Elemental Catalyst tweaks

madmufffin · January 26

Since we're going back and making it so that resource lines are being removed from older sets, can we get rid of the double mag line on EC? Mag cro is already dead courtesy of the horrific change to stalking blastbones, so we may as well update the set that's pretty much exclusively used by necros to coincide with the class's new functionality. Weapon damage or crit lines would be great, but even stam would be much better at this point.

Soarora · January 26

Weapon/spell damage would be nice, would benefit the few times tanks still use it.

sans-culottes · January 26

madmufffin wrote: »

Since we're going back and making it so that resource lines are being removed from older sets, can we get rid of the double mag line on EC? Mag cro is already dead courtesy of the horrific change to stalking blastbones, so we may as well update the set that's pretty much exclusively used by necros to coincide with the class's new functionality. Weapon damage or crit lines would be great, but even stam would be much better at this point.

The last thing necromancers need is to be tied to this goofy elementalist theme.

Reginald_leBlem · January 26

HEAR ME OUT since we have leaned into the whole hybradized theme, keep the double mag but add stam to it! 1096 maximum magicka AND 1096 maximum stam. Why not?

C_Inside · January 26

madmufffin wrote: »

Mag cro is already dead courtesy of the horrific change to stalking blastbones

Do people still not understand that it doesn't matter what your max resource is? It doesn't matter if you're maxing mag or stam, you always use Blighted Blastbones. It didn't matter if you were maxing mag or stam before, you always picked Stalking. It doesn't matter if you're maxing mag or stam, you always pick the skills that do the most damage.

The only difference between running max mag or max stam is what resource you want Necrotic Orb's synergy to restore. Hybridization killed any sort of difference between "mag" and "stam" specs. There is no "stamcro" or "magcro" anymore. There's just "cro". You use the exact same skills in both setups.

Soarora · January 26

C_Inside wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Mag cro is already dead courtesy of the horrific change to stalking blastbones

Do people still not understand that it doesn't matter what your max resource is? It doesn't matter if you're maxing mag or stam, you always use Blighted Blastbones. It didn't matter if you were maxing mag or stam before, you always picked Stalking. It doesn't matter if you're maxing mag or stam, you always pick the skills that do the most damage.

The only difference between running max mag or max stam is what resource you want Necrotic Orb's synergy to restore. Hybridization killed any sort of difference between "mag" and "stam" specs. There is no "stamcro" or "magcro" anymore. There's just "cro". You use the exact same skills in both setups.

Blastbones is a semi-spammable. You cannot have a spammable with the opposite cost of your spec or you won’t sustain. It’s not about the damage scaling.

festegios · January 26

C_Inside wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Mag cro is already dead courtesy of the horrific change to stalking blastbones

Do people still not understand that it doesn't matter what your max resource is? It doesn't matter if you're maxing mag or stam, you always use Blighted Blastbones. It didn't matter if you were maxing mag or stam before, you always picked Stalking. It doesn't matter if you're maxing mag or stam, you always pick the skills that do the most damage.

The only difference between running max mag or max stam is what resource you want Necrotic Orb's synergy to restore. Hybridization killed any sort of difference between "mag" and "stam" specs. There is no "stamcro" or "magcro" anymore. There's just "cro". You use the exact same skills in both setups.

Eh?

If your stacked into stam. But using ec, those mag lines are useless as they don’t increase your stam.

C_Inside · January 26

Soarora wrote: »

Blastbones is a semi-spammable. You cannot have a spammable with the opposite cost of your spec or you won’t sustain. It’s not about the damage scaling.

Except you totally can. If you're running out of resources then the way to handle it is either to run sustain food or to run more DOTs of the opposite resource that you're running out of. If you're maxing mag on a necro and running out of stamina then just run sustain food or more mag DOTs. The opposite can also be done. If you're maxing mag, running mag DOTs and a mag spammable, and running out of mag, then you can switch to a stam spammable and put on a few more stam DOTs to help with mag sustain.

Which resource you max in these cases doesn't matter. Your damage will be the same.

festegios wrote: »

If your stacked into stam. But using ec, those mag lines are useless as they don’t increase your stam.

My previous statement was regarding skill and morph choices. Not sets. If a set you're running has a max resource line then yes, you should max that resource. But again, if I'm running EC and maxing mag then there's nothing stopping me from using Blighted Blastbones, Stampede, Carve, Skeleton Archer, and Caltrops. My damage output won't magically drop because I decided to use stamina skills instead of magica ones like it used to do before hybridization.

