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Would you still subscribe to ESO+ if the Craft Bag was base game?
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whitecrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherOnly for a month at a time when there is a subscriber freebie that I want, such as Zenith-var.
The only reason I need more carrying space is because of the materials, so that takes care of that.
Since the outfit system was implemented I rarely wear costumes.2 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OtherAnduinTryggva wrote: »Dunno.
Will however not happen I guess as the infinite bag requires more data storage and someone has to pay for it.
If that was a concern they wouldn't include the craft bag in free trials of ESO+. When the trial ends any items in there stay, until you remove them or use them, so they're already storing the data for everyone who has done a trial, as well as anyone who used to have ESO+ and cancelled it.Wonder how many of you have played when it was sub only and no craft bag or sub benefits.
We made it work in '14, you can make it work now.
I didn't play in 2014, because the subscription was required. I played the beta and thought the game was ok, but not worth paying monthly for. I kept checking back waiting for something which would convince me it was worth it, and instead they announced they were switching to buy-to-play, and I bought the game that day.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"0 -
Sakiri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesI don't get people that refuse to play a game with a subscription.
I've scraped by on less than 700 a month and still did one to a game here and there.
Guess I'll never understand it.1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI don't get people that refuse to play a game with a subscription.
I've scraped by on less than 700 a month and still did one to a game here and there.
Guess I'll never understand it.
I'm afraid that the introduction of the term "Free to Play" led to a sense of entitlement in some players, while there are always going to be genuine cases of those who cannot afford to pay on a fixed monthly basis. Some players also prefer a cash shop model where they can pick and choose which bits of the game they want to pay for.
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Taril✭✭✭✭✭YesI don't get people that refuse to play a game with a subscription.
I've scraped by on less than 700 a month and still did one to a game here and there.
Guess I'll never understand it.
There's a lot of reasons why someone might be averse to subscriptions.
Some that I've heard are things like;
- Not wanting to pay for a game they've already paid for (Notably because many subscription games still have the initial purchase as well as DLC/Expansions that have to be purchased)
- The overall cost of such a game (You play a game long enough and you're racking up $1000's just for that game... Meanwhile think of the amount of complete games you could have instead purchased with all that money over that time)
- Subscriptions add a pressure to play. Whereby you feel you have to play at least X hours per month to justify the money you're sinking into the game.
- The cost of the subsctiption relative to their disposable income. Siphoning away what can be non-trivial amounts of someone's paycheck isn't always possible for folks (Keep in mind, cost of living varies depending on location and the household - There may be dependants to factor in like children or pets).
- The value of a subscription's price might not be there. Which can be especially true when many subscription based games are full of time wasting bloat designed to artificially stretch out how long it takes to complete tasks to maximize time spent playing the game which isn't worth the overall cost (It's why I stopped playing FFXIV for example. Why would I pay a monthly subscription when the game is only relevant for about 1 week every 3 months when the new story content drops? While the rest of the time it's just grind boring time wasting content)
Many of these same points also crop up in relation to modern "Live Service" games too, which are the evolution of subscriptions whereby mandatory subs are replaced by optional Battle Passes and egregiously priced "Micro"transactions (Which incidentally, the few remaining subscription games have also incorporated. Games like WoW, ESO, FFXIV, Runescape all have their overpriced cash shops in addition to their subscription services)3 -
SkaiFaith✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI don't get people that refuse to play a game with a subscription.
I've scraped by on less than 700 a month and still did one to a game here and there.
Guess I'll never understand it.
Ever known someone who asks you for money for food while smoking a cigarette?
I'm with you, but everyone has a different perspective and we often can't understand each other, nothing new XDA: "We, as humans, should respect and take care of each other like in a Co-op, not a PvP 🌸"
B: "Too many words. Words bad. Won't read. ⚔️"0 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesBut I'd heavily advise against making the craft-bag base-kit.
Convenience sells.
I'll splurge on Warframe now and then because I don't want to grind for some things and will be content with paying for the grinding of others.
ESO's economy on the otherhand is an entirely different beast. To their detriment, IMO.0 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesAnduinTryggva wrote: »Dunno.
Will however not happen I guess as the infinite bag requires more data storage and someone has to pay for it.
If that was a concern they wouldn't include the craft bag in free trials of ESO+. When the trial ends any items in there stay, until you remove them or use them, so they're already storing the data for everyone who has done a trial, as well as anyone who used to have ESO+ and cancelled it.Wonder how many of you have played when it was sub only and no craft bag or sub benefits.
We made it work in '14, you can make it work now.
I didn't play in 2014, because the subscription was required. I played the beta and thought the game was ok, but not worth paying monthly for. I kept checking back waiting for something which would convince me it was worth it, and instead they announced they were switching to buy-to-play, and I bought the game that day.
