resistance when you're playing. (this was not a cheap shot, just poor wording lol) That is 90% of the fun!!!! Since I have you here though, would you like a campaign designated to oceanic? Honest opinion.

There are deeper issues than these.
The faction system is flawed. Population balancing is obviously one problem caused by it. But much more insidious is the problem with collusion. You are forced to play with people on your own faction that are trying to lose, and there is nothing you can do about it. Many players don't even know this is going on; but wise up folks, there are guilds our there that play all factions. People on your own side will lead you into traps, or will agro all the mobs onto you, or take all the siege spots, or mess with the scrolls, and will communicate with their friends on the other team and tell you exactly what your team is up to. And there is nothing you can do about it, ever.

So, what most players will experience then is continual failure. They may not know why they fail. But it doesn't matter because when they fail all the time, they lose interest and quit. Then, the game is a ghost town made up of botters, farmers, and cheaters. And that is where we are headed.

I don't think it can even be fixed without a total redesign.

Avidus wrote: »

I do not believe the oceanic guild problem is the problem you believe it to be.
I think that issue would be fixed to have an increased amount of oceanic resistance.

Its not out fault we live in the middle of nowhere!
Id would merge this with the population distribution issue.

Frenzypanda wrote: »

Wow 0 effort to upgrade gear to yellow, I applaud you for that. Do a survey on the veteran players out there and tell me how many veteran players take 0 effort to upgrade gear to yellow and how many veteran players use 0 effort to level to VR10. You are contradicting youself and I am not an "entitled folk" as you mentioned. I did feel that upgrading my gear requires effort and thats my opinion. I feel that your point is simply biased because what is easy for you might not apply to others. Oh btw you mentioning being a vr player might mean you could be anywhere between vr1 to vr10 so if you are vr 1, yeah my argument aint moot. I dont know how you could take 0 effort. Maybe you can share your secret probably due to the "exploit" you mentioned. Because the last I checked, upgrades cost gold to buy and you have to earn gold to buy(that means effort) unless you are telling ne uogrades appeared out of nowhere.

If you could not read properly, i said one of the factor between the VR and non VR is gear. How are you going to close that gap? Giving all low VRs free yellow gear?

With regard to oceanic players facing 0 resistance, why dont you play in wabbajack in gmt+8 timezone before ranting about untrue facts. Then we can talk about who is the ignorant one

Moreover what you said currently contradicts your initial post. So whats the issue with oceanic guilds or population? Them taking the keeps so you cannot keep your emperorship? You mentioned zero resistance? Which campaign are you in? You entitled to own the whole map when you log in? Probably be more specific because I could not understand your point.

Cheers

So its hard to grind quests? Is that what you are telling me? It takes so much effort to do this? You are also telling me its hard to farm mats for crafting and upgrading? Again, this also takes lots of effort? Considering that hirelings send legendary mats (yes pumpkin I know they don't send them every time). Upgrades don't cost a dime if you know how to wander the open and gather some mats, and were smart enough to learn the craft of your gear/weapons of choice. They are free, cost nothing, no gold needed, zero, zilch, nada! It just takes time, not effort.Nothing in this game is hard albeit vet dungeons when you try to go in underleveled.


Why are you so stuck on the gear gap? Where in my OP did I say that non vr gear gap needs to be closed? I didn't, you assumed. Again also if you read, I'm looking for suggestions on ways to make the system better. I do like the phasing suggestion for non vr players. That idea is pretty sound IMO, not that you care. You seem so hell bent on "IM VR10 I DESERVE TO SPANK NOOBIES AMIRIGHT!!!" Get over yourself and your VR (btw im VR7, I spank vr10's all day long) so yes, your point is VERY VERY moot...

Oh ok, I didn't know all of PVP happened on wabbajack. My bad, I coulda swore there were other campaigns. I must have been mistaken..

Wabbajack is my home campaign so I know what that one is like. Its unbalanced as far as population goes but as far as oceanic, you are right. Their presence is barely felt. Alas, there are more campaigns then wabba, you do know this right? You should try guesting in some!! Then maybe you will see what I am saying, or is that asking too much of someone asking for true facts?

So my point because you just don't seem to get it, is that If we had a campaign dedicated to Oceanic players (at least labeled) that maybe they would actually get to pvp and not dominate other maps while everyone is sleeping. It's nothing about wanting the whole map, its about balance, which you have proven time and time again that you really know nor care about. Just quit while you are ahead will ya?? Go back to spanking them lvl10's and feeling accomplished lol

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So its hard to grind quests? Is that what you are telling me? It takes so much effort to do this? You are also telling me its hard to farm mats for crafting and upgrading? Again, this also takes lots of effort? Considering that hirelings send legendary mats (yes pumpkin I know they don't send them every time). Upgrades don't cost a dime if you know how to wander the open and gather some mats, and were smart enough to learn the craft of your gear/weapons of choice. They are free, cost nothing, no gold needed, zero, zilch, nada! It just takes time, not effort.Nothing in this game is hard albeit vet dungeons when you try to go in underleveled.