Because of this my previous statement that "stamcro" and "magcro" don't exist is still true. if I'm not running sets that give max resources then the only reason to max mag instead of stam is if I want Necro Orb's synergy to restore mag, and vice versa.

Athometodd · January 26

C_Inside wrote: »

Which resource you max in these cases doesn't matter. Your damage will be the same.

Are you aware that your max resource value contributes to your total weapon/spell damage total using a 10.5 to 1 conversion factor? That means having resource lines that don't match the resource you are stacking into (versuse having lines that do match) is a damage loss, which is what the original post was getting at.

festegios · January 27

C_Inside wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Blastbones is a semi-spammable. You cannot have a spammable with the opposite cost of your spec or you won’t sustain. It’s not about the damage scaling.

Except you totally can. If you're running out of resources then the way to handle it is either to run sustain food or to run more DOTs of the opposite resource that you're running out of. If you're maxing mag on a necro and running out of stamina then just run sustain food or more mag DOTs. The opposite can also be done. If you're maxing mag, running mag DOTs and a mag spammable, and running out of mag, then you can switch to a stam spammable and put on a few more stam DOTs to help with mag sustain.

Which resource you max in these cases doesn't matter. Your damage will be the same.

festegios wrote: »

If your stacked into stam. But using ec, those mag lines are useless as they don’t increase your stam.

My previous statement was regarding skill and morph choices. Not sets. If a set you're running has a max resource line then yes, you should max that resource. But again, if I'm running EC and maxing mag then there's nothing stopping me from using Blighted Blastbones, Stampede, Carve, Skeleton Archer, and Caltrops. My damage output won't magically drop because I decided to use stamina skills instead of magica ones like it used to do before hybridization.

Because of this my previous statement that "stamcro" and "magcro" don't exist is still true. if I'm not running sets that give max resources then the only reason to max mag instead of stam is if I want Necro Orb's synergy to restore mag, and vice versa.

I’m not seeing your point…. The whole post is about the fact that the ec set has the mag lines….

sarahthes · January 27

festegios wrote: »

C_Inside wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Blastbones is a semi-spammable. You cannot have a spammable with the opposite cost of your spec or you won’t sustain. It’s not about the damage scaling.

Except you totally can. If you're running out of resources then the way to handle it is either to run sustain food or to run more DOTs of the opposite resource that you're running out of. If you're maxing mag on a necro and running out of stamina then just run sustain food or more mag DOTs. The opposite can also be done. If you're maxing mag, running mag DOTs and a mag spammable, and running out of mag, then you can switch to a stam spammable and put on a few more stam DOTs to help with mag sustain.

Which resource you max in these cases doesn't matter. Your damage will be the same.

festegios wrote: »

If your stacked into stam. But using ec, those mag lines are useless as they don’t increase your stam.

My previous statement was regarding skill and morph choices. Not sets. If a set you're running has a max resource line then yes, you should max that resource. But again, if I'm running EC and maxing mag then there's nothing stopping me from using Blighted Blastbones, Stampede, Carve, Skeleton Archer, and Caltrops. My damage output won't magically drop because I decided to use stamina skills instead of magica ones like it used to do before hybridization.

Because of this my previous statement that "stamcro" and "magcro" don't exist is still true. if I'm not running sets that give max resources then the only reason to max mag instead of stam is if I want Necro Orb's synergy to restore mag, and vice versa.

I’m not seeing your point…. The whole post is about the fact that the ec set has the mag lines….

EC cros are stamcros.

sans-culottes · January 27

Ah, the necromancer. The fantasy archetype known for its mastery of the elements.

sarahthes · January 27

rrbreezy wrote: »

Ah, the necromancer. The fantasy archetype known for its mastery of the elements.

LOL

EC went to them because boneyard does frost damage and one morph of siphon does shocking damage, and inferno backbar was standard at one point for all classes. So they could run it without having to run weird skills.

Of course now they use scribing for lightning and scalding rune for flame, but at this point it's just habit to run it on the cro (plus they bring major vuln).

madmufffin · January 27

rrbreezy wrote: »

Ah, the necromancer. The fantasy archetype known for its mastery of the elements.

It was the only class that had two of the elemental damage types on it's normal kit and now comps are just built to include it as such. Contingency and sould burst won't change that.

sans-culottes · January 28

Whoosh.

PS. Thinking you both missed some (presumably quite obvious) sarcasm. To be clear, the idea that necromancers should be the class dealing in the elements is asinine.