They likely include the Craft-bag since short-term it's likely easier to not change anything about an ESO+ subscription (even if it's free).0 -
DoofusMax✭✭✭OtherI maintain my sub mostly for the craft bag and somewhat for the doubled bank space. Content access is off the table by this point as I mostly started from a Collection and used my subscription crowns to buy the rest, making the sub more of a "rent to own" setup in my view. But I log into the other server every once in a great while and make use of the sub's content access on those occasions. The rest of the sub perks are more a "whatever" than they are deal-makers, although I should probably check the item count in the Coldharbour Warehouse before firmly committing to that position.
To the question asked, though, adding the craft bag to the base-game would substantially lessen the subscription's immediate utility. I don't know that I'd cancel my sub if the craft bag came from another source, but the idea would have some serious weight.I'm fresh out of outrage, but I could muster up some amused annoyance if required.0 -
Sakiri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesI don't get people that refuse to play a game with a subscription.
I've scraped by on less than 700 a month and still did one to a game here and there.
Guess I'll never understand it.
Ever known someone who asks you for money for food while smoking a cigarette?
I'm with you, but everyone has a different perspective and we often can't understand each other, nothing new XD
I have, however, I know they're not usually going to spend the money on food.
I've purchased them food. I'm often refused.3 -
freespirit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesWonder how many of you have played when it was sub only and no craft bag or sub benefits.
We made it work in '14, you can make it work now.
I played right from my first Beta weekend until now, I have always been subbed/ESO+.
Although we had no craft bag, there were way less materials and no furniture.....
Now I have a craft bag and way, way too many "garages"!When people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!2 -
SaffronCitrusflower✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The craft bag is not needed. Not even if you play daily for hours.
Up until U35 I subbed for 8 straight years. Now, looking back, I'm wondering why.2 -
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✭✭✭✭YesThe crafting bag is a main draw, but the double bank space and double housing slots are also essential for me.
I own all the zone DLCs but not the dungeon ones. I don’t run them much anymore but I still appreciate being able to if I need to and that is part of eso+ as well.
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WhiteCoatSyndrome✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Wonder how many of you have played when it was sub only and no craft bag or sub benefits.
*raises hand* I did! I stopped subbing consistently after they decided to include Crown Crates in their monetization.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoOfc not, lol
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- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
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Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The question is the overall value. My main reasons for subcribing were dlc access, crowns and craft bag (with some aspects also being nice, like double bank and double furnishing limit). Let's say the value, for me, has already decreased a lot over the last few years.@Syldras | PC | EU
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XSTRONG✭✭✭✭✭NoNo the ONLY reason I still have Eso+ is the craftbag.
I have several DLC so I would just buy the ones I dont have and be done.
And I would be fine with less housing slots because im not a housing person I only built 1 house and thats my guildhouse.
I dont care for the free items or discounts in Crownstore at all.
I have so much useless stuff in my Bank so I would be good without the extra storage space especially since there are not really any new farmable stuff in game to hold on to in Bank/storage chests/characters1 -
Arunei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes
One can ignore discussions one finds annoying or tiring, and is not forced to click on a thread that does not appeal to them.Very tired of these craft bag discussions …Edited by Arunei on 25 December 2024 17:22Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
Krisiel: Redguard Stamsorc DPS - Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Khajiit Stamblade DPS - Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things, nicknamed Tinykat
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Tevril Rallenar: Dunmer Stamcro DPS - Delthor's "special" younger brother who raises small animals as friends
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✭✭✭OtherIt would depend on if I want to subscribe.
Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
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ghastley✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesThis should really be a three-way choice, plus other. The three options being craft bag as base, i.e. everyone gets it, current state, and craft bag only as a lower tier of subscription. That would help separate the two questions of whether the craft bag is considered essential, and whether the rest of ESO+ is worth subbing for. You can't create a poll with two independent questions, or that would be even better.0 -
TheImperfect✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesDouble furniture and bank are worth it alone for me but I do love the craft bag and can't play without it.2 -
doabhi✭✭✭NoNo, Craft bag is one of the few things keeping me tied to a sub right now, but even recent changes like the AI Moderation is seriously testing my loyalty. I Give ZOS money to pay staff to steward the game, not some snake oil from a tech-bro salesman.
I'm not among those who are unsubscribing in protest at the change in cadence, I think the game needs a lot of TLC and if refocusing completely and dropping yearly DLC is what is needed to give the developers the breathing space to do that then so be it. Stop getting angry over news articles and learn to adapt to change.
Edited by doabhi on 28 December 2024 00:400