Why are you so stuck on the gear gap? Where in my OP did I say that non vr gear gap needs to be closed? I didn't, you assumed. Again also if you read, I'm looking for suggestions on ways to make the system better. I do like the phasing suggestion for non vr players. That idea is pretty sound IMO, not that you care. You seem so hell bent on "IM VR10 I DESERVE TO SPANK NOOBIES AMIRIGHT!!!" Get over yourself and your VR (btw im VR7, I spank vr10's all day long) so yes, your point is VERY VERY moot...

Oh ok, I didn't know all of PVP happened on wabbajack. My bad, I coulda swore there were other campaigns. I must have been mistaken..

Wabbajack is my home campaign so I know what that one is like. Its unbalanced as far as population goes but as far as oceanic, you are right. Their presence is barely felt. Alas, there are more campaigns then wabba, you do know this right? You should try guesting in some!! Then maybe you will see what I am saying, or is that asking too much of someone asking for true facts?

So my point because you just don't seem to get it, is that If we had a campaign dedicated to Oceanic players (at least labeled) that maybe they would actually get to pvp and not dominate other maps while everyone is sleeping. It's nothing about wanting the whole map, its about balance, which you have proven time and time again that you really know nor care about. Just quit while you are ahead will ya?? Go back to spanking them lvl10's and feeling accomplished lol[/quote]

There you go. VR7 and talking about takes no effort to be VR10. Grinding quests takes 0 effort? Isnt that classic? So are you decked out in yellow gear yet? Mr take 0 effort? Apologies if I have hurt your little ego. You dont seem to understand that you dont have to split VR gap and VR gear gap. They are interlinked. The so called "GAP" you mentioned which you claimed sets the VRs and non VRs apart dont include gear and VR10 only win because of their levels? This is great. Yea sure you spank VR10 all day. Ill give you that since you self pro claimed it. So the gap between vr7 and vr10 is minimal then?

Another point will be if you are level 10? You get spanked in pvp, whats wrong? You should see it coming. Oh no! Lvl 10 should totally own a VR10 or else the gap is too huge. I like that especially you say you lost even when you outplayed them. If you lose, you lose. Dont find excuses.

So now your home server is wabbajack? Which server you talking about guesting to? If you are in wabbajack you need to guest to another server? Read your original post then come and try to reinforce your weak argument about oceanic populations. All oceanic shld be in the same oceanic server because every morning you have to start in the hole when you log in in the morning?

My opinion is you are just finding excuses to justify your lack of proper facts and statistics rather than having a constructive suggestion. Ill end my post before this post becomes a flame thread.

Ps: you should be the one quiting since you are finding fault out of nothing.

Bane_of_Fringe wrote: »

There's a reason why VR players and non-VR players are like they are. One has significant skill above the other and has spent a lot more time (depending on the lvl extent from each other) and are considerably stronger. We already upped the attributes of low lvl players, let's not make v-10 a pointless achievement.

Sure, because we all know the Non-VR players once becoming VR players magically acquire 'skill'.

Hmmm either in less than a month they make announcements in the direccion of the people wants, or probably will be really dead, by now all low levels can do in pvp es zergling, and they encourage it with aoe caps...

1: The gap between vr and low nedd to be smaller (nor dissapear nor 1 shot right now, cmon, at least 4 or 5 low cant kill a vr now, that its a ***.

2: The big zerg need to be avoided, or remove the aoe cap or implement a different solution.

3: And the last but not less important, FIX THE SKILLS, too much bugs yet in it...

(my english suck a little i know, sorry)

Thechemicals wrote: »

Game has been out for over a month now, if you been here since release and are still running around under level 45 in Cyrodiil then you need to accept the fact that you are an insect to be crushed by the boot of a Veteran. If you have special reasons why you are still low level, too bad.The game has an end level and when you get there, you enjoy the rewards.

I had actually thought after following ESO for all the years and it finally going live, that the community might be awesome. I was wrong.

I just realized that It's not the bugs or the unbalanced PvP, because those things can be fixed, but its a large segment of the community that's driving me away.

Maybe Zos and Bethesda might wanna get a handle on that before I decide I'm playing after June 3rd.

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Lucardes wrote: »

Hey guys... game is dead, why bother talking about how the game can get better? ZOS doesn't care lol

You keep saying you're leaving for close to 2 weeks, yet you're still here...

He didnt cancel his sub. I forgot to pay my sub and was not allowed to post on the forums...so yeah...