pvp: sheer venom cooldown per target is 6s and all from 36m away stealing kb

silky_soft · December 2024

What can you say, it's a double execute.

Not only do you not need to actually do any damage in the execute range, you can spam it all over the map per target no worries and the damage scaling starts from 100%.
Poison injection lasts 20s and you get free 8m range bonus from battlespirit.
It also has 2 wpn dmg stats on it while scaling by wpn dmg, which is another whole other thing that procs shouldn't get any bonus to thier scaling via the same set.

Slap on some poisons and slot balorg, way of fire and you can walk around spamming poison arrows taking as many kb with 0 effort as you want.

Either push it out to 10s cooldown like other sets or remove per target and make it 6s cooldown for the whole set.

This set is like being a sorc with endless fury. But more annoying because you need less skills to score kills.

Stop the steal.

BahometZ · December 2024

"It also has 2 wpn dmg stats on it while scaling by wpn dmg, which is another whole other thing that procs shouldn't get any bonus to thier scaling via the same set."

C'mon guy.

silky_soft · December 2024

That's for discussion i

BahometZ wrote: »

"It also has 2 wpn dmg stats on it while scaling by wpn dmg, which is another whole other thing that procs shouldn't get any bonus to thier scaling via the same set."

C'mon guy.

Would you like to elaborate on how procs are pushing the damage ceiling more then they are raising the skill floor?

bladenick · December 2024

This with way of fire get ton of dot damage,

The positive side, Ganker NB is more difficult to manage 2 offense set now day

AkashaVow · February 9

You cant "stop tye steal".
Want to remove mages wrath? Templar beam? Bloodthirsty? Any nb skill? Some classes/builds dont have a built in execute.... what about their kills? Someone is undoubtedly stealing them, right? Not trying tp be a jerk, but think about it. What do killing blows even matter? Pvp is a team sport. I think removing kill counts on the scoreboard would make more sense than trying to eliminate kill steals. Either way, changing sheer venom isnt going to do it. If you try to look good by grabbing kb's, then thats just the type of player
they are, and as theres always another overtuned, broken, cheesey option that everyone will jump on. its just the price we need to pay for such a diverse ranfe of sets, skills, cp, and class. We have thefreedom to build weird, crazy builds and slap each other with them. Changing your focus is the only solution to getting upset over someone stealing your kill. Thats my take, and how i play. Im using way of fire and sheer venom (4v4) or pb (8's) on a warden right now, and having a lot of fun with it.

silky_soft · February 10

Overland Sets
Way of Fire: This set now only activates off Light and Heavy Attacks, rather than any weapon attack.

Urzigurumash · February 10

Well said @AkashaVow . A few other defenses of this set in particular:

- Status Effect buffs still elevating Ranged Mag
- Bow is least popular offensive weapon
- More skill options for Ranged Mag vs Stam
- Most proc sets are underpowered in PvP

Urzigurumash · February 10

And I should say of those things only 4 needs a remedy, in my opinion, and I made a poll about it a while back:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/622887/conditional-damage-procs-deserve-more-aggressive-scaling

silky_soft · February 10

Ranged mag being nerfed for the cyro test. It won't have the free range attached to it from battlespirit and reach. They'll actually have to risk something.

Only player actions should initiate procs. Heal, defence, sprint, Dodge, block, breakfree, whatever. It should only be player actions. Not sticky dots you can throw on multiple targets.

Urzigurumash · February 10

This trial has been adjudicated and the judgment was Proc Scaling. Point taken about the cooldown difference between this and similar sets though, that's a good point and something to consider in Scaling.

My take is to buff the Scaling of the unused Bow-friendly procs, especially ones with difficult conditions like Vicecannon's Venom or Phylactery's Grasp, to be much stronger than Sheer Venom.

Rather than to reduce Bow's most viable proc set to less potency than numerous stats set on a killstealing RangePlar / mSorc. Point taken about next patch, no comment there. Every once in a while the stars align and we get a Bow meta.

Nathanbreakfast · February 10

AkashaVow wrote: »

Im using way of fire and sheer venom (4v4) or pb (8's) on a warden right now, and having a lot of fun with it.

The amount of damage this setup pumps out for pressing one button is ridiculous and should absolutely be nerfed. I don't use addons to track what the uptime on Sheer Venom is but without exaggerating I believe it's applied to me at least 50% of the time during a BG match. Most times this is applied by a user to just runs in circles and refuses or is incapable of actually fighting. Yesterday I had three guys applying this junk to me while running in circles. These people don't even want to PVP they just want to see damage numbers fly like they're parsing on a target dummy. PVE behavior, get rid of it.

xylena_lazarow · February 10

Vengeance aside, BGs still has to deal with a lot of ranged cheese spam, so I'm in favor of nerfing proc sets that support ranged cheese playstyles. Sheer Venom should probably be given the Savage Werewolf treatment and only proc in melee range, it's fine attached to Reverse Slice or Whirling Blades, but idiotic when spammed from a bow.

Rushing Agony is a far bigger problem and should be the priority to deal with first.

Teeba_Shei · February 10

It works exactly the way the tooltip describes. If you deal damage with an execute ability it applies the dot. Poison injection and executioner are execute abilities. What are you not understanding about the set?

silky_soft · February 10

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Vengeance aside, BGs still has to deal with a lot of ranged cheese spam, so I'm in favor of nerfing proc sets that support ranged cheese playstyles. Sheer Venom should probably be given the Savage Werewolf treatment and only proc in melee range, it's fine attached to Reverse Slice or Whirling Blades, but idiotic when spammed from a bow.

Rushing Agony is a far bigger problem and should be the priority to deal with first.

Why not deal with all of it at once? Isn't that what internal testing and the pts is for?

They are going to test pvp on live again. Test on Live. Why not test changes to sets that may not make it to live on the pts first?